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81 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58620 | ||
Hmm. Mockery and scorn. What's your Biblical reference for that, gentlemen? Melanie |
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82 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58618 | ||
Who was Jacob to wrestle with the angel of the Lord? I read and study and pray over the Scriptures constantly. Literally hours every day because the Spirit hardly lets me out of the house! I can stop studying to care for my husband, my children, my horses, my house and to go to church! It has been almost 3 months since I have watched secular television! I couldn't even tell you what the top 40 songs are anymore! Cast doubt?? CAST DOUBT??? Are you out of your mind? Do you have a mind? I don't! I have this tool the Holy Spirit has appropriated for MY edification! I'm judging??? I am asking questions and being hammered by such as your posting for daring! I'm asking the questions and making the comments in this public forum because I want other thoughts and queries and comments to continue to grow mine! I'm trying to water and fertilize the seed the Holy Spirit is working inside of me and you want me to root it out and throw it away! Well here's a little testimony for you! I left church in my mid-twenties because I was asked to leave a Bible study group for asking the 'disruptive' question of 'where did the pigs come from that Jesus threw the demons into?'. I was told I was questioning the divine authority and divine inspiration of the Bible and they just didn't think that was a good start, so could I please not come back? Well I didn't. I'm 41 years old this time and the Spirit has a hold on me like a headlock. And I'm not fighting it. So I'm not going to be pushed away from my Savior by people like you again. I am not bashing any apostle. At one time I deliberately didn't study Paul because I found him hateful in his attitude towards women. The Spirit has drawn me back to him again and again, and I have learned to LOVE him, but I still have questions and issues with some of the things he said. If you have Scriptures that will edify me, I would be happy to have them, but you're wasting your time if you think vague threats of judgement out of YOUR OPINION are giving me any edification. Jesus met me where I was and He has brought me to where I am, and I have complete and absolute Faith that He will bring me on the rest of the way. In spite of people like you who only want people on this forum who don't wonder things like how Jews in a Jewish land happened to have a herd of pigs hanging around. Do us both a favor. Ignore my posts and I'll ignore yours. If you have anything to teach that I need to learn, I have no doubt that the Spirit will make me accidently click on that particular post. Melanie |
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83 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58615 | ||
So if I have legitimate questions of things I find written in the Bible, and post my observations and questions about them, on a FORUM created for such study, I am ranting? You seem to find it necessary for my salvation that I should give Paul equal authority with Jesus and with the pathes the Holy Spirit is forcing me personally to walk. Hmm. I'll pray about that, but...well, I don't want to poison the soup, but I am not going to be granting anyone authority equal to Jesus that isn't the Father or the Holy Ghost. |
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84 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58614 | ||
I'm glad you're worrying, because that means you're praying for me, too. And if I'm praying for the Spirit to open my eyes and you're praying for the same thing, then that makes two of us in agreement! I love this forum! It has been such a Godsend! I tend to be extremely literal. I look at what you say here and I think, well, okay, if that's the way you look at it then that wouldn't be a contradiction. But it means that I have to subtly change my own definition of contradiction. So maybe I just need a better word to describe/define what I mean. I've already decided that conflicting was too harsh. So perhaps contradicting is as well. But I have to stand by the fact that I have to disagree with Paul when he says he has offended no one. I love him, now, but there was a time early in my spiritual awakening when I dismissed him entirely as completely offensive and a woman-hater. How awful it would have been if I hadn't kept praying and studying! Think of everything he has to offer that I would have missed. |
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85 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58613 | ||
But you don't just continue being lazy do you? No. And have corrected your behavior, you see your improvement on next month's report. I guess, I try to think of how Jesus would react and while Paul had no problem being harsh, Jesus never was. If a man or woman repented, He forgave. He didn't demand the consequences demanded by the Law. This man if fired, would lose his income, his home, and his wife's income. If he is truly repentent, has been rebuked, publically repented, and accepts his church's censure of his behavior, he should be tossed on the street, and forbidden to ever teach the Gospel again? I don't know. It just seems unnecessarily cruel and heavy handed. |
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86 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58611 | ||
John, I too have wrestled with the difference between membership and leadership, and I think David is an excellent example. But what I have come down to is that the Bible doesn't seem to speak to leadership in this (I'm still looking), so I feel we have to be bound by what it does address. And a leader is a member. I just get real queasy about going outside the Bible; I think the technical term is allegorical (not going by what the Word says but by what we think the Word means). Once you start doing that, where do you draw the line? For me the issues are clear. Paul and Timothy tell us how to pick our leaders. That should be our model. But that begs the question about ministers who were drug addicts or adulterers or like Paul, murderers, who were saved then began a ministry. So how far back do you look to judge their moral character, etc? But that's another question. The Bible doesn't tell me what to do in the case of a leader who met the criteria, then stumbled or outright fell (as this prof certainly did), but it is very clear what to do when a member does. Matthew and Paul, too in 2Cor 2:6 when he readdresses the 1Cor member, say if they repent we have to forgive and comfort and restore. Actually in this case, we don't really know if this guy has even been rebuked, much less if he repented. Which if he hasn't, then in case the point is moot anyway. Melanie |
