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NASB | Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations [help the people to learn of Me, believe in Me, and obey My words], baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, |
Subject: Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit? |
Bible Note: The Trinitarian Doctrine does not assert three Gods. One more time: 1. ONE God 2. THREE persons: Father, Son, Spirit 3. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Spirit is God 4. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father. I agree with every passage you put forth which illustrates the deity of Christ. No Trinitarian argues this. It is our understanding of point 2 on which we disagree. In addition, oneness/"Jesus only"/modalism denies point 4. You cited John 1:1. How can the Word (Jesus) simultaneously be "with God" and BE "God" in a non-Trinitarian understanding? John 14:9: Jesus *said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" Taken out of its context above, the verse could support a oneness theology. However, Jesus says throughout the chapter that he and the Father are distinct. They should believe in God and "also in him." (v. 1). Is he being redundant? He refers to the Father in the third person (v. 2). Is he suffering from multiple personalities? In verse 10 he very specifically says that he is not talking about himself, but rather the Father. In verse 16, he will communicate with the Father (talking to himself?) and the Father will send ANOTHER comforter (not him!). In verse 26 the Father will send the Holy Spirit (i.e. the Father is not the Spirit).. In short, this whole chapter has the roles clearly defined of the different persons of the Trinity. Jesus makes it very clear that there is communication and interaction between the three Persons, and that he is not the Father Himself, but rather that the Father is in Him and that He is in the Father (v. 11), much as the Spirit will indwell believers (v. 17) without us BEING the Holy Spirit. If you are looking for a section of Scripture to support modalism, John 14-17 is definitely NOT the place to start! Jesus is God, without a doubt; but he is NOT the Father, and he is NOT the Holy Spirit. --Joe! |