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761 | When Was Godhead Divided? | Bible general Archive 2 | jlhetrick | 155113 | ||
Exactly, thanks Doc (no pun intended) Jeff |
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762 | When Was Godhead Divided? | Bible general Archive 2 | jlhetrick | 155084 | ||
Hello Ray, may I jump in? I read your post several times and I'm having trouble following so I thought I would ask questions of both you and hoaryhead if I may. First, for hoaryhead if you read this. When you ask "when was the Godhead divided?" will you please be more specific. Are you of the belief that the "godhead" was at one time a single person which at another time divided into separate persons? For you Ray: I know and understand the emphasis on capitalization but I don't follow your rational for using it in Phil. 2:8. Again, I don't follow so I'm not being critical, only trying to understand. Why would "you" "interpret" it differently than "others"? By what appears to be your rational, wouldn't you have to apply the same to "bondservant" in verse 7, interpreting it "Bondservant"? Finally, I see no form of answer to hoaryhead's question. Help please, Jeff |
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763 | Flesh or Spirit | Psalm | jlhetrick | 155015 | ||
Dear Doc, Thanks for another learning experience. And thanks for the point to the website. Sincerely, Jeff |
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764 | Flesh or Spirit | Psalm | jlhetrick | 155010 | ||
OK Doc, perhaps I am oversensitive and/or reading into your statements. If so, or in any case, I sincerely apologize for my own argumentativeness. I am not so eager to see negative in you, only seemed to be seeing it. I did note in my post (I believe I did anyway) that you agreed that salvation is a permanent state once received. I am an educated man. I too have an appreciation for language that is best representative of one's point and argument. I, on the other hand find myself very often using a good deal of common and even slang language when I teach or preach. Perhaps this is to my failing and the detriment of my students and listeners. Perhaps I am sometimes guilty of assuming that they might not know or be familiar with some of the language. Anyway, I will consider this more. Regarding "assurance" this post is more understandable to me (if I have it right). It appears to me that you are referring to the assurance (or encouragement) that we as believers might give to another "professing" Christian. If I have you right on this then I agree. We also agree regarding sanctification. Thanks. Regarding A.W. Pink, I have only recently become familiar with his writings. I am currently reading from "Why Four Gospels" for personal entertaiment and learning. I am doing some digging in "The Doctrine of Justification" in preparation for my Sunday lessons at church. Thanks for your reply, Jeff |
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765 | Flesh or Spirit | Psalm | jlhetrick | 155003 | ||
Hello Doc, I must say that I usually follow your posts well and 99 percent of the time have agreed with what you have had to say. You have redirected my thinking and taught me some truths and generally been very helpful. I hope I am wrong but I am now getting the feeling that you are interested in calling other's thoughts and beliefs into question; which would be fine and appropriate if you are able to support your arguments with scripture and therefore be a teacher. Again, I have to take issue with your comments that both directly and indirectly make reference to one of my posts. While I too am usually uncomfortable with almost any kind of "lingo", some of it used by Christians is sometimes the most insincere and abused. In my earlier post I refered to "once saved always saved" as a commonly quoted belief and argument. Though I did not use the phrase as my own language, and therefore feel no need to defend it, I question what you mean when you say it is misleading. You make the statement but give no evidence or support for making it. If you believe that a person can not lose his/her salvation (as you say you do) then what is misleading about the statement? I too prefer language such as "Perseverance of the Saints" and "Infallible Grace." but, that does not make these sayings "superior" except perhaps in our own minds. You write: "I truly do not believe that anyone deserves assurance nor can be guaranteed assurance!" Let me help you with this because this is important. It is not a question of one's deserving, we deserve nothing from God except eternal wrath; it is a question of God's will for us. God wants you to be sure and to be guaranteed of that assurance. Phil 1:5-6 "because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now,being CONFIDENT of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." NIV (emphasis mine) I agree we are to work out our salvation with "fear and trembling" but please, don't confuse this "working out" with "obtaining through receiving". If a person has trusted in the Lord He/she is saved and encouraged again and again in scripture to have confidence and assurance in that. That is why Paul is so tedious in articulating the gift and miracle of salvation. The "working out" involves one's "becoming" more like Christ, which can only occur after salvation. I have read A. W. Pink as well, an eloquent writer, but his feelings and thoughts on a subject have to take a back seat to the scriptures. I appreciate your remarks regarding "progressive sanctification" and believe that it is here that your misunderstanding is linked. Sanctification is indeed a ongoing process in which the Holy Spirit continues in us the process of becoming more like Christ. But this process begins after salvation is received Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto sanctification , and the end eternal life. ASV Thank you for your continuing remarks under and including "progressive sanctification". They were enlightening and encouraging. Sincerely, Jeff PS, I truly look forward to continuing to follow your posts and feel confident that I will continue to learn from you. Thank you for that. |