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87 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58610 | ||
2 Corinthians 2:6-9 "The punishment inflicted on him by the majority is sufficient for him. (7)Now instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. (8)I urge you, there, to reaffirm your love for him. (9)The reason I wrote you was to see if you would stand the test and be obedient in everything." I thought 'we people' were all brothers and sisters in Christ? What 'you people' are you representing? |
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88 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58593 | ||
Paul did not contradict himself? In 1 Corinthians 7:25 Paul does have the grace to say that this is not from the Lord, but his own personal opinions (I think that confession was from the Lord!), but does claim that since he is who he is even his opinions should be considered trustworthy. Then he goes on to advise the married men to adopt the attitude of one who is not married! Contrary to God's commands on the same subject in Genesis and to the teachings of Jesus Himself. In that chapter, he tells the unmarried men and women that they should stay that way to better focus on the Lord, then in the chapter 14 verses says women shouldn't be even allowed to ask questions about the Lord except in their home from their husbands. Well, either he's contradicting himself or he's purposely trying to slap a tape over the mouth of at least that generation of women. And yes, I've heard that arguement before about it was just a problem he was trying to correct in that church. But I think chp 11 verse 16, puts the brakes on that notion. "If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice--nor do the churches of God." And would you not call it contradictory when the council at Jerusalem under James writing letters to the new Gentile converts tells them to not eat meat sacrificed to idols, then Paul writing in his letters tells them that it doesn't matter unless someone who thinks it is a sin is watching? 'My Bible' is an NIV student addition, a King James Version, an Amplified version, and a new historical "So That's Why" Bible. I pray constantly when I do my Bible studies and cross reference between all of them, and now I have this wonderful forum and a host of internet study sources, and the conflicting statements I find are in all of them. I have no instances where God makes any conflicting or contradictory statements, but I could give you a list of where PEOPLE in the Bible conflict with their own words, with each other, and more often conflict with what God teaches. Paul's falling back on the Law, or more accurately Temple traditions to support his views on women is a perfect example of that. And I know what Jesus Himself preached on the Pharisees and their attachment to their Traditions; even over God's Laws. I thank you for your comments though. Truly. If I sounded a bit snippy, I apologize. Teaching me to accept well-intended rebukes is one of the things the Spirit is working on with me at this point in my spiritual growth. As for eating habits and dressing, that I wouldn't put under submission or wisdom actually. I think of it more as an example of "God said it". Genesis isn't giving a command to women, God is just telling them the way it's going to be. Like it or not, we will be ruled over by our desires for our husband. He didn't say it would be a choice. I think any woman if she is honest will admit that like it or not we find ourselves doing things, some simple like restaurants and clothing, but some profound, some even damaging (a woman staying with a wife-beater) because we are ruled by our desire/love for our husband. Having said that, I am not saying women should stay with a boyfriend or husband who beats them or that God wants them to do such a thing. Actually I think that horrible situation is exactly why women should stay celibate until they are married and then should choose their husband very carefully, meaning a Godly man who stands willingly under God's authority and who delights in being in God's presence. Such a man is not going to harm or hurt his wife or children, and should the unthinkable happen, the wife has recourse through God. God made us ruled over by this desire for our man, and if we pick the wrong one and live with him under the wrong circumstances we are still ruled by that Genesis/Godly decree. Feminists may say no man rules me, but an honest woman will look at all the ways she gives into the man she desires/loves and realize its true whether she likes it or not. The woman staying with the wife-beater is just the most extreme example of it. oh boy. Hope that one doesn't get me in trouble. Melanie |
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89 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58551 | ||
Notice it doesn't say there wasn't any either. | ||||||
90 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58550 | ||
