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641 | divorce and remarriage for chirstians | 2 Corinthians | jlhetrick | 164238 | ||
Hello Luke, Your statements on sin and forgiveness are good, but I don't believe they are well thought through. Your right that Christ did come to provide atonement for all sin. But I think you might benefit from a look at Romans. A good reference place to start is Romans 5:20 - 6:2 Think on this for a while before resonding if you will. Sincerely, Jeff |
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642 | How do we receive Him? As Guest/Owner? | John 1:12 | jlhetrick | 164106 | ||
OK momma, Thanks again for participating. And thanks for encouraging me to look deeper into this issue. these types of discussion always lead to my considering and learning more. Consdidering the "contextual apprehension" though. Context is the only way to understand the bible and it's message. We have only to look at history to see how lack of context has lead to false teachings. The study of God's word takes energy and time (effort). It is our responsibility, and in truth, it, along with prayer, is how we seek Him. 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: Again, thank you for participating, Jeff |
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643 | How do we receive Him? As Guest/Owner? | John 1:12 | jlhetrick | 164105 | ||
OK momma, Thanks again for participating. And thanks for encouraging me to look deeper into this issue. these types of discussion always lead to my considering and learning more. Consdidering the "contextual apprehension" though. Context is the only way to understand the bible and it's message. We have only to look at history to see how lack of context has lead to false teachings. The study of God's word takes energy and time (effort). It is our responsibility, and in truth, it, along with prayer, is how we seek Him. 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: Again, thank you for participating, Jeff |
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644 | How do we receive Him? As Guest/Owner? | John 1:12 | jlhetrick | 164092 | ||
Thanks Kalos, I did know of the scriptures you pointed out, but I appreciate your contribution. By "teaching" I was referring to mommas presentation of it. Perhaps I'm reading in to her statements but I took it to mean that this was a statement of truth concerning all people of all time. She and I are working it through I believe and I hope to understand her position and make my own clear as well. I hope to learn from her and she from me. Forgive me if I came across cross. To my discredit, I have allowed myself to be on the defensive lately. with love, Jeff |
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645 | How do we receive Him? As Guest/Owner? | John 1:12 | jlhetrick | 164085 | ||
Hello momma, I did consider Romans and Luke before having responded to you. I guess I'm having trouble with understanding what you believe these passages to be teaching. Did you consider them in context; that is both within the immediate context and the wider teaching of scripture (including the verses I posted earlier)? What I'm taking from Romans 3 for example, is that Paul was quoting, rather he was making a statement taken from more than one passage in the OT. Two things must be considered. First, what in the OT was being referenced. Who was speaking in the OT, to whom, and what was the relevance of it (that is, the overall context)? second, who was Paul talking to in the NT? what was the message/point he was making? Once these questions are answered, the truth of what is taught will be clear. Then, of course, the next step in a general study would be to ask how does it all apply to me and christians today. Thanks for continuing to work this through with me. PS, sorry about the incomplete post earlier to this same post of yours. I was in my office and between patients and to my discredit, wasn't paying good enough attention. with love, Jeff |
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646 | How do we receive Him? As Guest/Owner? | John 1:12 | jlhetrick | 164053 | ||
Yes, perhaps you are right; semantics. I'm thinking that we are probably more in agreement than either of us realize. In any case, the dialogue with you has been interesting and informative. Thank you, and once again, I apologize if I came across inappropriately. With love, Jeff |
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647 | How do we receive Him? As Guest/Owner? | John 1:12 | jlhetrick | 164051 | ||
Hello brother Kalos, Glad you joined. I hope your not using this passage to support the notion that no one seeks God as that is the context of the last post. You are a good bible student and teacher so I'm sure you have researched the quote from Paul referring to several passages of the OT including Psalms and Isaiah. Question, what was Paul's intent when quoting the OT there in Romans 3? What was the context of the statements when they were made in the OT? Do the statements intend to imply and or do they teach that no one seeks God? If your answer to the last question is yes, what do you do with the verses I quoted in my last post and the many similar ones in the bible (keeping in mind to keep those in context as well). Look forward to your answers if you have time. with love, Jeff |
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648 | How do we receive Him? As Guest/Owner? | John 1:12 | jlhetrick | 164047 | ||
