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NASB | Exodus 23:25 "But you shall serve the LORD your God, and He will bless your bread and your water; and I will remove sickness from your midst. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Exodus 23:25 "You shall serve [only] the LORD your God, and He shall bless your bread and water. I will also remove sickness from among you. |
Bible Question:
What scripture do you give to support your stand here and in your response to me? If I am counted in the sight of God as Israel, or as scripture refers to me often, the seed of Abraham, then I can count this blessing as mine. I also have to meet the same condition that is given. I have to serve the Lord God. Your response to Mitch on this seemed convoluted to me. He in no way indicated that to receive the blessing you would not have to also meet the condition. The post by Moran61 said this Gal 3:29 is only about Jesus the seed . It doesn’t say that at all. It says if we be Christ’s (belong to Christ) then we are Abraham’s seed. And because we are Abraham’s seed we are HEIRS. You admit it says we are the children of promise but again I emphasize it doesn’t stop at that it says we are also heirs. I would like to know more about unconditional promises. The only thing I can think of right now is God’s love is unconditional and I also guess we can count God’s promise not to destroy the earth with water again. I am not disputing you on this but I would like scripture for your statement that I can learn from. I will also need you to tell me with scripture where the blessings of the Old Covenant stopped being in effect. Or if you consider any of it pertinent to us today what part? Lastly this may have to be my last post. I am one of those many would call “name it and claim it” “blab it and grab it” I highly esteem the teaching and ministries of Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and other ministries of this type. Do you consider their doctrine false and unorthodox Christianity? They teach what I am saying here and what Mitch seems to have been trying to say. If so I will obey the rules of the site moderators and leave in love. But you will not have a well balanced forum. :) Here are some of the scripture I stand on that tell me I am Abraham’s seed and heir of the blessings: Rom 2:28-29 “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God” Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, Rom 9:6-8 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children but, In Isaac shall they seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Gal 3:26-29 For ye are the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bon nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Theresa |
Bible Answer: 3. THE FORCE OF FAITH: The Teachings of Kenneth Copeland [Note: Numbers within or at the end of sentences are footnote numbers. To read the footnotes providing reference sources for this article, go to: (www.equip.org/free/DC755-2.htm)] 3. 'THE FORCE OF FAITH 'Of the multiple views of faith held by Faith teachers,10 Copeland focuses primarily on an understanding of faith as a force. "Faith is a power force," he claims. "It is a tangible force. It is a conductive force."11 Moreover, "faith is a spiritual force....It is substance. Faith has the ability to effect natural substance."12 As "the force of gravity...makes the law of gravity work...this force of faith...makes the laws of the spirit world function."13 'Copeland affirms that "God cannot do anything for you apart or separate from faith,"14 for "faith is God's source of power" (emphasis in original).15 Moreover, "everything that you're able to see or touch, anything that you can feel, anything that's perceptive to the five physical senses, was originally the faith of God, and was born in the substance of God's faith."16 In other words, "faith was the raw material substance that the Spirit of God used to form the universe."17 'Copeland adds that "God used words when He created the heaven and the earth....Each time God spoke, He released His faith - the creative power to bring His words to pass."18 For "words are spiritual containers,"19 and the "force of faith is released by words."20 'Copeland derives his definition of faith from Hebrews 11:1: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" (KJV). He interprets the word "substance" as some transcendent, primary element that makes up the universe; it was and is activated by spoken words at the onset of creation (both God's original creation of the world and all subsequent creations, whether by God or man). 'Contrary to Copeland's view, the word translated "substance" in the King James Version is the Greek word hypostasis which, in the context of Hebrews 11:1, means "an assured impression, a mental realizing."21 Far from being some tangible material or energetic force, faith is a channel of living trust stretching from man to God. It is an assurance that God's promises never fail, even if sometimes we do not experience their fulfillment during our mortal existence. Other translations render hypostasis more precisely as "being sure" (NIV), "to be sure" (TEV), and "assurance" (NASB). 'Neither the original Greek text nor any of the modern translations support Copeland's understanding of faith. The same holds true for his understanding of spoken words. Besides, the idea of words functioning as faith-filled containers makes no sense if there is no such thing as a "force of faith" (requiring packaging and transportation) in the first place. ____________________ The Teachings of Kenneth Copeland. To read more, including extensive footnotes, go to: (www.equip.org/free/DC755-2.htm) matt2411 |