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701 | An Exegete of Acts 2 | Acts 2:16 | jlhetrick | 159153 | ||
Hi Mark, I appreciate your position with Doc. I am not trying to criticize Doc for the sake of criticisim. I am offended as are others at the way he approaches this forum. As though he is the end all authority on scripture. He belittles others and disregards honest questions people have about his posts. His behavior should be unacceptable on the forum. There can be no honest and otherwise appropriate study and dialogue when one who claims such authority expects others to except it and refuses to address honest questions regarding his statements. We all struggle with pride but it is much more obvious in some. A perfect example is that he did not simply disagree with you as you say you do him. No, he simply refused to honestly debate the disagreement in order to do the best justice to the issue and those looking on. I may be wrong, I didn't check before responding now, but I don't think he even responded to your clear teaching which was, well, impossible to dispute as the word of God always is. Instead he jumped right in with the intentions (I'm sure) of minimizing my responses and "clouding" the issue by redirecting the topic. Really pay attention to his post and I believe it will be clear. Doc is my brother too. And many who read and follow the threads on this forum are our brothers and sisters as well. We can't allow any who might convince themselves that their understanding and conclusions are authoratative, to behave irresponsibly by disregarding the honest efforts of others. Nor should we allow them to declare truth that they are unable or unwilling to support with scripture. It doesn't work that way. Finally, I don't believe that I stated anywhere that Doc was trying to make his point "at any cost". What I do believe is that pride sometimes stands in the way of one ever excepting that he/she may be wrong or from excepting that he/she may not know. And it is possible to share a conclusin that you have come to honestly and honestly believe without attempting to be intellectually offensive. Doc has a lot of knowledge that can possibly be turned to wisdom. I have learned from many of his post. I have also been left very concerned by some too. Sincerely, Jeff |
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702 | An Exegete of Acts 2 | Acts 2:16 | jlhetrick | 159065 | ||
Hi Kalos, Thanks for responding. I was attempting to get a better perspective on Doc's view of "last days" in order to better understand where he is coming from. But he doesn't respond directly to questions that challenge his point. Anyway, Mark d seyler did a fine job of putting the issue in this thread in biblical context by letting the bible speak for itself and not attempting to offer a self-declared authority over the topic at hand. Thanks again for the response. Sincerely, Jeff |
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703 | An Exegete of Acts 2 | Acts 2:16 | jlhetrick | 159026 | ||
Hi Doc, Good luck in New Jersy, I hate to drive in that town. Have a safe trip. Thanks for your response but I believe you missed my point. Thanks for pointing out that there were only 78 minutes between our post. I think it was actually 78 minutes and 12 seconds. Anyway, my post did include that I have sat under the teaching of others as well as done my own study of this passage in times past, sorry you missed that. Still, the issue at hand has not been addressed. I am not asking nor expecting you to "do all the work for me". I was simply asking you to better represent your own work by giving supporting, contextual scripture. I am capable of doing the work to support my own views, opinions, and beliefs, but it's hardly fair for you to expect me to do the work to explain yours. Again, have a safe trip and try to get some enjoyment from your travel. Sincerely, Jeff |
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704 | An Exegete of Acts 2 | Acts 2:16 | jlhetrick | 159013 | ||
Hello Doc, Your using Mark's rational now which is appropriate for understanding this passage. But you didn't attempt to answer my question. You write: "People make the dreams and visions the point of this passage." I argue that you attempt to disregard the issue of dreams and visions in this passage although God and Peter felt it important to include them. It's simply that I just don't follow your argument as rational and more importantly complete. In an earlier post you wrote: "Peter states clearly that this passage is fulfilled in Pentecost!". He certainly does not state it at all, much less clearly. Without going back to read at this time, I believe Mark has sufficiently made that point. But to restate it in short; Peter states very clearly that Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; (KJV) No mention of completed work or total fulfillment. As Mark correctly pointed out, Peter was addressing a specific question and/or accusation regarding a specific behavior (speaking in other languages). Peter, under God's direction, quotes the whole prophecy, why? Is it not reasonable to conclude that God's intention here was to not only explain what was being observed but to also reemphasize what is to come? Also, I realize this is a whole other topic, but just as a side note. Where does this day of pentacost fall in relation to the biblcal reference "the last days"? I will have another question based on your answer to this. Regarding the careful study of what Peter says after quoting Joel, I have considered it and studied it. Maybe I'm missing something but I get nothing that suggest to me that anything debated here has been completed in full. Sincerely, Jeff |
