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41 | making wine.Did Jesus make a mistake. | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68668 | ||
retxar, Your insight to this thread has clearly answered some old questions of "to drink or not to drink". I have included a small portion from my notes on this topic: The word, "wine" in the Bible is an generic term. Sometimes it means fresh grape juice, other times it means alcoholic drinks. The context always shows when "wine" refers to Alcoholic drinks. How does it do that? For example, in Genesis chapter 9, God shows Noah's experience with wine. God shows that Noah "drank of the wine, and was drunken", showing the bad effects of the wine and the results of his drinking it. The context will always show if it is wine by the warnings or results that are listed by the Lord. A. Wine - fruit of the vine. Deut. 11:4; 2 Chr. 31:5; Neh. 13:15; Pr. 3:10; Isa. 16:10, 65:8; 1 Tim 5:23. All of these verses show that the context shows wine is grape juice. Christians often use 1 Tim. 5:23 as an excuse to drink. Paul was advising Timothy to drink GRAPE JUICE to help his troublesome stomach. Clearly, Timothy had stomach problems. Any Doctor will tell you a person with stomach trouble needs to avoid alcohol; it will make it worse. Would Paul want to hurt him? or make him violate Scriptures? B. Wine - alcoholic drinks. In the following verses, a partial list, we will see something interesting. Proverbs 20:1 "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." We notice the word "deceived" in this verse. Wine is deceptive; but how? In the very way that people advocate today, that drinking a little bit will not hurt. Everyone readily admits that drinking too much is bad; even the alcohol companies tell us not to drink and drive, but they advocate that "a little bit won't hurt!" This is deceptive. How? No one knows how much is a little bit for each person. Each person is different. Even the "experts" differ on how much is a "little bit". When a person drinks, the alcohol causes them to make rather bad decisions, do things that they would not sober. In this way, it is deceptive. It makes you think you are making good choices when you are not. Drinking and Driving is not a good choice, but many people do. Noah is an example of this. Would he normally be laying in his tent naked? No. A person in a tent keeps their clothes on- who knows who will walk in? Noah got drunk, uncovered himself (no doubt because he was hot), and the rest is history. Wine deceives us into doing foolish things; therefore it says "whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." Proverbs 23:29-32 "Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? "They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine." "Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright." "At the last it biteth like an serpent, and stingeth like an adder." Clearly, from these verses, this is alcoholic wine. Grape Juice does not cause woe, sorrow, contentions (fighting), babbling, imagined slights, or red eyes. Alcohol does. All of us know someone who has lost family or friends due to drinking through liver damage, drunk drivers, alcohol poisoning. Alcoholic has brought more untold sorrow and grief than all the wars in the world. Clearly, the context here is alcoholic wine, and God warns against it! |
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42 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68803 | ||
John, Part 1 I will answer your post in two parts, as there is no possible way for me to briefly address your doubt's. First reason; The making of Alcoholic drink is not strictly a natural process. Many take for granted that if you take the juice of a grape, and let it sit, not refrigerating it, it would automatically turn into wine. This is not true. It takes more than time to make wine. People try to defend drinking with the idea that since God made grapes, alcoholic drink must be OK. But the fact is, God did not make alcohol! Man has learned how to make alcoholic liquors through processes that he has invented. Wine makers know that one must have the correct amount of water, sugar and temperature to make wine. Keeping grape juice in a refrigerator would prevent fermenting, because the temperature is not right. Likewise, hot, tropical temperatures would prevent fermentation. In ancient days, before we had refrigeration, people learned how to preserve the juice of the grape without turning it into alcoholic wine. Many people boiled it down into a thick syrup, preserving it for long periods of time. When they got ready to drink it, they would simply add water to the consistency desired, in much the same way we take frozen concentrates and add water. In Bible days, contrary to what most believe, it was not necessary for everyone to drink alcoholic wine as a table beverage. The making of wine, therefore, requires input from man. It requires certain additives, such as sugar, and the control of temperature, etc. The natural processes will produce fermentation under certain circumstances, that is true, but those processes lead quickly to turning the wine to vinegar. The natural process is perverted by man. Alcoholic drinks must be produced by man, using invented processes, not natural processes. ********************************* Jesus did not drink alcohol or make alcoholic drinks. Heb. 7:26 "For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;" The second reason is because of His Holy Nature. No doubt, the Saviour had an air of holiness about Himself that could be seen by the most simple of people. The words of Jesus were different, He had a very holy appearance, character and speech. Why is this so important? Consider this illustration. Suppose we lived during the 1920's prohibition days, and were approached by people offering us a drink of cider. Now, "cider" may mean an alcoholic drink, or plain apple juice. One of the persons, we knew to be one of the holiest men in town, faithful to the house of God, separated from the world, diligent in prayers, always witnessing to others; the other was a known liquor dealer. If each one offered us a drink of "his very own cider", we would assume that the holy person's cider was no more than apple juice, while there would be no doubt about the liquor dealer's cider! Clearly, the character of a person influences what he does. Since Jesus Christ was "holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners", we may safely assume He would not make what is called in Scripture "a mocker and deceiver of men," causing untold misery. (con't.) |
