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NASB | Exodus 23:25 "But you shall serve the LORD your God, and He will bless your bread and your water; and I will remove sickness from your midst. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Exodus 23:25 "You shall serve [only] the LORD your God, and He shall bless your bread and water. I will also remove sickness from among you. |
Bible Question:
What scripture do you give to support your stand here and in your response to me? If I am counted in the sight of God as Israel, or as scripture refers to me often, the seed of Abraham, then I can count this blessing as mine. I also have to meet the same condition that is given. I have to serve the Lord God. Your response to Mitch on this seemed convoluted to me. He in no way indicated that to receive the blessing you would not have to also meet the condition. The post by Moran61 said this Gal 3:29 is only about Jesus the seed . It doesn’t say that at all. It says if we be Christ’s (belong to Christ) then we are Abraham’s seed. And because we are Abraham’s seed we are HEIRS. You admit it says we are the children of promise but again I emphasize it doesn’t stop at that it says we are also heirs. I would like to know more about unconditional promises. The only thing I can think of right now is God’s love is unconditional and I also guess we can count God’s promise not to destroy the earth with water again. I am not disputing you on this but I would like scripture for your statement that I can learn from. I will also need you to tell me with scripture where the blessings of the Old Covenant stopped being in effect. Or if you consider any of it pertinent to us today what part? Lastly this may have to be my last post. I am one of those many would call “name it and claim it” “blab it and grab it” I highly esteem the teaching and ministries of Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and other ministries of this type. Do you consider their doctrine false and unorthodox Christianity? They teach what I am saying here and what Mitch seems to have been trying to say. If so I will obey the rules of the site moderators and leave in love. But you will not have a well balanced forum. :) Here are some of the scripture I stand on that tell me I am Abraham’s seed and heir of the blessings: Rom 2:28-29 “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God” Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, Rom 9:6-8 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children but, In Isaac shall they seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Gal 3:26-29 For ye are the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bon nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Theresa |
Bible Answer: Dear Theresa, I'm not Ed, but I do not think he will mind my responding here while we wait for his answer. First of all, there are only a tiny miniority here that believe in the "name it and claim it" teaching. The correct term you were seaking is heterodox (contrary to accepted doctrine). Further, please don't leave just because you differ on some point of theology. You will find, for example, that you and I probably differ in a number of definite ways. However, neither of us would deny the fundamental truths of Christians everywhere (diety of Christ, salvation by faith alone, salvation by grace alone, authority of scripture, etc.), nor that we are both saved. None of our differences prevents us from deliberating over the Word of God. Don't let the forum guidelines cause you to leave. That isn't there intent. Their intent, as I've come to understand, is simply to help us focus our discussions -- but they can also be handy for asking cultists to leave. :-) I don't believe any of the long-timer, forum members would disagree with the statements above. Now, regarding the question of the supersession of the Old Covenant by the New Covenant. Yes, we are no longer a part of the Old Covenant. You see, God said "'A new covenant,' He hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." (Hebrews 8:13) Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant. (Hebrews 12:24) Now, many times the principles communicated to the peoples of the old covenant apply to us today, because they are universal principles. God does not change. However, we no longer obey Him by not eating the fruit of a particular tree (Genesis 2:17). Nor do we obey Him by making altars that are built of unhewn stone (Exodus 20:25). Nor do we obey Him by offering sacrifices of various kinds (Deuteronomy 16:2). On the other hand, we are grafted into the tree (Romans 11:17) and enjoy some of the benefits of being children of Sarah. Here's another passage that shows the passing of the old and the replacement of the new: "But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the TWO covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." (Galatians 4:23-26) So, we have to be careful if we are talking about specific terms of covenants versus principles of our relationship with God. Anyway... don't leave the forum, sister. You'd be missed! In Him, Doc |