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705 | An Exegete of Acts 2 | Acts 2:16 | jlhetrick | 159006 | ||
Hi Doc, I spent a lot of time with your post here. I have lots of questions but no time now to ask them. I would like to ask one though. You wrote: "If you want to talk about dreams and visions, don't do it with a passage like this. It just isn't there, folks." This confused me. Did you miss this "your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall DREAM DREAMS," (emphasis added) your young men shall see visions." or did you just over look it. If you missed it please consider editing your post for the help of others. If you overlooked it, why? This looks like the very place one might start if he/she wants to know and talk about what God has to say about dreams (as Mark has done). Sincerely, Jeff |
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706 | An Exegete of Acts 2 | Acts 2:16 | jlhetrick | 159005 | ||
Hi Mark, Thanks for putting this issue into proper, contextual perspective. It's unfortunate that others will pick and choose (not to mention leave out) scripture in order to support their argument; and then send the less learned on a wild goose chase after something that's not there. That is not very good bible study (not to mention bad teaching methods). I have studied this passage in context and heared it taught on several times. I have never had it presented to me in the way that Doc did. I gave considerable time to his post and, like you, couldn't line it up with scripture. I'm not trying to degrade him I just don't understand why he continues to do this post after post. Your post on the other hand was very well laid out and supported with scripture in context. Thanks for that. It is a very dangerous thing to manipulate scripture to make it make your point, especially for those witnessing that are trying to learn. Thanks for taking the time to study and put things in their proper perspective. Jeff |
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707 | Regarding earlier post (thread) 156868 | 2 Tim 2:25 | jlhetrick | 158336 | ||
Mark7, Your missing the point. It's not how I feel, nor is it some strange and unbiblical teaching that convinces me of my salvation and standing with God. It is the word of God and it's clear teachings that assure me of my position with God. You see, I have been baptized by the Holy Spirit as scripture clearly teaches. I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and believe that God has raised Him from the dead. I have accepted this work of Christ as atonement for my own sins because He offered it to me and I was hopeless without it. He then baptized me with the Holy Spirit, sealing me for the day of redemtion. I, like all Christians, have all there is to have of the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not like an hour glass where you can manipulate Him through your good deeds and actions, or a fenzy of emotion causing Him to tilt you now and then giving you a little more and a little more of Himself. Hope this helps, Jefff |
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708 | Regarding earlier post (thread) 156868 | 2 Tim 2:25 | jlhetrick | 158165 | ||
Hi Mark7, Thanks for the response, Yes I am a christian and I am a member of a bible believing and bible teaching church. You write: "The reason some are touchy about "experience" is not that it contradicts the Bible but that it contradicts their interpretaion of such key scriptures as Acts 2:4!" Your right, but it's also because they see others attempting to take personal experiences and assign them as from God when they are not. Some examples are "holy laughter" and "being slain in the Spirit." There simply is no biblical reference to support these silly notions. But there are whole congregations being carried away by these things on a regular basis. Jeff |
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709 | Regarding earlier post (thread) 156868 | 2 Tim 2:25 | jlhetrick | 158164 | ||
