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4841 | Do you understand Islam vs. Christianity | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 16428 | ||
Let me correct a usage of terms here. Islam is not classified as a ‘cult’. A cult is a false derivative of an existing or orthodox religion. Islam is a classified as a ‘World Religion’, it is in itself a another religion or belief system. Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses falsely claim to be the only valid form of Christianity or the natural continuation of Judaism. Islam makes no such claim it falsely claims to be the only valid religion. While its roots are found in the Pentateuch, all focus shifts from Isaac to Ishmael. |
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4842 | Do you understand Islam vs. Christianity | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 16425 | ||
An interesting choice of words "experience". As you quite accurately stated the Quran is nothing more than the personal experiences of a man. This is why I shudder when I hear Christians state I know something is true "I experienced it." Experience is not truth! Experience is just that, 'an experience' and unless that experience lines up with the word of God it is contains no truth. I think many need to rethink what they believe especially anything that is based on experience and is not confirmed by the word of God. |
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4843 | 'Conscientious Objection' Biblical? | Ex 20:13 | EdB | 16409 | ||
Brian is it mercy or willful disobedience of God's instructions that is causing more problems? Every time man tries to do it his way, it never seems to work? Look at our penal system, if anything isn't working it is that. Maybe the problem is we want to do it our way instead of God's way. Could the problem on executions be brought on by a humanistic view of human life? | ||||||
4844 | Do you understand Islam vs. Christianity | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 16408 | ||
Mohammed does make the assertion that the Quran was from God. He would experience seizures during which he had visions that confused and frighten him. His wife convinced him this was from God. He then began to record what he saw and from that wrote the Quran. The Quran is considered to be the authoritative writings of God and supercedes the Bible in any areas of conflict. A major difference is Islam believes the Jews stole their blessings, and rewrote the Pentateuch. Islam believes the Jews exchanged the names of Ishmael and Isaac as far as an interaction between them and Abraham. In other words Ishmael being the first born received Abraham’s true inheritance not Isaac. From there the Quran follows closely the existing law of the desert or nomad peoples. Mohammed paints a picture of God most humans have of God until they experience the love and grace found in Jesus. Mohammed knowing about Jesus painted him to be a great prophet just one step removed from himself. |
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4845 | Do you understand Islam vs. Christianity | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 16377 | ||
Mohammed in around 500AD taught that Allah was to be worshipped by all the world. There were very many Arab nations and sheikdoms at the time. He knew to successfully unite these into a cohesive war machine he had to establish a national unity. He invented the nation of Islam. His call to war was take from the rich and give to the poor, along with a religious duty. Once he had accomplished a unification he then sweep through what is now Saudi Arabia capturing Mecca and Medina and much of that Middle Eastern area converting or killing the people that dwelt there. Islam later swept through the rest of the Middle East, across Northern Africa and north and west into Turkey, Afghanistan, and those countries bordering Northern Europe and Asia. Then the moors swept into part of Spain and Portugal laying siege to Italy and Greece. About this time the Christians decided it was time to defend itself, and the “Holy Lands” and the crusades began. Many atrocities occurred from both sides and the fighting and hatred grew. Eventually the Islamic tide was turned and many nations came under rule of European countries. Muslims were forced to draw back and learned to survive. Much of what went on in Yugoslavia and Balkans was predicated on the on going war between Christian and Muslims of the region. The war in the Sudan is a battle between Christians and Muslims, the war in Afghanistan was a war between Russians and the Muslims, the war in Israel is a battle between Muslim and Jew. My history might be a little rusty and I may have the events out of order, I’m doing this from recall but the jest of what I said is what happened. |
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4846 | Do you understand Islam vs. Christianity | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 16371 | ||
Islam is the religion, Muslim or Moslem is a follower of Islam. Islam is the religion based on the teachings of the prophet Mohammed. Muslim is by definition a follower of the Islamic religion and the word means surrendered to God, or one who surrenders to God. Incidently Islamic followers by definition belong to the "Nation of Islam" therefore much of their loyalites are reside there. |
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4847 | Do you understand Islam vs. Christianity | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 16369 | ||
This is historic mainline Islam, some sects push this envelop to the extreme. | ||||||
4848 | 'Conscientious Objection' Biblical? | Ex 20:13 | EdB | 16363 | ||
