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6921 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 5912 | ||
Joe, thanks for your input. Your contribution to this subject has immensely helped me to understand the Calvinistic position on election and regeneration a lot more clearly. I think that where we disagree (the "heart" of the matter) is where Christ's blood falls into all of this. If we go all the way back to the original question that started this whole thread, then we see that there is a question of Christ dying only for certain people, or making a distinction thereof. My position is that He died for everyone and yours is that He died only for those who will inherit salvation. Is there any reconciliation here? Perhaps you have already answered the question about satan and how he now stands condemned (because of Christ's Victory on the cross and Resurrection), and how satan no longer holds the keys to sin and death. From your point of view, I presume that it would be possible to assume that satan could continue to have power over those who have not been divinely chosen. However, since I believe that Christ's victory is an open invitation for all to come to a saving knowledge of Him, I would describe the plight of the lost as: satan continues to have power over those who have not been called through a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit.Therefore, is your view "true" in the effect or consequence AFTER we receive Christ? Then a person would most certainly be considered as an elect. Is my view "true" in the effect that a person (who may or may not become saved) may receive salvation? (My view: that Christ's blood was shed for all people) I know that we cannot comprehend or explain the unexplainable. But it is interesting in light of ancient Israel of how God chose just one small group of people for His inheritance. Did all of those other peoples and countries die in their sins? That is a question for only God to answer. As for ancient Israel, only a small number of people (compared with the world at large) knew about the true God and only those would inherit salvation. This fact is interesting in light of what we are talking about. However, Jesus made salvation possible for every kind of people (not just the Jews, but also for the Gentile) as seen in Acts 10:9-18. But in the book of Acts, we read about different accounts back and forth about those who received Christ (the elect) and those who did not (the condemned) wherever Paul went. Since Christ's free gift (at the point of His Resurrection) was accepted by some in the other places where Paul went, would this also give credence to the belief that Christ died for the sins of all? Thanks for the discussion. -Nolan | ||||||
6922 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 5909 | ||
Yes, I agree that Jeremiah was chosen before birth to his calling that he would later realize when the Holy Spirit prompted him to fulfill his calling. God knew that Jeremiah would do this in His foreknowledge. However, Jeremiah still had to cooperate with the Holy Spirit working in his life, and he did- proving to be faithful, carrying out God's purpose. He didn't decide to flee to Nineveh like Jonah did, and for that Jeremiah is to be commended for willingly following the Lord like all who are so called (or elected) should. | ||||||
6923 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 5908 | ||
The word of God is specific in that there will be some that are saved, and at that- very few. (sadly)..However, your first option in the paragraph about the blood of Christ is where I disagree. I agree that God foreknew us and set us apart as His elect people upon the moment of salvation. I also agree that human beings cannot save themselves. The Holy Spirit must effect the new birth. Where I disagree is that through the blood of Jesus, He provided redemption for all humankind, making it possible for all humans to be saved. (Titus 2:11, 1 Timothy 2:6, etc) But Christ's atonement becomes effective only for those who believe in Jesus. I believe that this is the "heart" or center of our disagreement. You said that if this was true, then all mankind would be saved. I do not understand that scenario: if Christ died for all humanity, how does this lead to all humanity being saved if the people do not respond to Christ's invitation? If Christ's redemptive power only becomes active when a person accepts Christ, then how is it that you come to the conclusion that all humanity is saved if Christ died for all of the sins of humanity? Therefore, it is a 'gift unopened', a gift that is not opened and forgotten about (to one who rejects Christ). And they reject Christ, paying for their sins forever.I apologize for trying to bring humanity into the equation, but I needed to know where those who believe in the Calvinist side of this issue draw the line in the regeneration process, and I have learned a great deal about that through these posts.Thanks for your input. Blessings, Nolan | ||||||