2 Corinthians 6:3 "We put no obstruction in anybody's way, we give no offense in anything, so that no fault may be found and our ministry blamed or discredited." That was my reference. She was offended and it was an obstruction to her praise and worship. It was getting between she and God. That's not important? Christ meets us and forgives us where we are. If the pastor has repented, I'm not worried about him. Though for the offense to his ministry I don't see how he can get out of publically repenting and asking forgiveness from his congregation. And as for the church-- excuse me, but I worship Christ. Not my church or my pastor. I love Christ and He doesn't get offended. He aches for the sinner and wants them/us under his wings like baby chicks. But this woman is distressed and that is my concern. Yes, the instructions in Matthew should be followed. I agree wholeheartedly. I am learning that the Bible has a solution or instructions for just about any situation, but where did you get in the Bible that there was even any chance that God would strike him dead for continuing to preach and teach the Gospel? If he has repented and is forgiven.... and go to 2 Corinthians where Paul himself said he told them this to test their obedience, and since they had passed the test and obeied, they should bring him back in and comfort him so as to confound the devil. How do you get God is going to strike him dead from that???? And how can you teach poor Ivory313 that she should be so unforgiving and hard hearted when she is already so wounded? I would hope that she would go through the steps of Matthew with a saddened but obedient and determined heart. It must be done, but if she does it to be hurtful to him...I'm afraid I just don't understand your point of view. |
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91 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58549 | ||
I answered you in the other note, but I'll say it here, too. No where in the Scripture does it say that the pastor must go and never preach again. Nowhere. And if he is truly repentent and has been forgiven, then he has a testimony that will serve to teach others to avoid the pitfalls and traps that ensnared him. That is valuable teaching. No one would be served by preventing it but the devil, and anything that confounds him to it I say, Amen! And sin is sin. Repentance brings forgiveness for all of it or none of it. You want to live by the Law, that's your choice, but I don't want any of it. I'll take forgiveness and Grace. |
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92 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58548 | ||
Timothy and Titus speaks to forming new churches and Jesus is the authority on repentence and forgiveness. Paul also spoke DIRECTLY to these kinds of circumstances, making no exceptions nor placing any conditions, for the forgiveness and the welcoming back into the congregation. So that the man wouldn't be brought too low and depressed--what would his condition be if he was trounced as you would prefer? Just as low and depressed as any man could be. You might also take a gander at Paul's writings on living by the Law. If you want to be held accountable under one of them, you'd better be ready to live under all of them, because you're giving up Grace for it. And when you choose the Law over Grace, you die. | ||||||
93 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58547 | ||
I'm very aware of the OT writings of 2 Samuel. But this man is not OT covenant. He's a Christian pastor and as such, he is covered under the new covenant. Jesus said render unto Caesar, and if this man had broken a civil or criminal law, I would say absolutely, you must take your punishment. But this is a SIN and Jesus specifically died and was resurrected to cover sin if there was repentence. | ||||||
94 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58528 | ||
God knows everything. He doesn't exist in time like we do. Why do you have to have all these other absolutes? As Arminians and as Calvinists. You both presuppose that He made a plan and looked down through time and picked who would be on one side of the plan and who would be on the other side, like picking teams for kick ball! Doesn't it just make more sense that He looked down through time, saw who would make what choices and planned accordingly? I'm just glad my salvation isn't dependent on either of your points of doctrine. We do agree on that, right? I mean, I am born again, I do study the Word, it has pretty much taken over my whole life, I am filled with joy, and I must love both of you because all my maternal instincts are aroused. It's really very much like when my two oldest were teenagers and I wanted to knock both their heads together. Lovingly, of course. |
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95 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58522 | ||
Created in God's image and likeness...yet totally depraved. Hmmm. Who has the view of a weak God? | ||||||
96 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58512 | ||
That was beautiful. Just beautiful. Do you know that beautiful actually means 'perfect timing'? Maybe you'll feel better if you don't think of it as infighting, but as vigorish (sp?) debate, and that this too is of the Spirit. Part of the plan to bring us together and make us realize we really are blessed that God loves us all so much. | ||||||
97 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58504 | ||
Beautiful verse isn't it. But it's one verse surrounded by others that say we have to have fellowship with Him to be covered in His blood; 1John 1:9 has a great big "if" that makes it really clear. | ||||||
98 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58495 | ||
John 3:16 says you have to believe. Jesus in His parables (in Matthew as it happens) says straight up that some just won't get it. And doesn't the Bible also say that many will love their flesh more than Jesus, even in the end of days when God is pouring out His wrath? There are your scriptures. |
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99 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58493 | ||
Jesus restored to us the place where we were before Adam chose to not believe God. Now we get to make the choice for ourselves. But you can easily do just what Adam did and choose to not believe God. The only difference is that you are only responsible for your own fall. Think of it as sin is a debt (Jesus did say "It is finished" which is what the Romans put on the documents of debts, or sentences, when they were paid). A debt puts you on the negative side of zero on the number line. Jesus paid for our sins, putting us back at zero. Accept the "free" gift and you get a credit, salvation, and you are on the positive side of zero on the number line. |
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100 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58482 | ||
Isn't Jesus pretty clear about how/why some will be saved and some won't in the parable of the sower? Matthew 13:4-9 and 18-23 When you have the words of Jesus Himself, why do you need to cling to Paul? |
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