Sir Pent As to Matthew 26 and Luke 22, there are many reasons Jesus may have reacted the way He did. Three of the most probably are: One He didn’t want any of his disciples jailed or executed. Two Just as he didn’t call angels to defend Him he didn’t want His disciples to intervene, knowing He had to follow God’s will. Three Jesus had compassion on the servant and healed him. Let me ask you some questions, why does a person carry a sword? Do you think Jesus didn’t know his disciples were armed. Did he ever instruct them to lay down their swords other than the time he sent them out in ministry? While it is true we never see the disciples defend themselves when it comes to assaults brought on by their teaching/belief, we do have some indication that Paul defended himself when set upon by robbers (the fact he was alive). No where in the new Testament did Jesus condemn soldiers, prosecutors, or executors. Paul tells us to support our government, that it was God ordained. In fact he tells us to do so would preserve our lives. Where do you think the prohibition against execution is found in the Bible. And why do you think that passage only applies to executions and not to other forms of punishment? I really believe your whole argument is based on your exalted view of human life. God established the sanctity of life and God also established the parameters by which it is to be forfeited. You also expressed in a earlier response that by taking a life we may prevent that person from accepting salvation in Jesus. Isn’t that really limiting God? Aren’t you saying God must helplessly watched us execute someone that would have accepted Jesus if we had allowed him to live another minute, hour, week, month, year, lifetime. |
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4849 | 'Conscientious Objection' Biblical? | Ex 20:13 | EdB | 16357 | ||
Sir Pent in the case of believers I think we must depend on God for our protection, and as believers we should not kill to defend ourselves from people that would persecute us for our belief. However I think we should be prepared to defend ourselves from people that would kill us to they could then rape our children and wives. Crime carries a penalty. God gave us a definition of those crimes and the penalties for those crimes in the Pentateuch. Society and governments have accepted those definitions to establish what was acceptable within their rule. God stated if someone stole something and was caught the thief had to repay 7 fold. Our society changed that to say you go to jail, and we now have jails full of thieves. God stated if you took someone’s life you forfeited yours, society changed that and we have punks getting their kicks by killing people in drive by shootings. No one wants a criminal to go free and everyone is looking for the answer to crime in America. Does anyone think it might be found in God’s word? Go to an Islamic nation the crime for stealing is forfeiture of a hand. If your caught a second time they cut off the other hand. Walk the streets of many of these countries, you will have to hunt far and wide to find someone with a missing hand. Then walk the streets and try to find someone with both hands cut off. Am I advocating Islamic law? No! But think about it, if a thief was forced into chain gang labor until he worked off 7 fold what he stole how many thieve would we have? If these punks that get their kicks out of drive by shooting saw their friends tired and convicted and executed for killing someone how many would be prone to do it themselves? God supplied the answers to law, government and fairly applying the law, we have chosen to say it is wrong or doesn’t apply today. Why don’t we just take the Old Testament tear it out and say it doesn’t apply. And since the New Testament says nothing about rape, murder, extortion, and etc. Let’s just say they are unacceptable and the perpetuator has time out until he decides to act in an acceptable manner. I’m sure you think that is absurd but is in any more absurd than for us to think we have a better idea of crime and crime prevention than God. |
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4850 | 'Conscientious Objection' Biblical? | Ex 20:13 | EdB | 16233 | ||
I tried and I tried to restrain myself, I told myself it would serve no purpose and would probably irritate someone, but I can not sit here and read this without saying something. God established life, God established death, God outlawed murder, and God condoned execution. God made life precious by saying thou shall not kill, God also established the seriousness of some crimes by saying certain crimes will cause you to forfeit your right to live. Jesus died for our sin, sin is rebellion against God and God’s laws, Jesus did not die to pay for our crimes against society. If a man commits a bank robbery, is caught and convicted and sentenced to prison, then becomes a born again believer surely you do not think he should be released. Why not? However you say if a man murders someone, is caught convicted and sentenced to die. This wrong. Why? If God said some crimes are serious enough to warrant execution how can you say that has changed? Jesus told Peter in Matthew 26:52 “But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.” What he was saying was if you kill this man you will be arrested and then executed. He did not call the process wrong. |
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4851 | Non-denominational theology? | John 3:16 | EdB | 16172 | ||
Veryprecious First “Sspin” is a user Id of the person that asked the original question. Liturgical by definition is using a liturgy. Liturgy is merely a system of worship. Many times liturgy is used to refer to the Book of Common Prayer used in many churches. While the Book of Common Pray is a liturgy it is not in itself the definition. A liturgy is any form of worship that has become standard within the church whether formalized by documenting (such as the Book of Common Prayer) or just done out of habit. Many churches consider themselves to be non liturgical in that they follow no written form of worship however they are still very liturgical in that they always do the same things at the same place in worship from one service to another. I attended a very anti liturgical church that practiced this. They always opened service with 3 praise songs (choruses) 3 worship songs (choruses), spoke a prayer, took the offering, did special music (solo or choir), preached a sermon, had altar time and gave a benediction. That was a liturgy, therefore they were liturgical. Many believe to be liturgical you must preach a canned sermon and say canned prayers and nothing could be further from the truth. I trust this will clear up your confusion. Be blessed and be a blessing EdB |
