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41 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185985 | ||
Hi Mark. Thank you for your post. In order to answer your question, it is best to go back a few verses in this Chapter to Rom 9:10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac Rom 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), Rom 9:12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger."* Rom 9:13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."* Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! Why did God love Jacob, and hate Esau? The answer of course is "Divine foreknowledge", The Lord knew full well before these two were born exactly what each one exercising his own free will would do, and because of His foreknowledge, He loves one, and hates the other. He most certainly did not foreordain one to be good, and the other one to be evil. Such a suggestion would be a gross misrepresentation of the Lord our God. I hope this helps. Edwin. |
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42 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185945 | ||
Hi Hobbs. Please note that the first two words of the passage you are quoting are, "What if".. Paul is not saying that what follows is in fact the case, but rather.. What if it were the case? Yours in His service. ebrain. |
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43 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185880 | ||
Hi Tim. Tell me do you think that "all men", means all without exception, or all without distinction? ebrain. |
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44 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185879 | ||
When I say that I am not a Calvinist, I mean that although I accept some of what they teach, I do not accept all of what they teach. and that was all that I intended to convey.. What's more, I have no intention of being drawn into any extended debate on the pros, and cons of Calvinism, as I do not believe it would be of any spiritual benefit. ebrain. |
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45 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185876 | ||
Hi again Mark. and thank you for your input. You said. "As I use the terms "regeneration" and "re-birth", I am speaking of exactly the same thing by both. It is this deliverance that we speak of when we say "salvation." Salvation is an ongoing process that includes "regeneration", there is an order and sequence of events, for example, you are saved, you are being saved, you will be saved, sanctification is also included, whereas, "conversion", on the other hand, is a once and for all never to be repeated moment it time, You have done what Romans 10:9, tells you to do, You know that you are saved, that all your sins have been forgiven, that you have become a Christian, you now have a new life. Regeneration is what The Lord has done to you in advance, in order that you might be able to understand "Spiritual things", and therefore be able to do what Rom 10:9. tells you to do.. You go on to say. "I'm not certain. I want to be clear in what I believe. You wrote something rather intriguing: "firstly the Lord plants His seed (not the Holy Spirit)". The reason is that the Holy Spirit dose not take up residence within you, until you do what is required at,, Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, You do not receive the Holy Spirit, until you believe, and you cannot believe if God has not first planted His seed in you, therefore the Holy Spirit cannot possibly be the seed, I have already dealt with this problem to some extent when you asked a question about,, Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, and I explained at the time just how it was possible for you to be "in Him". long before you were born. Every blessing brother. Edwin. |
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46 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185818 | ||
Hi Apollos. You said. "I would also want to say that if he was seeking God before this (as he clearly was) it could only have been because God had begun to work in his heart to bring him to himself. Without that work of God no one would ever seek for God." Now have a look at. Job 1:8 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?" Job 1:9 So Satan answered the LORD and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing? Job 1:10 "Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land Tell me did Job fear God of his own free will, or as Satan said, because of what God had done for Job, when the Lord gave Satan permission to take away the blessing? And what about these verses. Eze 18:32 "For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies," says the Lord GOD. "Therefore turn and live!" Eze 33:11 "Say to them: 'As I live,' says the Lord GOD, 'I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?' Eze 18:21 "But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. Eze 18:22 "None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. Eze 18:23 "Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?" says the Lord GOD, "and not that he should turn from his ways and live? Do you mean to tell me that God said the above, knowing full well that it is an imposibility for any man to "turn from his ways and live?" |
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47 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185816 | ||
Hi Mark. What follows might be of some help. as always, I shall value your comments thereon. There are parallels in the Scriptures between how things are done in the physical world, and how things are done in the spiritual world, there is an order and a sequence, A comes before B, and never B before A. All human life starts with conception.. A seed is planted, then some 40 weeks or so later on a child is born.. The child can do nothing in the physical world until after it is born into it. 1Cr 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. The natural man needs to be born into the spiritual world, before he is able to receive the things of the Spirit of God, only then will he be able to benefit from what he reads. How is this done? Well ones ability to participate in the spiritual world takes exactly the same order and sequence, firstly the Lord plants His seed (not the Holy Spirit) into a person, this is sometimes referred to as "Re-generation", ie, the making alive again of the human spirit, the spirit that died in Adam at the fall. The natural man is now able to understand the Word, it now makes sense to him, the period of gestation is not revealed, it might be a long time, or a short time, but re-birth, never, never, proceeds re-generation. Have a look now at. Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand, NKJ. Note especially, "When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days," If I go into my back garden, and plant a seed, I cannot see it as it is bellow the surface, but in due time up comes a small green shoot, and I say "I can see my seed", what I mean of course is I can now see the result of having planted that seed in the first place. When Jesus sees you offering His soul for your sin, He is able to prolong His days, by taking up residence inside you, in the person of His other self, the Holy Spirit. His seed, that is God's Seed remains in you see. 1Jo 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. Every blessing. Edwin. |
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48 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185738 | ||
