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81 | Sabbath or Sunday | Col 2:16 | Ocelot | 164909 | ||
Thanks for your reply. I understand what you are saying. But just because a command is not mentioned, does that mean that it's toast? The fourth commandment is by far the longest and most detailed of the ten. I would just expect to see a little more on the issue in the Bible if a change was supposed to take place. |
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82 | Sabbath or Sunday | Col 2:16 | Ocelot | 165295 | ||
You’re preaching to the choir, so to speak. Rom 6:1, 2 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? Rom 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! Firstly, that was a very hypothetical question. It was simply to get an idea across. Secondly, I do not seek to keep God’s commandments to be saved. I seek to keep them BECAUSE I AM SAVED. Christ said “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” Just some thoughts Ocelot |
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83 | the Bible Alone | 2 Thess 2:15 | Ocelot | 170901 | ||
And then there was the inquisition. Ocelot |
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84 | "Here I stand; I can do no other." | 2 Thess 2:15 | Ocelot | 170924 | ||
Robin, Going back to something Lionstrong said, who’s tradition is the final word? For centuries the Roman Catholic church decided what “tradition” was, and we had the dark ages. Thousands were murdered in horrendous ways for defying that “tradition”. Would you have us return to that? Unless the Bible, and the Bible alone, is the final word, many will be crushed by the “traditions” of men. Ocelot |
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85 | Ephs 4:30; 1:13-14 | 2 Tim 1:12 | Ocelot | 165792 | ||
1 Cor 9:27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified. That's Paul talking about himself. Don't you think that Paul had a Working Faith? |
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86 | Ephs 4:30; 1:13-14 | 2 Tim 1:12 | Ocelot | 165800 | ||
So what you’re saying is that if a born again Christian, a leader amongst God’s people becomes a murderer, an adulterer, that they’re still safe? Rev 21:8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. Now you might say “Well that person never really had a Working Faith”. Didn’t he? I think that he did. His name was David and he was called a man after God’s own heart. One of the sins listed for those who’s place is in the lake of fire is murder. Another is immorality. Both of which David was guilty of. Both of which David had to be forgiven. Now David will be in heaven, we know that. But if he had not confessed and repented? How about king Saul? He was chosen by God. And yet he died a murderer of priests amongst many other sins. According to the two verses above, he’s doomed. David’s little romp with Bathsheba and the resulting murder of Uriah prove that a follower of God CAN lose salvation. And you can’t argue with the Bible. Revelation 22:15 says that murderers will have their place in the lake of fire. Salvation can be lost. |
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87 | Ephs 4:30; 1:13-14 | 2 Tim 1:12 | Ocelot | 165803 | ||
Here’s a little news for you. David was saved by the blood of Jesus, not by the blood of lambs, and certainly not by keeping the commandments. Just like every son of Adam and daughter of Eve since The Fall. If David, or anybody before Christ could have been saved by works, then heaven will be a lot emptier. You see, Christianity is not a new religion. Christ is not a new God. True Christianity is the continuation of the Jewish religion. Just as the Jewish religion was the continuation of the Patriarchs religion. And the Patriarchs religion was a continuation of Noah’s religion, and Noah’s religion was a continuation of Adam’s religion. There’s no “new” way to be saved. Christ has always been The Way. Secondly, God has a limit. He will not go against our Freedom of Choice. If I, who am saved, choose to be lost (may it never be), then He will not stop me. If we don’t have freedom of choice, then this whole sin thing has been just a big experiment by God. Like a child with an ant hill and a magnifying glass. But God is not that way. The, dear Mark, though you may be saved can choose to be lost. And God will honor your choice. |
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88 | The Fall of Satan | Rev 12:4 | Ocelot | 166220 | ||
It would seem logical to me, (if you want opinions) that Satan fell BEFORE tempting Eve. I don’t see an un-fallen angel tempting humanity. Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, Rev 12:8 and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. Revelation 12:9 says that Satan was cast down to earth. Since the Earth was created in six literal days, I would see the fall happening AFTER the creation. So there’s my take on. Sometime after creation Lucifer (Satan) is deceived by his pride, there was a war in heaven, and Satan was cast down to the earth. Shortly after that (I have no idea how long “shortly” would be) Satan tempts Eve to sin. Ocelot P.S. Since this certainly isn't a docrinal issue, I hope my stating of opinion doesn't start an argument : ) |
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89 | The Fall of Satan | Rev 12:4 | Ocelot | 166229 | ||
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place” Just because Revelation 1:1 says this does not mean that God’s not allowed to do any recapping later on. Just a thought Ocelot |
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90 | The Fall of Satan | Rev 12:4 | Ocelot | 166233 | ||
You said: “I think you may have made the same mistake I did, which is to assume that the fall of Satan was a physical fall from heaven, but I am now learning that the doctrine of this forum is actually that of metaphorical fall from a state of perfection/grace.” I actually believe it was both a physical fall and a fall from grace. I believe the physical part of the fall was more of a getting kicked out of heaven fall. Maybe I just misunderstood what you’re saying. Ocelot |
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