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741 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | humbledbyhisgrace | 208151 | ||
Greetings Brother! See my response to Azure in post 208149. I would be interested in your thoughts! I've done front flips and back flips through these passages many times and have reasoned much the same way you have in the past but it seems to me there is much assumption in our reasoning this way. Given the actual text we have available to us and without adding assumptions to the text, and let me add with my limited mind and ability to understand, it seems to me our reasoning on this is done outside of what the text actually says. So I would be interested in my thoughts on this as I have laid out in the post to Azure (208149). Thanks Brother, Steve |
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742 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | humbledbyhisgrace | 208161 | ||
Brother John, You say "Good question; but we see that the serpent didn't refute her repeating of what she considered to be the gist of God's command" and you speak of her pride etc.. Given the text, is this not attributing to her a fallen nature prior to the fall? It seems that way to me and this is why I struggle with what seems to me to be much assumption attributed to this passage. However, I can understand because everyone looks back to the written account we have where God commands Adam. And perhaps that is actually the correct way to view this but I'm struggling lining that view up with the actual text. Steve |
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743 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | humbledbyhisgrace | 208162 | ||
Seeker, Welcome to the Study Bible Forum! On your point about the command being an arbitrary command. Well, let's not forget who's command it was. The fact they disobeyed this command you call arbitrary is clearly taught as the fall of mankind. (Genesis 3:6-7) You say "Another potential problem with this idea that they could not do evil because they hadn't eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is that if this was the case, how could they be held accountable for eating of the tree?" Your assumption is they have to know what is good and evil before they know to obey. God had told them not to, there is no scripture to point to that would give us any reason at all to think they did not understand that they were not to. Mankind is not held accountable because he knows the difference between good and evil. He is held accountable when he does not obey! The simple fact we now know the difference between good and evil is a direct result of man not obeying the absolute command of God (again, Genesis 3:6-7) God's commands are never arbitrary. They are clear and He expects full compliance! Steve |
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744 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | humbledbyhisgrace | 208181 | ||
Greetings Imm, Ah, it looks as if you have worked your way through this also :-) These are the type discussions I love to see! Lot's of good thoughts and questions by all who have attempted to work through this. I love it! First, let me address the beginning assumption. I'm not clear on what you are trying to say here. I will say this, I personally don't see any reason to assume anything. After all, that is what usually leads us astray from the text in the first place. What we do know is that God commanded Adam, and according to the written word, Eve said that God said etc... So, I'm afraid I don't see the need to assume what they might have thought on the matter. What is clear is that they were disobedient to what God had said. Perhaps I misunderstand your first comments??? Your comment... "It sounds to me as though she was in transgression before eating, she picked it, at that point she didn't die, she had just told the serpent, God said don't touch it! Jas 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin." If in fact God told her as she stated in 3:3, then it would seem to me she would be in transgression before eating. Your comment... "This scripture might be stretching the point, but she was now looking at the tree with desire, and curiosity can it be applied in different situations? Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." This would seem to attribute a fallen nature to Eve before she had disobeyed so it doesn't seem applicable to me. Your comment... "I believe Satan went to Eve, as the weaker vessel, knowing he stood a better chance, than with Adam. Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed." Can we actually apply this passage to this? Would it be true if we are dealing with lust in the heart of Eve then she was fallen even before satan appeared? Same as above, it seems to attribute a fallen nature to Eve before the transgression. Your thoughts? And thinks for the post! It's interesting working through this and the differing views and thoughts are good to work through. I've always found the first three chapters of the word interesting and I love trying to understand it all! Steve |
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745 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | humbledbyhisgrace | 208184 | ||
Hi Cheri, Yes, I have enjoyed it also. I've always been intrigued by the first three chapters of the bible and find myself still trying to figure it all out! You ask the question and I'm getting the workout :-) Steve |
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746 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | humbledbyhisgrace | 208195 | ||
Azure, Yes you have been clear sister! And I'm working this out myself, not trying to correct :-) What I am trying to do is view this without any speculation and making no assumptions. That's why I'm hung up on the words in 3:3 God has said. One of the problems I have had in the past in trying to understand some of Genesis 1, 2 and 3 is that as you say, there is a lot of blanks so to speak. I can't help but wonder how many of those so called blanks are our own doing though because we end up making assumptions :-) Anyway, it seems to me given what we have before us that it is possible that either God told Eve or Adam told Eve. Problem is, we have no text to back up either in the way of a direct statement from them. Yet we do have text that clearly reveals Eve was told and the text says, God has said. So if we eliminate all assumptions and keep with the text, this is what we have :-) Now, what does that mean???????? Does that mean God told her directly or Adam told her directly? I don't think we can answer that from the text. And it seems to me, anything else is speculation on what she said. I really don't think, at least in my understanding, that we can attribute anything here to Eve's knowledge being inferior. I can however confirm my knowledge is inferior :-) By the way, I'm probably the one muddying the water :-) Steve |