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4852 | Should Christians practice nonresistance | Lev 26:6 | EdB | 16065 | ||
Sir Pent I fail to see how you reach your conclusions but in the spirit of brotherhood and with a certain trepidation of discussing such a delicate topic in the light of what has just happened I think it best to drop this. I too share your hope that we will grow and learn together. I have enjoyed much of our past discussions and find myself at a lost to understand this impasse. However I know there is a reason for all things. I still wish you would change your id :-) I really really hate snakes! My daddy always taught me there was only one good kind of snake, the kind that was in three pieces! Ed |
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4853 | Should Christians practice nonresistance | Lev 26:6 | EdB | 16055 | ||
Sir Pent Forgive my bluntness but unless I am reading a different thread you did say it was inconsistent to be against abortion and be for the death penalty yet that is exactly God’s position. He said thou shall not kill and yet prescribed a death penalty for those caught in adultery. By saying what you said isn’t that indirectly saying you judge God as being inconsistent? I’m not trying to put you on the spot or be belligerent here, but I am trying to make a point. People’s view of the death penalty is based on their sensitivities and not on the word of God. We hold life dear not because it has any intrinsic value (other than to us) :-) but rather because God says it has value. What I find to be the problem is we arel willing use God’s standard to put value on life but we refuse to use God’s standard to set penalties for crime. I’m not real sure what point your making about reading all you past post and whether I responded to them or not. And I’m not real sure what me liking or disliking your id has to do with this conversation. I apologize to you for anything I have said that offended you. I was not attacking you but rather the defense you presented of your position on execution. You may be the most God fearing person alive for all I know and I pray you are. However the position of comparing abortion and execution as you stated and to which I responded to, to me was in direct opposition to the truth found in God. I pray we are and remain brothers in Christ, and your right I did enjoy and in fact used the example you gave of the 10 fields. Again I was not questioning your Christian walk, I was questioning your support of abolishment of the execution for the reasons you stated. Ed |
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4854 | Should Christians practice nonresistance | Lev 26:6 | EdB | 16042 | ||
Typo the last sentence of my response to this thread should read. 'Execution is the forfeiture of life by someone that has refused to live by God’s standards.' SORRY about that! |
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4855 | Non-denominational theology? | John 3:16 | EdB | 16039 | ||
VeryPrecious Reread this thread, there was a question on the differences between denominationalism and non denominationalism. You responded with a generalizations based on your experience rather than fact. I then pointed out what you had said was not true in all cases and not a difference at all but rather what you had experienced. You then replied “Same here” and then repeated your same inaccurate comparison and generalization. The matter of whether a church follows a strict form of worship or not has nothing to do with it being either denominational or non denominational. The form of worship is usually decided by the Pastor and his advisors (elders, deacons, etc.), if there are any, and something found to be satisfactory with the general congregation. I understand non denominational churches tend to be looser than non denominational churches but to make the comparison as you did incorrectly answers the question. I see you’re a scholar and I’m sure you want to give accurate answers to questions, it is for this reason I’m pointing this out to you. Please forgive my forwardness, I’m really trying to be a blessing rather than a pain. What your describing is basically seen as the difference between liturgical churches and non liturgical churches. Liturgical churches have a prescribed form of worship and rarely if ever deviate from that schedule. However there are both denominational liturgical churches and non denominational liturgical churches just as there are denominational and non denominational non liturgical churches. Even this isn’t a complete answer to the point you raise as many churches that are non liturgical have a pattern of worship from which they never stray. That in itself become liturgical even though they vehemently deny any form of liturgy. This occurs also in denominational and non denominational churches. When Sspin responds to Hanks question, we then will be able to begin to understand and answer his question |
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4856 | Should Christians practice nonresistance | Lev 26:6 | EdB | 16027 | ||