Hello again momma, I read your post with sincere interest. I want to start with your ending. First, I apologize if I made you feel that I was anything less than courteous. You had seemed somewhat discouraged that no one had responded to your original post after it had been up for so long and you finally withdrew it. I felt a responsibility to you as a forum member and your brother in Christ and wanted to show respect for your question and give an honest response. I mentioned in an earlier post that I was now suspicious of your original question. That is because your continued posts suggest to me that you have a very good understanding of this topic, so why the question? Was it to solicit a answer that you could then tear down? I hope not and I don’t want to believe that. But again, even in this most recent post you continue to debate against the language that you yourself presented. It was not my language, it was yours. As I have already stated before, I was attempting to use “your” language to help you see the truth. Again, that was my mistake. You make this comment: Just as He stands at the door and knocks, does He do so as a Guest or as Owner of the house? I’m not sure what you mean. I have tried to articulate that Jesus is not the owner, or shall we say the master, of any person until that person receives Him. Perhaps it continues to be the language that conflicts us. Sure He is our creator, and absolutely He has total authority over us. I’m not disputing this. I’m not asking you to take my word for this, I am simply asking you to understand what the Lord Himself has to say in the matter. Jesus said: Joh 8:42 Jesus told them, "If God were your Father, you would have loved me, because I came from God and am here. For I have not come on my own accord, but he sent me. Joh 8:43 Why don't you understand my language? It's because you can't listen to my words. Joh 8:44 You belong to your father the devil, and you want to carry out the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and has never stood by the truth, since there is no truth in him. Whenever he tells a lie he speaks in character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. So you see, your premise, while sincerely presented I am sure, just doesn’t line up with the truth found in the word of God. My intention is not and has not bee to embarrass or call you wrong for sake of arguing with you. My intention has been to redirect your thinking and use of scripture back to what the bible actually teaches, that is, the truth. Again, too often people pull verses from here and there and establish their own statement of truth from it without considering what it is really teaching in the context of which it is found. I would argue that we have all probably done this unintentionally or believed something to be right based on the teachings of others who have done it. With this in mind, let me ask what you meant by your statement: “According to Scripture, there is none who seeks God” This is a definitive statement. Yet I don’t know of this teaching. Am I mistaken, or are you? Pointing me to scriptural support will be helpful. I will end with that for now and some verses that I believe suggest that not only are there those who seek God, but we are responsible for doing so. Lam 3:25 The LORD is good unto them that wait for him, to the soul that seeketh him. Deu 4:29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. 1Ch 28:9 And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever. Psa 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart. Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: There is much more in your post that I would like to address but for sake of time can not. It also would likely be unproductive to post even more in one posting, but, I truly hope this helps you. Again, if I offended you I apologize. It was not my intention. With Sincere Love, Jeff |
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649 | How do we receive Him? As Guest/Owner? | John 1:12 | jlhetrick | 164034 | ||
Thanks momma, are you referring to yourself? |
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650 | How do we receive Him? As Guest/Owner? | John 1:12 | jlhetrick | 164012 | ||
Doc, Please tell me your joking. Was my request for additional feedback on the theology of denieing God's sovereignty an attempt to "stir debate". This would be " a violation of SBF guidelines". Again, please tell me your joking. I have to believe that you are. Son, you can't name a topic in your post and then insinuate that someone's request for additional information is an effort to stir debate. Besides Doc, you do enought stiring on your own. You say as much in the post I'm responding too. You seem to like it. But not to worry, I was not stirred to excess. I think you find it difficult to accept when you are shown to be lacking in one of your responses. It is all a part of the learning process. You will show true maturity and wisdom when you are able to accept redirection with some humility. I truly hopes this helps, Jeff |
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651 | How do we receive Him? As Guest/Owner? | John 1:12 | jlhetrick | 164010 | ||