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747 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | humbledbyhisgrace | 208197 | ||
Brother John, The way I view that is this is the only picture in scripture we have of mankind truly having a free will! One not dead in sin! Scary to think of all the sin tainted hearts out there that think they would have made a different choice! But it seems to me a great error for us to say God created them with a fallen nature. After all, He removed them from the garden because he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever after man was corrupted by his sin. Steve |
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748 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | humbledbyhisgrace | 208199 | ||
Hi Sister, Perhaps! It's an interesting question. Just thinking out loud, the first thing that crosses my mind is that if one was obedient out of love then I'm not sure one would be so focused on the consequence. But if one was obedient out of fear, then it would seem the consequence was certainly in view. As a Christian myself, I for one find both to be true :-) Now, that's just a quick thought on the question. Not sure how you would address that from scripture :-) This passage does come to mind. James 1:14-15 (NASB) 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 1:15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. It would seem to me that the lust that entices us clouds the view of the consequence and there is a point it no longer is a concern to us so we sin despite the consequence. Steve |
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749 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | humbledbyhisgrace | 208218 | ||
Imm, Romans 6:16 (NASB) "Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? " Romans 6:23 (NASB) "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Genesis 2:16-17 (NASB) 2:16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 2:17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." Genesis 3:11 (NASB) "And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?" Genesis 3:16-19 (NASB) 3:16 To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you." 3:17 Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. 3:18 "Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field; 3:19 By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return." Steve |
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750 | Whats a womens place in the Church? | 1 Tim 2:12 | humbledbyhisgrace | 180301 | ||
Greetings 2Tim215! Something to think about. You stated “I think that it is better to obey God than to follow 1 Timothy 2:12 and sin in disobedience.” You are being disobedient if your not following 1 Timothy 2:12 or any other part of God’s word. God is not going to tell you to get up in front of a church to say something if that action contradicts His word. I’m not saying what you did contradicts His word. What I’m pointing out is that to think you can ignore God’s word and follow what you think is God speaking to you and it doesn’t line up with His word, you can rest assured it’s not God speaking to you. Your Brother in Christ, Steve |
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751 | ... | 1 Tim 3:16 | humbledbyhisgrace | 202446 | ||
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752 | Using Love as Jesus | 2 Tim 2:15 | humbledbyhisgrace | 160568 | ||
Mark, there are few people on this forum I have truly gained respect for. Not just because of their intellectual knowledge of scripture, but mostly because they also exemplify a biblical knowledge, a real understanding of what the word of God is all about. They understand it and are trying to live it. At least what I see in their post. To me you are one of those people. There are those on this forum I pray for and in your case I think God for. Having said that, I have to say your post to Jeff is somewhat concerning and contradicting. I only point this out because of the double standards I see constantly applied on this forum and I hate to see you caught up in it. The very things you say to Jeff you are doing yourself. Some of the things you accuse Jeff of you ignore in others in the same thread. You say Jeff "passed judgment on an answer given, that was not given" to him. Are you not doing the same thing brother? How many times has this been done before on this forum and nothing said about it? Including this thread! You say "it would be more fairminded to not open that door?" Yet you open the door yourself and leave the others closed. Was it fair-minded for someone else to open a door as you say, ask a provocative question and you leave that door closed? What's up with that? Why was that not addressed if your going to address Jeff's? What are others to think when they see you question Jeff and you let others who's sole purpose was to provoke slide without question or redirection? Does someone have to state they felt disrespected before someone comes to their aid? If so then shouldn't this practice be applied to everyone on the forum? (Because it's not!) SEE THIS THREAD FOR EXAMPLE! You say "Please keep in mind that we are here to build up, and not to tear down." Can I be so bold as to ask, who are we to build up? Is it only a select few that we agree with or should we include those we disagree with? Steve |
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753 | Using Love as Jesus | 2 Tim 2:15 | humbledbyhisgrace | 160659 | ||
