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4881 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14950 | ||
Debbie to preserve peace let's go with your thoughts on the falling away, it works for me. As far as nearly saved Christians getting saved after they see the rapture, while I like the picture the Left Behind books painted, I don't think it is right. If people can't be Christian now when is cost them nothing what makes anyone think they will when it will cost their lives. I imagine the near Christians will be the first to accept whatever explanation is given for the missing people. Remember this is going to be a very very troubling and trying times, cool heads and logical thinking will simply cease to exist. Additonally I believe the Holy Spirit is needed for salvation and I believe heaven's focus will be on the Jew. The Word has warned us repeatedly to get serious that time was running out, God has given plenty of warning. I think many will find it is just to late after the rapture occurs. I think there are many today that are playing Christianity and expect to get serious at death or after they see the rapture and I really believe for them it will be to late. |
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4882 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14942 | ||
Been there done that, know all about horses. Just grab their ear and twist or was it just whisper. Oh well Hehah! |
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4883 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14941 | ||
Charis your absolutely right and that is exactly the reason I tried to get this stopped before it started. Now I find myself a major contributor to this debacle. I can’t resist a revelation discussion, I try but I can’t. Pray for me. Everyone is worried about the Christians that are going to slip away, it’s going to happen look at 2 Thess. 2:3 “a great falling away”. Everyone is taking about a big revival, that revival isn’t to the church it is to the Jew. The church is going to experience a great falling away. As I have said at the beginning too much is not known, we know some things have been intentionally kept from us Rev 10:4. All of this is just speculation and conjecture and serves no real us other than to feed our curiosity. The time spend on this already could have been better spent praying for our nation, our government, our families. Your also right this hasn’t blown up because no real dissenter has added his two cents. But there is enough ammunition now in this thread so that it could take weeks to calm down should it blow. Besides I just about said everything I wanted to about Revelation :-). In any case we already decided it was Nolan’s fault ;-) |
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4884 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14938 | ||
Nolan 1 Thess. 4:16-17 can't be return of Christ, since Acts 1:11 tells us he will return with faces looking up. In 1 Thess. 4:16-17 the saint meet him and there is no indication of Him actually appearing to earth. Jesus also can't return mid trib since as you stated he will slay the antichrist (confine him to the lake of fire) but not until after the antichrist has defiled the temple and killed many Jews. That would be the last part of the Trib. Most mid tribs believe Jesus will return for them but it will not be Jesus 2nd coming but rather just as the name implies the rapture. Most everyone believe Jesus' second coming will be at the end of the Trib. Rev 19. The two witnesses are ministry to the Jew and nothing else. I doubt many gentile will even be concerned about them, with the exception of those the behold their awesome wrath. Many speculate on who the two witnesses can be. First they have to be two men that are Hebrew, which eliminates everyone before Abraham. Second they have to be men the Jews would listen too, since they are going to tell them they have been wrong all this time. Third they have to be men of power but humbleness since God requires the Glory. Most believe that can only be Moses and Elijah. But Abraham himself, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David, Elisha, Samuel, and practically any other OT prophet would fit the bill |
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4885 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14934 | ||
It seems to make sense since Daniel was definitely a prophet to the Jews and never was given a view of the church. Yet was given what many take to be a view of end times prophecy. It would all full into place remove the church and then the focus would back on the Jew. Many hold Revelation chapters 1-3 are continuing messages to the church. Chapter 4 presents John's experience in the rapture and chapters 5-19 are written to the Jew and 20-22 to God's total family. |
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4886 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14933 | ||
He is one of the best! | ||||||
4887 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14917 | ||
Aw! Now we are getting where I hoped to be. Who is going to get saved during the Millennium? Most teach it is who so ever will, however I think the whole is about Israel and and I don't see many outside of Israel getting saved. It might be the whole nation will come to saving knowledge and be preserved by God's intervention and they will be the ones entering the Millennium. | ||||||
4888 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14916 | ||
Tim I agree and as he establishes power there will many that resist him. That is to be expected as he forces peace and insures Israel's safety. However after he gains power and before he declares himself God most think all resistance will be stopped. At the time the false prophet proclaims him most feel he will dominate the world. Others believe this passage is talking of Antiochus Epiphanes whose exploits model these verses almost exactly and make sense in view of the preceding chapters and verses. Dr David Jeremiah in his wonderful book “The Handwriting on the Wall” feels this is a picture of the Battle of Armageddon. Where the Antichrist will lead three forces against Israel, the Revived Roman Empire, an Islamic coalition, a force from the far east China, Japan and etc. All other players are either destroyed or so weakened as not to be important. America is thought to have either met that fate or cast it’s lots with the Revised Roman Empire. |
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4889 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14915 | ||
Nolan I did not say when the rapture would occur. I can see the rapture occur at the beginning, I can see the rapture occur in the middle and I can even be convinced it would occur during the Jesus second comming. However I believe it is most likely pre or mid. What will happen is during the Ez. 38 battle God will intervene and Israel will be spared total destruction and a man, the antichrist, will have a prescription for peace. Eventually all power will be handed over to him | ||||||