6924 | Where are guardian angels mentioned? | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 5904 | ||
Dear friend Charis! Thank you for your response. No, I didn't lose sleep over this question (being in a different time zone :) ).. Yes, I read Acts 12:15 and came to the conclusion that this was not supportive of the theory of guardian angels either. Hebrews 1:14 comes the closest to giving evidence for guardian angels, but one cannot base a belief of guardian angels on that since it only mentions angels as 'ministering spirits'.. I agree with you that the idea of everyone having their own individual angel is hard to grasp. If something were to happen to us, like a car accident, then we ask "Where was my angel?". It is good to keep in mind that God uses adversity to help develop our 'faith muscles' (James 1:2-4). And even though God may not always remove us from the midst of adversity, He will always walk with us through the adversity (Psalm 23:4). So either way, God knows all and sees all, but these verses alone are not conclusive enough (for me) to prove that we each have a guardian angel that is stationed or commissioned to us. | ||||||
6925 | Difference between exegesis/eisogesis?i | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 5878 | ||
What is the difference between exegesis and eisogesis? | ||||||
6926 | Does consciousness vanish at death? | Phil 1:23 | Makarios | 5877 | ||
Does consciousness vanish at the moment of death? | ||||||
6927 | Biblical support for animals in heaven? | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 5876 | ||
Is the possibility for animals having an afterlife Biblically based? | ||||||
6928 | Babies in heaven when they die? | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 5875 | ||
Do babies and little children go to heaven at the moment of death? | ||||||
6929 | Binding and Loosing power over darkness? | Matt 18:18 | Makarios | 5874 | ||
Does the reference to 'binding' and 'loosing' in Matthew 18:18 indicate that we have authority over the powers of darkness? | ||||||
6930 | Do all angels have wings? | Is 6:1 | Makarios | 5872 | ||
In Isaiah 6:1-5, the seraphim are described as having wings. The cherubim in Ezekiel 1:6 also have wings. The angels that John saw in his vision have wings (Rev. 4:8). However, many other Bible verses about angels make no mention of wings (ex. Heb. 13:2). Do all angels have wings? | ||||||
6931 | Where are guardian angels mentioned? | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 5871 | ||
There is a passage in Acts 12:15 where a woman named Rhoda mistakens Peter for his angel. I presume that this verse, along with Matthew 18:10, 2 Kings 6:17, Luke 16:22, Matthew 26:53 and Psalm 91:9-11 help to support the idea of a 'guardian angel'.. Blessings, Nolan | ||||||
6932 | T-Rex and Noah | OT general | Makarios | 5868 | ||
Which verse are you referring to? If you read the posts on Dinosaurs in the Forum, then you can see where exactly people are coming from when they speak of Dinosaurs in the Bible. (Search command at the right) | ||||||
6933 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 5866 | ||
Christ suffered God's wrath and paid the penalty for all of man's sin on the cross. I agree that if you believe in limited atonement, then unconditional election or Calvinism isn't far behind. However, if you believe in unlimited atonement, then Arminianism isn't far behind. There is also enough Scripture to back up unlimited atonement. First of all, God elected people to salvation who He foreknew would OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL believe in Christ and persevere in the faith. Second, in His atonement at the cross, Jesus provided the redemption for all humankind, making all humankind savable. But Christ's atonement becomes effective only for those who believe in Jesus. Third, human beings cannot save themselves. The Holy Spirit must effect the new birth. Fourth, prevenient grace from the Holy Spirit enables the believer to respond to the gospel and cooperate with God in salvation. Fifth, believers have been empowered by God to live a victorious life, but they are capable of turning from grace and losing their salvation. | ||||||
6934 | Holy Spirit's power of Conviction | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 5865 | ||
Amen Brother!! The Holy Spirit convicts us of sin and gives us the power to choose Jesus! Praise the Lord that we have a mind and conscience and know that the ruler of this world stands condemned!! Amen Brother! | ||||||
6935 | Not my will? | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 5864 | ||
derived from it! | ||||||
6936 | Holy Spirit's power of Conviction | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 5863 | ||
Then how were you saved? Were you not of the world when you began and started life? Was there not a point in your life when you accepted Christ? If so, why were you not saved and considered an 'elect' at the moment of conception? | ||||||