Hello Momma, Your getting closer. Your concept of all that we are and all that we can "do" or offer, is from Him in the first place. We are nothing without Him. Our very breath is given from Him. You write: "Be still, and know that I am God." From this point we begin to see that He does all the work; believers are but the instrument Again, don't take scripture out of context. This verse is not at all speaking of our work or what we do in service. It is speaking to the fear we may feel when all seems to be crubling around us. "be still and know that I am God". You might paraphrase it like this: Don't worry, I am your protector and able to deliver you. It is a contradiction to say "He does all the work; believers are but the instrument." We ARE His instruments, but called to DO His work. You seem to think that by acknowledging this you might be somehow saying that it is of your own accord. This is not the argument. We do His work as He has called us to do, and we do it only by the power and ability that He gives us. IT's not a contradiction. You actually make the point when you write "He serves THROUGH us" (emphasis added). Mark 16:15 15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. NIV Luke 4:8 8 Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" NIV 1 Cor 15:58 58 Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord , because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain. NIV 1 Cor 16:10 10 If Timothy comes, see to it that he has nothing to fear while he is with you, for he is carrying on the work of the Lord , just as I am. NIV Hope this helps, Jeff |
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652 | How do we receive Him? As Guest/Owner? | John 1:12 | jlhetrick | 164007 | ||
Hello momapbs, Sorry, I haven't seen you on the forum before. I have to say that I was trying to be helpful when responding to your original posted and then withdrawn question. After the dialogue though, I'm suspicious as to why you asked the question the way you did. You see, if you hang areound here long enough, you will see many very intelligent people that tend to answer simple questions with a complicated, deep, and technical response. your post presented as one with very limited bible knowledge and as one with some "christian lingo". I was attempting to use your own language to help you understand the truth. I grew up in the church hearing the very same language. My first impulse was to call your language into question but I didn't feel one with such a basic understanding would benefit from that. But then you made a point to disagree with me for using your own language. My mistake. But while we’re back to it (the post) let me try to responsibly understand your position and point. You wrote: “First, Mark 10:45 "the Son of Man did not come to be served. but to serve and to give His life as a ransom for many " which suggests to me that we are HIS guests, He serves us” My question is: He has come, and He has given His life, does He still serve you? Or is He your master and you serve Him? In the post I am responding to now you write: “He has given us the capacity to believe and an awareness of Himself for us to choose to believe in - therefore no one has an excuse (Romans 1)” Very good, you are right. But having no excuse isn’t enough (Romans 1:18-20 for example) There is the “believing in faith”, which is each person’s choice and responsibility. As I pointed out, we are only capable of that faith in the first place because God Himself gives us the faith to believe. Also you write: “However, just because some terminology is "a long-standing language used in the church" does not necessarily make it "gospel." Very good again, your on track. I hope I clarified above that I was using your language, not my own. I was attempting to teach you vs. attack your presentation. One last thought to try and help out. You quoted Psalms 23:7 and used it (I believe) to relate to this discussion regarding what we believe and how it shapes us. Remember to always take scripture in context of what it is teaching. These verses are referring to one who is focused on self and not God. Hope this helps you, Jeff |
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653 | How do we receive Him? As Guest/Owner? | John 1:12 | jlhetrick | 163980 | ||
Hello again Doc, It’s uncharacteristic of you to respond in a thread without first examining it fairly well, especially when there are only three posts in it. I say this to your credit. You must be a busy man. I’m glad to hear that you don’t ascribe to “hyper-Calvinism”. As for the “more commonly held theological perspective that denies the sovereignty of God”, would you be so kind as to give me additional feedback on this theology? I have little knowledge of it. I am aware that the lost may be of this persuasion, but I haven’t heard the teaching within the church. You mentioned in your post that you were listing the scriptures I requested? I didn’t request any. I guess that was just another example of your being to busy to read thoroughly. But the verses you listed made me feel like, perhaps, you found something in my post that made you question my belief in the sovereignty of God and His lordship and authority over all. Again, too busy to read and consider?? As for you referring to me as “son”. Well, I’ve seen you do that to others on the forum. I think it speaks for itself so no further comment is really necessary. Jeff |
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654 | How do we receive Him? As Guest/Owner? | John 1:12 | jlhetrick | 163974 | ||
Hello mommapbs, I like your comments. I also believe it is fine to disagree with me. I would ask you to consider though what the bible teaches about this subject. There are many who would teach that we have no part or responsibility regarding our relationship with Christ. This is contrary to the teaching of scripture. Having a "couple of verses" in mind is a good start, however, putting them into context and getting the truth as a result should be the goal. So, disagreeing with me is fine, I am sometimes wrong. But disagreeing with scripture is wrong. We don't take from it a couple of verses and declare a truth that, well, is not true. Your right, Jesus Christ is King, and has authority over all. This includes the damned. Read the first chapter of Ephesians. Who is Paul talking about in the first several verses. Who is he referring to as "predestined"? Pay attention to verse 13. Notice the prerequisite for those non-Jews being included with Paul and the "us" and "we" he had earlier spoke of in the chapter. Those who "heard the word of truth" and "believed". So, when I use the terminology of "making Jesus Lord" know that this is a long-standing language used in the church for hundreds of years to emphasise the individuals responsibility for believing in faith what they have heard from the word of God. No too that there are others who would preach "a different gospel". Beware of them. Jeff |