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43 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68804 | ||
(con't.) Part 2 Third reason; 1. John 2, the miracle of turning water to wine, does not require that it be alcoholic. Many insist that on the basis of verse 10 in that chapter, that the wine must have been alcoholic. They would say that, in those days, it was common to serve the best alcoholic wine first, saving the worse until later, when men's tongues have been dulled by much drinking. They miss the point here! The words, "well drunk" in this passage mean, "to be filled up", such as "well drunk up". They show their ignorance of Scripture and Old English language meanings, as well as today's word meanings! The fact is, neither the wine which they had at first, nor the one Christ made, was alcoholic. Would Jesus join with Evil? Or violate the verse "Abstain from all appearance of evil" in 1 Thess. 5:22? 2. This next reason is found the same passage as 1.) In verse 11, Jesus "Manifested forth his glory". Would Jesus have gotten more glory by making people drunk? If they had indeed been already intoxicated as the people mentioned in 1.) advocate, would He have gotten more glory by making them more drunker? . 3. This reason is found in the passage mentioned in 1.) also. In verse 11, we notice that as a result of what He did, "the disciples believed on him." Would making alcoholic drink do that? Since John 1:41 shows that they already believed on Him as Messiah, this must mean a deepening of their faith and a proof that they had not been wrong. Would getting people drunk do this? On the contrary! Thus, because of the description of this miracle and it's result, we cannot conclude otherwise but that this wine was non-alcoholic. 4. 1 Cor. 6:9-10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, or effeminate, or abusers of themselves with mankind," "Nor theives, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." God makes His position clear; drinking alcoholic wine and strong drink is against His Word. It is Sin, pure and simple. "Social drinking" is but one part of this sin. God is not a killjoy. He is warning us for our own sakes! God Bless |
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44 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68827 | ||
Proverbs 31:4-5 "It is not for kings. O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink." Lest they drink and forget the law, and pervert the judgement of any of the afflicted." The danger for kings and princes is clear. If they drink, they will forget the law, and make wrong judgements. "The only accepted use of alcohol" in the Bible is verses 6 and 7 of the same chapter: "Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine to those that be of heavy hearts." "Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more." This is clearly what the scriptures teach. Thank you for your response also. As you can see, this topic was orignally posted last year, and will be brought up again, no doubt, in the future :) God bless |
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45 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68846 | ||
John, "But" this view does not take into account the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer." (this is what you stated). That first word (But), in the recovery world is always viewed as a denial word, for me this is a red flag. However, I post the following in terms that I hope you will find easy to follow; I have spent time talking with alcoholics who want to stop, but they have difficulty because it is a drug that is chemically addictive. Almost all of them say it's like a demon that has control of their lives. And because it is addictive, it becomes a self-inflicted disease. They simply cannot stop drinking, they say, even though they know it will destroy them and everyone around them. The compulsion to drink is so deep that they often resort to stealing, lying and cheating just to get a drink. I believe that God, through his Holy Spirit can heal them, but the temptation to drink -- and there are those in this boat in practically every church in America -- seldom goes away. A little taste of alcohol, or watching a respected leader have a beer, or being in the wrong place at the wrong time, can help set it off. Images on television or at sporting events can also trigger the craving. The apostle Paul in Romans 14:21 tells us that we are to avoid doing things if it causes our brother to "stumble" or "is offended or is made weak," even if our conscience is O.K. on the matter. The Bible also tells us to "present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of you mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God" (Romans 12:1-2). The way I see things, just the fact that everyone seems to be drinking is not good reason to participate. Peter reminds us that we are to look at the eternal perspective in all things because we are "sojourners and pilgrims" on this earth. We're just passing through. Therefore, "abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul" (1 Peter 2:11). I can almost hear the objections now from some who might call me a "pietist." There will be some who'll accuse me of being a legalist. They might say that Psalm 104:15 declares that "wine makes glad the heart of man." Didn't they call Jesus a winebibber and a sinner? The problem is, there are many more verses warning against the abuse of alcohol. Proverbs 20:1 says "wine is a mocker," and in every place in both the Old and New Testaments, drunkenness is outright condemned. Ephesians 5:18 tells us to "not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit." This contrasts drunkenness with being Spirit-filled. When people drank wine during the time of the Bible, it was very rarely -- if ever -- done in the same manner it is today. The nature and uses of wine was different. There were certainly no bars around in the same way as there is today. Drinking was not intertwined with the entertainment and sports industry as it is today. There were no billboards and media campaigns promoting drinking that were bombarding people all day long. Instead, wine was part of the sustenance of the Middle Eastern peoples, and in some cases it was used for medicinal purposes (1 Timothy 5:23). Today it is a supplemental luxury used almost exclusively in social settings. I am convinced that the enemy of our souls wants to promote drunkenness as much as possible. He wants to keep many in a daze every moment of their lives so they never get serious with Jesus. The enemy has almost succeeded in doing this in some cultures around the world. Thank you again for your response. God bless |