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766 | Flesh or Spirit | Psalm | jlhetrick | 155001 | ||
Your welcome WOS, Glad I could help with this one Jeff |
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767 | Flesh or Spirit | Psalm | jlhetrick | 155000 | ||
Thanks Hank, It always helps to have your understanding of a topic confirmed by another. I wich I could have thought of the words you used in your post to better articulate my points. They go well together. Jeff |
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768 | Flesh or Spirit | Psalm | jlhetrick | 154972 | ||
Hi WOS, Interesting topic with debateable points and probably answered through the search funtion. Rom 2:7-11 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism. NIV These verses do not refer to backsliding Christians but rather to the saved (who receive eternal life), and the unsaved (who reject the truth of God and receive wrath and anger). The debate you seem to be having with yourself here is the old one of "once saved always saved?" See Heb 6:4 This verse is used by both camps to argue both the possibility of losing one's salvation as well as the impossibility of losing one's salvation. The "can lose" camp argue that this verse clearly teaches the possibiity of losing salvation. If one has "been enlightened" and "shared in the Holy Spirit", and "tasted the goodness of the Word of God and the powers of the coming age", this person must have absolutely been saved. The "can not lose" camp argues from a different perspective. The one "falling away" here is likened to Judas Iscariot. Having seen the works of God in Jesus himself and even having "shared in those works" and "tasted the goodness of the word of God" in the hearing of Jesus' word, and "witnessing the powers of the coming age" by being witness to the miracles of Christ. It would appear from Scripture that Judas in fact performed miracles as one of the deciples sent out in Matt. 10:1 the argument continues against Judas that he "was a traitor" (Luke 6:16) was entered into by Satan (further supported by theological argument that a true christian can not be possessed literally though he might be harrassed or oppressed) and possibly the most important reference Judas lef his ministry to "go where he belongs" (Acts 1:25) Though this last reference doesn't specifically say that Judas died eternally lost, taken in context with the rest of scripture, it certainly appears to be the case. Finally, the "can't loose your salvation" argument logically argues that scripture teaches that once you are justified by Christ it is impossible to be unjustified. The logical argument might go like this. If there is anything one can do to undo his salvation, this thing would be a greater work than the greatest mirical of all that which only Christ could accomplish in reconciling the sinful man to the Father. If we can not be "saved" by our works, how can we be "unsaved" by our works once we have been justified? As a Christian I have gone back and forth on what I believe regarding this as I moved from church to church and teaching to teaching in my travels. The debate is much more involved than what I have articulated above but let me say that based on what I have discovered for myself in the bible, I am convinced that nothing can undo my salvation and that once a person is justified by Christ, he/she is saved once and for all time. Paul said it best: Rom 8:38-39 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. NIV |
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769 | How should we take the Bible? | Bible general Archive 2 | jlhetrick | 154965 | ||
OK, thanks Jeff |
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770 | How should we take the Bible? | Bible general Archive 2 | jlhetrick | 154961 | ||
Come on Doc, you are one of the more learned bible students on this forum. We both know that Paul was in no way categorizing himself along with those he wrote about in the verses I pointed out (Romans 1:18-32). Absolutely not. When you study the life and ministry of Paul you will (and you Doc have) find that Paul was a saved sinner. He was a Christian. He was also still human and as such continued to be a sinner (as you, me, and those "professing believers" around me are). Romans 7:14-20 for example I think you missed my point altogether. (and I admitted in my earlier post to Mark that I may very well have missed your point). So let me try again. I am not trying to be contentious or argumentative here. I had true concern for what you wrote regarding Christians and their "intentional" avoidance of seeking God's truth and creating ways of not adhering to the word of God and not being obedient save perhaps on a very superficial level (again as I understood your post). To my understanding and belief, such would not be true Christians, not truly converted and changed by the Lord. Therefore, I would object to the "we" with the inclusion of Christians implied or