Hey brother Mark, Let's face it, there is always a difference in our minds. I think that is probably what gets us into trouble sometimes. We can somehow justify to ourselves we are doing the right thing and others are wrong. Some times that is true. However, many times I think it may only be true to us and not others. I'm guilty of this myself. I guess it's easy to identify with something your familiar with :) I can only thank God for giving me the ability to also look at myself now where before I had Christ in my life I never did. It's truly humbling to see how for one has come but how far there is to go (I'm speaking of myself). I meant what I said at the beginning of my post 160568. I posted to you because you didn't belong there and I wanted to bring it to your attention as well as others what everyone else was able to see. Many have found there place in this forum and they work hard to maintain it. Their post always speak to who they really are. Yours do as well and that was not who you are. At least in my opinion it is not representative of who you are. Forgive me for being so bold as to think I can tell you where your place is. That is not what I mean to do. I'm only trying to say where I see you belong as a brother in Christ on this forum and I base that on your post. Even though things are not always brought to light every time they could be on this forum, hopefully people will stop and realize when they post to this forum many people read the post. One may think they are wise in their ways but it may shock them to know they are transparent as glass. The best way I can describe it is sometimes it's like watching a small child holding a sharp two edge sword in a crowded room and no one there to tell them to put it down before someone gets hurt. How many of us are that small child at times? I don't know exactly how to say this so I'm going to just try in hopes that you will take it as something from the heart of a brother in Christ. I do not place myself above anyone else. I have learned early on as a Christian I'm as sinful as anyone else and I continue to struggle with things just like everyone else does. I have more then enough to work on myself to place myself above others. If and when I point something out on this forum like I did recently, it's one to caution a brother and/or two to expose what is taking place. Do I think that makes me more righteous or that I'm above others? Not at all! If I do it out of love and it brings to the attention of all the dangers of what is going on then hopefully it is justified. If I fail in that then I can only blame myself for thinking I could somehow make a difference. Without a doubt, you can count me as a brother in Christ as I also do you! Steve |
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754 | list the four responses in verses 12-13 | 2 Tim 2:15 | humbledbyhisgrace | 180164 | ||
Greetings Anita! Welcome to the forum! I'm curious if you have read Romans 6:12-14 yourself. If so and your just struggling with it let us know. If not and your just seeking answers to a test or study questions, well... let us know that also. Here's a hint. See what you can do with this. Verse 12 contains one of them and verse 13 contains the other three. What would you say they are? God bless, Steve |
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755 | hate crime? | 2 Tim 2:15 | humbledbyhisgrace | 189354 | ||
Brother, I agree with stjohn and Azure, excellent post! It is a great reminder to all! Steve |
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756 | ... | 2 Tim 2:15 | humbledbyhisgrace | 195669 | ||
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757 | happy meditating for Sp. illumination | 2 Tim 2:15 | humbledbyhisgrace | 199098 | ||
Thanks for correcting the link for the forum! Steve |
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758 | MEANING OF ON THE VERGE OF A BREKTHROUGH | 2 Tim 2:15 | humbledbyhisgrace | 215491 | ||
Greetings job4210! Welcome to the Study Bible Forum! A year is a long time! I can relate as I'm sure many on the forum can as well. Many of us have prayed for things for long periods of time also. Be encouraged by the word... Philippians 4:6-7 (NASB) says 4:6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. 4:7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. Let us all strive to remember who it is that we go to with our prayers and supplication. He understands us and He knows our hearts. Also let me commend you on persevering and teaching your son the value of coming together and praying to the Lord God! You did not mention your sons age but regardless, the lesson is a valuable one and for him to see you persevering in this may very well strengthen his faith and perseverance. Steve |
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759 | MEANING OF ON THE VERGE OF A BREKTHROUGH | 2 Tim 2:15 | humbledbyhisgrace | 215499 | ||
Hi Job4210, Luke 18:1 (NASB) Now He was telling them a parable to show that at all times they ought to pray and not to lose heart 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 (NASB95) 5:16 Rejoice always; 5:17 pray without ceasing; 5:18 in everything give thanks; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. We are encouraged by the word of God to pray and not to lose heart! We also know that if we ask according to His will He hears us and we have the requests which we ask. The key here is that we are asking according to His will. Of course this does not simply mean that we say in our prayer "according to Your will". It means that what we pray must be according to His will. 1 John 5:14-15 (NASB) 5:14 This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 5:15 And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him. Although we may know from Scripture many things that is God's will to pray for we find ourselves in need and praying for many things that we do not know what God's will is. A good example of how we should approach these prayers that we do not know for sure can be see in Christ prayer in the garden of Gethsemane. I do not mean to imply any theological points regarding what Christ knew or didn't know regarding God's will in the prayer. The reason I point to this prayer is for you to see how Christ Himself prayed regarding God's will. Luke 22:41-42 (NASB) 22:41 And He withdrew from them about a stone's throw, and He knelt down and began to pray, 22:42 saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done." I would like to encourage you to do some study on prayer. Not only will it help you, but it will also give you the spiritual knowledge on how to explain and teach your son how to approach God in prayer and what he can expect. This may very well help strengthen your sons faith. If he is praying, and for such a long period of time now and has not seen the results as he may well be expecting he could grow weary and begin to doubt. If he has a better understanding of prayer and God, then he is more likely to be stable and able to deal with the doubts brought on by the flesh and/or the enemy. I will be in prayer for you and your son. That God may grant understanding and wisdom and help you both in this. God bless, Steve |
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760 | Regarding earlier post (thread) 156868 | 2 Tim 2:25 | humbledbyhisgrace | 158134 | ||
Hey Mark, What church would that be? |
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