Hi BrakK, Thanks for the response. I appreciate the 3 categories of people that you say participate in this and other forums and agree with you completely. I think it was humbledbygrace who posted not long ago that we should let the word of God speak for itself. No words we can offer can better defend the truth. The person posting about his/her dream appeared to me to be in serious error but to be in that situation innocently. In other words, he/she appeared to really believe that the dream and the “revealed” word had significance. Now belief is a powerful persuader especially if the believer is EAGER to believe in what he thinks might be true. It’s like believing in haunted houses. People want to believe that they are real. Another would be hard pressed to persuade him otherwise. However, the word of God presented lovingly and patiently in response to an apparent nonsensical question would have power to both rebuke and teach. We shouldn’t just tell people there wrong and state what Christianity says about it, we should provide the scripture to support our rebuke. With that said, I tend to believe that the need for a quick assessment of what category a poster falls in is less important. In time, someone with inappropriate motivations will be clearly seen for what he/she is and can be ignored or rebuked as appropriate. By jumping too quickly we may scare of a sincere searcher of the truth. By the way, you left out a 4th category of poster. He/she that wishes to demonstrate his/her knowledge and self-assigned superiority from a prideful heart; who never accepts redirection much less rebuke, and who will not respond honestly when they are called to account for their postings. BradK, you are by no means in this category so please don’t think I’m referring in any way to you. I often follow your post with interest and learn from you. Thanks. Also, your right. Experience is not the “gauge” of biblical christianity. But without it there would be no biblical christianity. The gauge is the word of God by which we test our experiences to know if we are in step with God or not. Again, thanks for the response. Jeff |
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710 | Number 216 | Bible general Archive 3 | jlhetrick | 157877 | ||
Hi Doc, I thought so. The difficult questions are, well, difficult. But we will have to just be satisfied to let the response speak for itself. Jeff |
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711 | Number 216 | Bible general Archive 3 | jlhetrick | 157855 | ||
Hi Searcher56, Yes I know this. But thanks for responding. My statement regarding numerology was a statement rather than a question. The point of my post was to address the inconsitency with the rules and expectations on the forum. I didn't expect a honest and humble response from the one I addressed. But the frequent rebuking and/or redirecting others who might not appear to be asking a question to his liking or criteria, so obviously contradicted in the same thread, required attention. Jeff |
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712 | Number 216 | Bible general Archive 3 | jlhetrick | 157854 | ||
You mentioned above that this forum is for bible study. You like to point that out to others. Are the following post that you and others are posting in this thread serious bible study? I had been lead to believe that numerology is a false teaching. Just asking. Jeff |
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713 | Does sin prove one is not a believer? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 157829 | ||
Hi BradK, Thanks for putting that issue back into proper perspective. Jeff |
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714 | Number 216 | Bible general Archive 3 | jlhetrick | 157827 | ||
Hi Doc, You mentioned above that this forum is for bible study. You like to point that out to others. Are the following post that you and others are posting in this thread serious bible study? I had been lead to believe that numerology is a false teaching. Just asking. Jeff |
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715 | passages to help someone suicidle | Ps 100:3 | jlhetrick | 156685 | ||
Hi Hank, Thanks for being responsible in answering this question and including the need for medical attention. Sometimes we forget that God has blessed us with medical technologies and skilled and gifted clinicians that he works through to heal the sick. In the meantime, we Christian may fail as assuredly as any by simply offering a bible verse. It reminds me of when my father died. Several Christians quoted this scripture to me, Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. KJV ...and that was it. Wow was that helpful. Jeff |
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716 | Does the Mosaic Law apply to gentiles? | Leviticus | jlhetrick | 156684 | ||
Hi Doc, What Mark said. Thanks, Jeff |
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717 | biblical ex. of how to rebuke a brother | Matt 18:15 | jlhetrick | 156620 | ||