stated. But you did not attempt to redirect my understanding of your comments so I must assume that I interpreted them correctly. So, in this latest post you minimize your labeling to "faltering or flagging", far different descriptions than "spending most of our time trying to figure out how to obey as little as possible..." and "how much is in it for me, and what is the least I have to do." Doc, this is not a sufficient description of a true Christian at all. Yes, this is a far different description of how a truly converted person approaches the Lord and His word. The difference in myself, Paul, and I suspect you and every other true believer, is that we are convicted by God when we sin, resulting in true feelings of guilt and sorrow followed by repentance and forgiveness. We are so grateful for His mercy and the grace He has shown in saving us that, in spite of "faltering or flagging" we strive to do better and continually die to self as we are made more and more like Jesus Christ. I believe that this is a more accurate representation of the approach a true Christian takes toward his/her savior and the word of God. And as for "lowering the average" at my church, I don't think so. Because I disagree with a statement you made doesn't mean that I don't respect and appreciate your knowledge; as I have said in other posts, I have learned a lot from you. But, in truth I believe you meant this comment as an insult. Jeff |
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771 | How should we take the Bible? | Bible general Archive 2 | jlhetrick | 154944 | ||
Thanks for the reply Mark, I agree with everything you wrote here for the most part. I could not respond to your post the way I did to Doc's. Your post represents the truth about the majority of Christians in this country (in my opinion). I will not, and can not try to defend even myself regarding the "lazy" approach to Christianity the majority of Christians (in this Country) take. I know I should be giving more back to Him and I know that I will never succeed at doing all I should in this life to further the Kingdom of God. But I keep working at it (sometimes harder than others). This is not what I took issue with in Doc's post. In the section of his post that I quoted it read to me like he was likening Christians to the pagans in Romans 1:18-32. I simply don't agree that Christians are, as a rule, "inventors of evil" Romans 1:30 which is how the statment came across to me. That "we" are looking for ways to be disobedient. Perhapse it is our differences in experience related to our individual churches and fellowships. Perhaps I totally missed Doc's point and/or misunderstood what he was writing. But, I'll have to stand by my feedback until I know different. Jeff (always open to correction and redirection) |
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772 | How should we take the Bible? | Bible general Archive 2 | jlhetrick | 154938 | ||
Hello Doc, Where are you coming from with this statement? You wrote: "We spend more time trying to figure out how to obey as little as possible and have our own way as much as possible. We even read the Scriptures -- when we bother to read them at all -- with an attitude of how much is in it for me, and what is the least I have to do. If we are honest, everyone of us struggles with this." It saddens me to read this. You used the "pronoun" WE but I hope you were not referring to yourself and/or Christians. What you described here is not the character or the way of a true converted person. Sure "our" sin nature still exists and sure many, and even perhapse all, of the characteristics you described can and do exists in every christian, but hoepfully as the exception rather than the rule. I'm sorry but I just don't see how this broad statement about Christians (as it appears you are referring to Christians) as being helpful in answering Diomede's question. Your numberes list was helpful and thanks for that. Jeff |
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773 | Radical Boycott??? | John 17:15 | jlhetrick | 154841 | ||
Above meant to be linked to Brazos, sorry. | ||||||
774 | Radical Boycott??? | John 17:15 | jlhetrick | 154840 | ||
1Co 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. 1Co 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. 1Co 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 1Co 10:22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he? 1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. KJV Brazo's I do not believe that you can find the answer to your question here on the forum. I believe that you must find it in the word of God and through prayer. I wont take the time here to support nor argue against the answers that have already been posted (while i agree and disagree with parts of each). For my own approach, I agree that it is impossible to evaluate every item of every place of business in order to decide to participate with that business or not. Furthermore, if there were time and I accomplished this task, I could probably find at least one item that could be traced somehow to someone/thing ungodly. The focus, in my case, is the overt and intentionally controversial promotion of sin where there is no freedom of discretion. An example would be the Southern Baptists Association's boycott of Disney for Disney's "in-your-face" promotion of homosexuality. Research this. Disney has changed it's tune and the SBA has dropped their official boycott. There is also about to be a new TV station specifically ran by and for homosexuals. "In-your-face." I will boycott. I carry a certain brand name cell phone and that company is proudly sponsoring this station. Boycott. I will not throw away my phone, but when I buy a new one it will be from another company. Is boycotting a method of evangalizing. Absolutely. We are called to be set apart. 