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Subject: Do all men belong to God? |
Bible Note: "It is clear throughout the Bible that indeed ALL men do NOT belong to GOD.. not an easy pill to shallow.. puts a big hole in the "free will" concept.." Hi, armond888! The above is a quote from your post # 131917; is this found in Scripture or have you quoted this from someone else's post? I know you responded to my previous post... but I still did not receive a clear enough answer! Perhaps I did not understand your intended meaning when you said or quoted: "puts a big hole in the "free will" concept.." ...what is the point that is made here, is it that we were not created by God with free will to obey His Command or reject it? Is it that evil men will forever be evil because they are not allowed to choose righteousness? Is it that only "good" men will enter into God's Kingdom because they cannot do evil? ...I don't mean to be difficult... I just don't follow your statement--specially in light of: "I am not saying anything I am simply listing scriptures in reference to the question.." Just follow me for a second... one Scripture passage you cite speaks on those who listened and learned from the Father (John 6:45)--this of course supports a negative response to the original query posted ("Do all men belong to God?"), while simultaneously allowing for "free will," as only those who chose/choose to listen to the Father will find Life in Jesus! So to state that not all men belong to God, it is Scripturally correct, since we are all God's creatures but not all creatures are children of God (John 1:10-12). But where I become confused is with the "free will" statement since it is by free will that some believe in Jesus while others reject Him (John 3:19). The Scripture passages you have cited on this post # 132150 are excellent examples of direct dependency on God that we have... yet, I am not questioning this fact! And while 2 Peter 1:20-21 are completely devoid of men interaction, John 6:44-45 do not in any form suggests that we are empty-will automatons unable to choose to serve or not to serve God or unable to choose a change from unrighteousness (the path that ends in death) into righteousness (Salvation in Christ Jesus). If I have misunderstood your "free will" statement/quote, please accept my apologies... but if not please clarify how you come to the conclusion that we lack "free will," the choice to serve God or to defy His Authority! God Bless! Angel |