Sir Pent I have hesitated answering your statement in light of the events of yesterday 9/11/01. It is with a heavy heart I even venture near it, and I only do so because I think this topic may be more relevant as we see event unfold in the days ahead. Think about what you said. ”I find it inconsistent to support the taking of human life for one reason (capital punishment), and oppose it for another (abortion).” What your saying here is God is inconsistent and you don’t agree. It was God that gave value to human life “thou shall not kill” not you or I or our feelings. It was also God that said if one is found guilty of certain crimes he was to be executed. Again God did not consult anyone else’s feelings on the matter, god didn’t need to He is God. When we take God’s law and interpret or apply it different than God prescribed it, then we are saying, “God, you don’t know what your talking about and we are going to run things”. Then you said, “I also agree with Brian G. when he says, "When we begin accepting the destruction of life from one perspective, then it becomes easier to end life from other perspectives. The different acceptable reasons for destroying life begin to feed upon each other." Killing is desensitizing.” Again you have us establishing perspective, and our sensitivities. It was God’s perspective not ours to forbid murder. It was because of God and His perspective that we view human life the way we do. It was also God’s perspective that said if a person refuses to live within these boundaries he (the criminal) then must forfeit his life. You think your flesh had sensitivities about killing someone? You were born with a sin nature, the same as Cain, you could kill in a minute if it hadn’t been for the sensitivities you developed from God’s law. Then your bold enough to say it goes against my sensitivities to execute someone found in violation of God’s law. Excuse me! Your whole argument is based on human feelings, perspectives and sensitivities. My friend that is humanism, and exactly the kind that is invading the church today. Let God be the standard. Let God be our perspective, let God mold our sensitivities. You said all the execution laws are in the Old Testament, your right and so are all the thou shall not kill, steal and lie. Again the law carries two aspects: Sin, rebellion against it, which is rebellion against God and carries spiritual penalties and societal, which is crime against society, which carries physical punishment. Jesus did not come to change the law but to fulfill it. He did not eliminate it. Jesus came to reconcile us to God when we sin, to restore us spiritually. However His death did not effect the law as far as it’s hold on society and the physical aspects of life. No where is there any teaching of the elimination of execution for crimes that prescribed such. Lastly to put execution in the same class as abortion is an insult to every child that was murdered for convenience and profit. Abortion is the taking of the life by murder of an innocent unborn child. Execution is the is forfeiture of life by someone that we refused to live by God’s standards. |
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4857 | Non-denominational theology? | John 3:16 | EdB | 16023 | ||
Veryprecious, what you describe has nothing to do with denominationalism or non denominationalism! What you describe just happens to be the style of worship of the churches your familiar with. I have been in denominational churches and experienced similar occurrences and I have been in non denominational churches and witnessed a rigidity of form that made an “I” beam seem pliable. | ||||||
4858 | Should this verse apply today? | Matt 15:4 | EdB | 15851 | ||
In this particular case is not the inverse also implied that your days will be shortened if you don't honor your parents. If in your argument the promise applies doesn't the inverse also? I also disagree with your interpretation that our freedom from the law applies to the condemnation inherent in breaking it. If your talking spiritual condemnation your right, however there is the societal aspects that must be considered. While we are not under the law we still do not condone murder, lying or thievery. Each still carry with it a punishment. Dishonoring a parent still has a God given societal punishment with it. The question is are we right or wrong for ignoring God’s prescription for breaking that commandment? |
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4859 | Should Christians practice nonresistance | Lev 26:6 | EdB | 15849 | ||
Angie the death penalty is not murder, the death penalty is an execution. Taking of one’s life is not always murder and sometimes it is required. Notice no Apostle or Bible martyr ever used as argument in their defense about a forth coming execution as violating the commandment thou shall not kill. In fact Paul told us to be in submission to our government. Death occurs in executions and war and these were not being referenced in the commandment not to kill. Many places in the Bible clearly prescribes execution for unsuitable behavior, and when executed quickly and publicly it is a proven deterrent to crime. Consider also there were many executions during the time of Christ, no where is it recorded that Jesus preached against this. In fact the implication was the treatment and punishment of criminals was understood and accepted. Also consider no where does the Bible tell soldiers to lay down their weapons, in fact when a soldier asks how he should conduct himself he was told to treat people fairly Luke 3:13. |
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4860 | Should this verse apply today? | Matt 15:4 | EdB | 15846 | ||
This too is an interesting question, one where most Christians claim liberty that they are not under the law. However there is promise that accompanied the commandment this law was based on. It says that if you honor your parents you will add years to your life. I have never found a Christian that didn’t claim that part of the law. :-) We can’t have it both ways. |
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