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655 | How do we receive Him? As Guest/Owner? | John 1:12 | jlhetrick | 163969 | ||
Sorry you were irked Doc, I too am irked at the continuous iresponsible, unloving, unChrist-like, way that people respond indirectly to others on this forum. It's so unfortunate. Especially when they quote out of context of what the person actually wrote. This is shameful, and probably sinful as well. But you know what irks me the most? Those who use language like "we have nothing to do with that", or "He is Lord, He is King, He is all these things and more" "I have no power to make Him anything." Especially when they are unscriptural in their context. And the fact that some have so much biblical knowledge that has failed to turn into wisdom. This is unfortunate. Of course you have the power. To receive Him or reject Him. And don't try to throw some Calvin at this. I'm more interested in what the bible has to say about it, what Jesus had to say about it, and what the writer's of the scriptures had to say about it. There are those out there who would work to take away any and all individual responsibility. Those same people would also love to see the doctrin of free will turned on it's head. I'm glad the Lord made it clear to those who are willing to accept His word on it. Jeff |
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656 | How do we receive Him? As Guest/Owner? | John 1:12 | jlhetrick | 163961 | ||
Hello Mommapbs, He is a guest, so to speak, when you open the door and let Him in. Guest, as in, He was invited in. (is this what you mean)? Rev 3:20 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. KJV I recently heard Dr. David Jeremiah talking about how the Lord opens doors for us in our lives. Doors of ministry, opportunities to do His will. He also explained how we often hinder the progress by attempting to open doors for ourselves. He made a good point. The only door that Jesus will not open is the door to our hearts. That door, as the verse demonstrates, is to be opened by us. But He knocks. He gives us the gift of grace and the measure of faith by which we are able to bellieve and receive Him. He is the "owner" when you make Him so. Rom 10:8-9 8 But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. NIV Notice the believing as well as the confessing Him as Lord. I tried to answer this based on the way you presented your question. I'm not sure, really, what you mean by receiving Him as "Guest" or Owner. The bible doesn't teach that He will be one without being the other. In other words, unless He is Lord over you, you have no fellowship with Him. A guest is here for a time and then goes away. When you accept the gift of grace that was given freely by God through Jesus Christ, He becomes your Lord. That is, He is your Master (or Owner if you will). He has freed you from the slavery of sin wich used to be your master. Hope this helps, JEff |
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657 | Saving and Forgiving Grace? | Eph 2:8 | jlhetrick | 163950 | ||
Yes Doc, I know. We agree! | ||||||
658 | Saving and Forgiving Grace? | Eph 2:8 | jlhetrick | 163947 | ||
Hi Doc, I'm not sure they do much to demonstrate a good rebuttal to those who might argue that we can "increase our merit before God". There is pleny of scripture to do that sufficiently and undeniably though. I believe that these verses do help to demonstrate that we certainly can please God. Pleasing Him though does nothing concering out "merit" as that is sufficiently accounted for by the work of Christ and God's Holy Spirit only. I realize that this was the context of the thread. I only wanted to show that, yes, we can and do please God when we obey Him. Just as we grieve Him when we are disobedient. Of course, obedience does nothing to add to our merit as nothing we contribute can increase or inhance what has been given freely by grace. with love, Jeff |
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659 | Saving and Forgiving Grace? | Eph 2:8 | jlhetrick | 163945 | ||
Rom 8:8 8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God . NIV 1 Thess 4:1 4:1 Finally, brothers, we instructed you how to live in order to please God , as in fact you are living. NIV |
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660 | Why was his heart hardened? | Ex 4:21 | jlhetrick | 163793 | ||
Your welcome, Your question hit close to home for me because (i may have mentioned in the thread) I struggled with this very question early on. God used this for me personally in order to begin truly understanding His sovereignty. We can learn to take a lot of things for granted, even concerning God. His sovereignty is one of those things for many of us. It's the language sometimes. We grow up, many of us, hearing it and maybe even believing it. It's not until we really begin to understand it though that it really gives value to our understaning of and relationship with God. I hope the responses in this thread have been helpful to you. God Bless, Jeff |
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