4890 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14914 | ||
That is possible but implications are that everyone man standing will be fighting on one side or the other. | ||||||
4891 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14893 | ||
Tim I don't mean to challenge you here but show me the passaged the indicate nations will rebel against the anti-christ. Doesn't the Word say all will be forced to take the mark and with out it you can't buy or sell? 3.5 years is a long time to go without being able to buy food. Also aren't God's plagues coming against all those that don't carry his mark. So if the Antichrist doesn't get you, the plagues, natural disasters, and being not able to buy food probably will. |
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4892 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14891 | ||
Nolan I do not believe Jerusalem will ever again be out the Israel's hands until the Antichrist sits on throne. In Ez. 38 God will stop the war and save Israel I believe Gog and Magog are spiritual princes, one is of Islam and the other of territory north of Israel. I believe unless God intervenes this time we will see these two princes raise up a Muslim jihad to storm against Israel, with a force mighty enough to destroy Israel. Just as God did in the six day war, God will intervene and stop the war. Then a man will come on the scene with a plan and will make a covenant that will insure Israel peace of at least 7 years. That man will eventually be revealed as the antichrist in the middle of that 7 year period and will declare himself God. | ||||||
4893 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14885 | ||
First there is death in the millennium, so there has to be natural people. Resurrected saints are promised imperishable body so they can't die. Going into the tribulation are two groups of people one that will take the mark of the beast and those that won’t. Of the group that won’t they will either be raptured or killed for their belief. Those that take the mark will most probably be killed at Armageddon. I believe the saints that have died in Christ and the raptured saints will rule with Christ during the millennium but I believe they are going to rule natural people and my question is where do these natural people come from. Are they people that took the mark but were given a second chance? Are not all those that don’t take the mark going to be killed? |
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4894 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14880 | ||
Nolan the people in the Millenium will be natural people they will die. So they can't be the people of the rapture since these will have transformed bodies that are eternal. They can't be people that died since we only die once. The people of the rapture will govern with Christ but the Bible implies they will govern natural people, my question is where did these natural people come from. I see two groups of natural people in the Tribulation, those that took the mark of the Beast and they will be destroyed at Armageddon, and people that get saved and by doing so will have an automatic death sentence | ||||||
4895 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14879 | ||
Tim I did not give my position on the rapture. And your right it is all Nolan's fault :-) |
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4896 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14872 | ||
No not really. However though much time and study trying to fit the pieces together logic dictates it can only happen certain ways. However that is wisdom of man and the Bible tells us God laughs at. | ||||||
4897 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14869 | ||
You made a statement here, " During that time, I believe people can and will come to Christ, but it will be extremely difficult. It will also be an automatic death sentence." My feelings exactly but where does the people that will go through the millenium come from? |
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4898 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14866 | ||
No the covenant that Daniel speaks about will be made by the Antichrist and Israel after the Battle of Ez. 38. Israel will have been turned on by every nation and will seek help from any quarter. Incidental there are meetings taking place right now in effort to have Israel's leaders declared war criminals, Zionism (the desire to bring Jews back to Israel) declared racism and Israel to be removed from the UN and treated as apartheid South Africa was. I think that would pretty much isolate Israel and make her most desperate. Look up your redeemtion drawth nigh |
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4899 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14864 | ||
Tim Let me say one additional thing here. You said what may be old hat to one may be new to another. Again since most forum participants, I think are church members, wouldn’t it behoove them to seek the answers to these type of questions first in their own church? Where they can be discipled and the teaching can be done precept on precept. So they are in one accord with the teaching of the church. I saw a guy who was in a pre trib church and basically rip it up with mid trib teaching. The Pastor rightly or wrongly had the people assured that God would preserve them from wrath, many had found peace in this, many were comforted by this. Many of the older folks were convinced the Tribulation was right around the corner and they found relief believing they would be spared from that confusion. This guy read a book on mid Trib and being a strong personality let his feelings known. He gave little regard to the damage he was doing, he gave little regard to the faith he was destroying, he gave little regard to the fear he was sowing, he wanted to prove himself right, the teaching of mid trib right and what the Pastor had taught wrong. I know the Pastor, I knew his heart he had preached what he had been taught and believed. I know the many hours he spent weeping over the blessed saints that had their world shaken beneath them. |
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4900 | Order of events at the 2nd Coming? | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 14863 | ||
Tim I think we both know there are issues that we have to stand on and issues such as pre,mid, and post that we shouldn't. You obviously insist to do this okay let's see what happens. I pray God will be glorified out of it all |
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