Hi Doc, Thanks for the response. I don’t understand why you would believe that I have “read into†the apparently simple question of how to rebuke a brother. The question appears to be a straight forward one. I felt and do feel like my response/answer, a simple quote from scripture, was straight forward as well. No reading into and no long-winded exposition of my interpretation of the verses. You basically did the exact same thing with your response #156500. My question back to you was, does the Gal 6:1-2 have more to do with the restoration of a brother, while Matt. 18:15-17 are more specifically talking about the rebuking of a brother. But you really haven’t answered the question clearly if at all. So I am continuing to attempt to get a clear understanding of this issue without reading into anything. So let’s work on it. You write in response to my post: “You are apparently referring to the subject of church discipline†To be clear, I was actually referring to the “rebuking†of a brother as I took the question from “now†at face value. I quoted from Matt. 18 because that is what Matt. 18 is referring to. If you study it carefully, you will see that the process of rebuking a brother, as spelled out clearly in these verses, may in fact eventually involve the larger church body if earlier steps are not successful. But before it becomes a matter of the church, it is an issue between two brothers and it is a matter of rebuking one brother. You wrote: “The passage in Matthew 18 that you mention is about making every effort to restore a "strayed sheep†I see your point here and I agree with you. The end goal of rebuking another Christian, is to achieve restoration of that brother. Perhaps this is what your “(sic)†reference to the original question from “now†is referring to. The fact that “now†did not include in his/her question the issue of restoring, but focused only on the issue of rebuke (I’m assuming here, I’m not really sure what the “sic†reference means). So I’m thinking that it may have been from your spirit of love that you did in fact read into “now’s†question and answer with scripture focused on restoration verses a simple quotation that focused on rebuke as I did. Working through this, it seems to me that I am correct in offering the quote from Matt. as this scripture is a direct and specific response to the direct and specific question by “nowâ€. But had I read into the question, I would have been more alert to redirect “now’s†thinking to include the need for restoration after the rebuke has succeeded in effecting confession and repentance. In that case I might have been more diligent in following up with additional scripture to include what to do after/if the rebuking process is successful. In conclusion, “nowâ€, if you are still following along, take the instruction of scripture as I offered in Matt. 18. If the bother acknowledges his sin and repents, follow through with the instruction of scripture in Gal 6 as Doc offered. Hope this is helpful to all following, Jeff |
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718 | biblical ex. of how to rebuke a brother | Matt 18:15 | jlhetrick | 156589 | ||
Hi Lionheart, Well said brother. Jeff |
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719 | biblical ex. of how to rebuke a brother | Matt 18:15 | jlhetrick | 156581 | ||
Hi Doc, Thanks for the information on the usage of the word rebuke. It is helpful. Will you please respond to the following. Is Gal 6:1-2 referring to how to "rebuke" a brother (as the question asked) or how to "restore" a brother? I'm asking because it appears that these verses are referring to a brother who's guilt has been established as he has been "overtaken in fault" and he appears to be suffering and in need of restoration. now's question seemed to be asking how to deal with a brother who is in need of being held accountable (correct me if I'm wrong now). If this is the case, wouldn't Gal 6:1-2 only apply if that brother confesses and repents? If there is no acknowledgment on the part of the brother in need of rebuke (after he has been called into account), would not Matt 18:16 and then even possibly verse 17 be the biblical way of handling the rebuke? Jeff |
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720 | biblical ex. of how to rebuke a brother | Matt 18:15 | jlhetrick | 156553 | ||
Hi Doc, Is Gal 6:1-2 referring to how to "rebuke" a brother (as the question asked) or how to "restore" a brother? I'm asking because it appears that these verses are referring to a brother who's guilt has been established as he has been "overtaken in fault" and he appears to be suffering and in need of restoration. now's question seemed to be asking how to deal with a brother who is in need of being held accountable (correct me if I'm wrong now). If this is the case, wouldn't Gal 6:1-2 only apply if that brother confesses and repents? If there is no acknowledgment on the part of the brother in need of rebuke (after he has been called into account), would not Matt 18:16 and then even possibly verse 17 be the biblical way of handling the rebuke? Jeff |
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