6937 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 5862 | ||
There are more problems with saying that certain people are predestined to hell then there are with saying that God is sovereign and knows who is going where but still extends His hand out to humanity, so those who have not chosen Him would come to Him. I do not believe in universalism. I agree that universalism is not biblical. However, I cannot understand Calvinism and I am as Arminianist as one can get. | ||||||
6938 | Not my will? | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 5861 | ||
You just contradicted yourself by saying that we have a 'choice'.. Just what do you mean by this?? We have a choice to do what and why?? Did Eve have a choice in the garden of Eden or did God predestine her to sin? Was this the will of God? God never contradicts Himself, so I am convinced that it was not God's will for Eve to sin. So if it wasn't God's choice for Eve to sin then it was Eve's choice. Therefore, she made a 'choice' to become like God and do that which God forbade her and Adam to do. And by this choice, we are here in our limited minds trying to comprehend things that are eternal. | ||||||
6939 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 5860 | ||
I disagree with your theory of predestination and cannot walk away from your above post without being outright confused by how you feel about this subject.God is sovereign, omniscient and all knowing (one point in which we agree, I hope). This includes knowing the eternal destiny of every man's spirit after they die. (Still in agreement?) Is it not correct that we are alive today on the earth? If we are, are there people that are getting saved every day? If so, then why? Why weren't they saved yesterday? Would have people in foreign lands have been saved if it were not for the efforts of our brothers and sisters who minister to them every day (missionaries)? If every one is 'predestined', then why are missionaries wasting their time? What is the point of planting a seed, watering it and watching it grow? Where is the harvest? Oh I see it now!! We should just sit by and watch the harvest die, without showing them access to the Way that will save them. They are predestined right? They will turn to God on their own, we don't need to worry about them.. They are all predestined to hell anyways, right?If the unsaved in my own family are predestined to hell, then should I give up on praying for their salvation, being a Christian witness to them and showing them love in Jesus' name? I shouldn't even bother, they are all predestined to hell anyways.Where is the love in that? The whole idea of predestination is full of pride. Are you seriously any better than anyone else? Do you not know the criteria to becoming saved? You made a decision- to follow Christ. And this is the best decision that you could ever make! Have you ever sang the song, "I have decided to follow Jesus"? No turning back, no turning back. You could have become an atheist like several people I know. In fact, one of my atheist friends decided to choose Christianity instead, and I know that he could probably argue against your point a lot more solidly than I ever could.But all atheists are predestined to hell anyways, so there is no need at all to try to witness to them. | ||||||
6940 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 5858 | ||
Joe, there are numerous exhortations in Scripture to turn to God (Isaiah 31:6, Joel 2:13, Acts 3:19 for example) to repent (Matthew 3:2, Luke 13:3,5, Acts 2:38, 17:30), and to believe (John 6:29, Acts 16:31, 1 John 3:23). So why would God waste his time with us living our lives if man's will wasn't free in this regard? Scripture indicates that 'election' is based on God's foreknowledge of who would respond positively to such exhortations (Romans 8:28-30, 1 Peter 1:1).I am not interpreting Scripture in every way possible just to back up my point. I could accuse you of the same thing. And Romans 3:10-18, John 6 and Romans 9 do not refute the idea of man's free will. Please show me in these verses where it 'soundly' says so.I really don't understand what you mean by "propitiation in theory", but in Scripture, Christ died for and has appeared to all men, not merely the elect (Titus 2:11, 1 Timothy 2:6, 4:10, Hebrews 2:9, 1 John 2:2).As for Norman Giesler, I don't even know the guy! And it is not for us to determine who Christ died for, since it is clear that Christ died for all, the righteous and the unrighteous, so that we would have the opportunity to choose Him. Try to look at Scripture and see where it says that God cares for and loves all men (John 3:16) and sent His Son to die for all, being the perfect Sacrifice, once for all. If I have knowledge but not love, have I gained anything? God does not create people to hate them. This simple fact will refute your theories of predestination and show how flawed and incomplete they really are. | ||||||
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