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46 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68857 | ||
Joe-- "Does this "red flag" go up every time you see one of the apostles using the word "but" in Scripture, too? Please be sensible!" No, actually it has the opposite meaning in scripture, more positive meaning such as; Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Paul gives his message using, (BUT) a better way of living; Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,. "It is not the alcohol that is the "demon," though." This is true, the the problem is not the alcohol, alcohol is a solution to an addicts problem, the wrong solution. This thread is only directed to the drinking or use of wine in the form of alcohol. The use of the word (But) would require another thread :) God bless |
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47 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68915 | ||
John, Well stated! God bless |
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48 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68924 | ||
No problem. I'll let you know when there available, so you can glean :) | ||||||
49 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68933 | ||
charis, Type 68925 in the quick search and read what this person says on this topic. To drink or not to drink will always be a controversial subject. As for "been there and done that" thumbs up and bottoms up. God bless |
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50 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68939 | ||
charis, In your view; God knows each of us individually, and judges on a case-by-case basis, not according to 'absolute' set of rules and regulations: well, thumbs up(that's your opinion), and bottoms up (if you need that occassional drink). I don't find any part of this topic amusing. You already stated you don't abuse alcohol, so why would you think I was referring to you drinking excessively! If you have read through the thread there are others who agree with your stance, and those who opposse, I for one do not agree to accept this chemical as choice for medical or social use. In Christ Jesus |
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51 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68973 | ||
charis, I know that all who posted on this thread, who oppose the use of wine, will appreciate knowing it was ONLY opinion. In your doctor's opinion, you "need a drink" of wine. Not everyone on this forum will agree on ALL topics posted, but SADLY your view of manners outweigh your opinion over a substance (wine), that has destroyed many of lives. |
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52 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 68999 | ||
Edb, Not at all! Maybe not on the top ten list, but diffently not reprobate ;) God bless |
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53 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 69036 | ||
Joe-- Sure it exists, I have one, however they are currently not available, when the bible arrives they don't last long. |
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54 | word for wine in the original text? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 69038 | ||
EdB, You have "Heart"! God bless. 1Jo 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. :0 |
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55 | ILUMINA | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 70607 | ||
Johnny, You are welcome for the information. The version that is available was the New Living Translation. I am not personally familiar with this product, and I probably would like a different version. De Nada (It was nothing, it was no problem) Merry Christmas and a Blessed Happy New Year! God bless |
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56 | is masterbation a sin? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 70807 | ||
Did you hear that from a blind man! | ||||||
57 | Is suicide a sin, will you go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 71276 | ||
Do a quick search. It appears that you have answered this question. But............... We are saved by the grace of God, not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9) and nothing can separate a Christian from the love of God (Romans 8:37-39). Other verses that clearly teach assurance of salvation for the believer are: "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. -John 5:24 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand." -John 10:27-29 "And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God." -1 John 5:11-13 However, suicide is not what God wants for anyone. We have a God who loves us and cares for us and promises to meet all of our needs if we place our trust in Him (Proverbs 3:5-6). |
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58 | God is everywhere? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 73708 | ||
"how about to thoses gathered not in His name but maybe talking about lust and other evil things do you think God will be there in the midst of them." When we imagine the most evil place in the world, the darkest most horrid situation in existence, it is hard for us to imagine that God is there. In our finite minds we come to the conclusion that surely the very fact that such places exist means that God is not there. However the Bible clearly says in Psalm 139v8 "if I make my bed in hell, behold you are there". If God's presence can be in hell it is quite clear that He can be anywhere! "14 times mention this word mention "Father which is in Heaven" in the new testament at least in my KJV twice the word "which art in heaven" but nowhere mention the "which is in everwhere". Yes, however, Jesus was saying that OUR Father is in Heaven, when Christ died, He bridged that gap, now God can be in the hearts of men, everywhere, who believes God through Jesus. God bless |
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59 | God is everywhere? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 73709 | ||
Tim, ....Because it comes from an excellent source, God God bless |
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60 | God is everywhere? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 73711 | ||
Where is your biblical passages for this, again you said "God can be in the hearts of men, everywhere, who believes God through Jesus." you are right in the hearts of who believe but not in the hearts of thos who donot believed so God is not in everywhere: Rev. 3:20 God bless |
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