2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. KJV 1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; 1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation. KJV We must live in the world but not be of the world, we all know this as christians. When the world around us is obviously and intentionally, promoting sin we can not keep silent and certainly can not contribute to it. If we do not articulate to the world and demonstrate through some means, calling sin sin and intentionally separtating from it when possible we show and prove nothing to the world except hypocricy. The church has stood silent for too long and I believe you and I and every other christian will account for it one day. Evangalism? We do not just tell the world about Christ, we show the world Christ living in us by abstaining from knowingly and intentionally participating in the committing and/or contributing to the overt, intentional, "in-your-face" sin of this world. One more thing, I will comment specifically regarding sparing the jobs of christian brothers and sisters. In the event that their place of employment is overt in it's intentional promotion of sin, you have no obligation to consider the consequences regarding their imployment. They, on the other hand, have an obligation to walk away. God will provide for their needs. Lord forgive us. We have become too tolerant and too self-serving that we will accept sin in the world around us and in our own daily living in the name of convenience, comfort, and safety, Amen. If you read all the way through thanks for hearing me out. Jeff (Opinion, everybody has one) |
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775 | Whose hardening their heart? | Matt 19:8 | jlhetrick | 153659 | ||
Agreed, thanks | ||||||
776 | Whose hardening their heart? | Matt 19:8 | jlhetrick | 153658 | ||
Now you've got it. | ||||||
777 | Whose hardening their heart? | Matt 19:8 | jlhetrick | 153641 | ||
Bro. Tim, Your are correct that God delivered the Law through Moses, however, everything that Moses said God did not say. :-). The same logic can be applied to the gospels for instance. A lot was said and written by Matt, Mark, Luke, and John. Paul wrote a lot of letters to a lot of people and churches. Not all of these sayings and writings are found in the bible, why? Because not all of it was inspired (or said) by God. See Num. 20:8-12 for a good illustration of how everything Moses said God did not say. Hope this was helpful, Jeff |
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778 | Will there be a partial rapture? | 1 Thess 4:17 | jlhetrick | 153614 | ||
OK, you say here that you "do not know what MOST people view the rapture to be" and in your previous post you wrote: "Therefore it does not apply to what most view the rapture to be". I was just wondering what your view of most people's view was in your previous post. If in one post you know what most people's view is how can you not know what most people's view is in another post? Regarding resurrection being a part of the rapture, that is how I understand it as well. Regarding Rev. 20:4-5 this is a very difficult topic for me. I am currently in the beginning stages of a serious study of the book of Revelation and admit that I am more confused than when I started (having to let go of some traditonal understandings). There are multiple views that can be supported by scripture concerning prophecy of the book as well as the Millennium period. I know that God did not intend to confuse us and that the confusion comes through our own finite minds. Thanks for the dialogue Jeff |
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779 | Will there be a partial rapture? | 1 Thess 4:17 | jlhetrick | 153611 | ||
OK, you challenged so I reply. Here is the scripture you wanted (or thought wasn't there). Rev 11:12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." Then they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies watched them. Also, keep in mind that the original author (the Holy Spirit through Paul) had two "Certain people" He was targeting as audience. Paul's certain people in his time and you and me and those to come after if the Lord should delay. So you left out one very important criteria for interpretation. "How does this apply to me today" But the rest of what you said there was good. You were accurate on most of your basic history regarding paul and his time but, as for Paul continuing to practice the Jewish faith, I think your way wrong on that. He did continue to observe the law but only in that it revealed his sin to him (Romans 7:7 for example). But, he did not continue to practice the Jewish faith which absolutely declared obedience to the law a requirement for righteousness and demanded circumcision, as well as the observance of a whole array of events. Gal 4:9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. Gal 4:11 I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain. (NASB) I'm like you and don't like to change my position unless I can be shown evidence to redirect me. I hope this helps Jeff |
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780 | Will there be a partial rapture? | 1 Thess 4:17 | jlhetrick | 153606 | ||
MJH, I like the joke, can I use it? |
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