Hi Apollos. Thank you for your post.. What Paul has to say in Romans Chapter 3, has to be considered within the context of what he had already said in Ch 2, an extract from which is given bellow. Rom 2:6 who "will render to each one according to his deeds":* Rom 2:7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; Rom 2:8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness--indignation and wrath, Rom 2:9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; Rom 2:10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Rom 2:14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, Rom 2:15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) Please note especially verses 7, and 14-15.. I do not see how it is possible for "eternal life", to be given to anyone described by who Paul at. Rom 3:10 As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one; Rom 3:11 There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. He cannot possibly with these last verses be referring to all mankind at all times in history, otherwise he would be contradicting himself. I believe that all Paul is doing here in these two Chapters, is contrasting "Gentile", behavior with, "Jewish" behavior. The Jews who had the Oracles of God should have known better. A possible explanation for Ch 2, could be found at. Act 8:30 So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?" Act 8:31 And he said, "How can I, unless someone guides me?" And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him. Act 10:2 a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, who gave alms generously to the people, and prayed to God always. Act 10:3 About the ninth hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God coming in and saying to him, "Cornelius!" Act 10:4 And when he observed him, he was afraid, and said, "What is it, lord?" So he said to him, "Your prayers and your alms have come up for a memorial before God. Act 10:5 "Now send men to Joppa, and send for Simon whose surname is Peter. Please compare the following extracts, and tell me if you think there is a connection? Was Cornelius saved because of Merit? "eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;" "Your prayers and your alms have come up for a memorial before God." Every blessing. Edwin. (ebrain) |
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49 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185420 | ||
Hi Hobbs. You have said. "Now, why do I believe that what I have just said is true. Allow me to list just two verses for starts. Rom 3:10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; Rom 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;" Hobbs But what about the four words that immediately precede your Scripture quotation, namely Rom 3:10 As it is written: Now I wonder, could it possibly be that Paul might just be referring to existing Scripture of around 1000 years old at the time he wrote Romans?.. What about. Psa 14:1 PSALM 14 To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. THE fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good. Psa 14:2 The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. Psa 14:3 They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one. Psa 14:4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge, Who eat up my people as they eat bread, And do not call on the LORD? Psa 14:5 There they are in great fear, For God is with the generation of the righteous. Psa 14:6 You shame the counsel of the poor, But the LORD is his refuge. Psa 14:7 Oh, that the salvation of Israel would come out of Zion! When the LORD brings back the captivity of His people, Let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad. Psa 53:1 PSALM 53 To the Chief Musician. Set to "Mahalath." A Contemplation* of David. THE fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none who does good. Psa 53:2 God looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. Psa 53:3 Every one of them has turned aside; They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one. Psa 53:4 Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge, Who eat up my people as they eat bread, And do not call upon God? Psa 53:5 There they are in great fear Where no fear was, For God has scattered the bones of him who encamps against you; You have put them to shame, Because God has despised them. Psa 53:6 Oh, that the salvation of Israel would come out of Zion! When God brings back the captivity of His people, Let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad. Pay special attention to verse 4, in each case, and tell me is David referring to the entire human race at all times in history, or just those who were the enemies of Israel at that time? ebrain. |
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50 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185350 | ||
Hi Hobbs. You said. "I don't see this as a firm foudation for the establishment of so-called "free-will". Please read the following Scripture verses, and let me have your answer to the question I ask. Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him. Tell me did Enoch walk with God of his own free will? Gen 6:9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God. Tell me did Noah walk with God of his own free will? Job 1:8 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?" Tell me did Job fear God and shun evil of his own free will? Thank you. ebrain. |
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51 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185314 | ||
Subject: My Conversion. I was nearly 30 years old when the Lord saved me. For most of that time I was either agnostic, atheist, or indifferent. For as long as I can remember I have always had an insatiable thirst for knowledge. How does this work?. How does that work?. What makes people what they are?. When my school boy friends were out playing games like cricket, football,or chasing girls, I would be found in the local library reading room finding out as much as I could about my latest interest. With a name like Brain, and my interests it is no wonder I got the nickname Professor, or Mr know it all. I did not really care what they called me, I was a loner. I would do my own thing in my own way. I particularly enjoyed a battle of wits with anyone, as I always won, or at least I thought so. I especially looked out for people of a Religious disposition, as I really enjoyed exercising my superior knowledge, and shooting them down in flames as it were, but then one day in the late summer of 1961 when looking out of the office window where I worked, I saw in our car park a Bedford mini bus with the words "Even Christ pleased not himself" written on its side in letters of gold 3" high. I enquired whose this was, and the owner was pointed out to me. I made my mind up there and then that he would be my next victim. I met a man at work 43 years ago, and to cut a long story short he invited me to his home, to which I went for 8 successive Friday evenings, I was very much impressed with this man, he is very well educated, and also very sincere. He wanted me to become a Christian like him, and kept on asking me if I was yet ready to receive Jesus as my saviour. I told him I could say the words he wanted me to, but I knew that I would not mean it, not that I did not want to, I did, but I knew that it would not work if I didn't mean it. The problem was the enormity of my sin, which I considered to great for God to forgive. It was near to midnight, and his wife and his 5 children were all in bed. At this point the Lord caused his youngest child a girl of about 18 months to cry, he excused himself and left the room, saying I don't want my wife to be disturbed, I will go and see what is the matter. This left me alone as it were, I said to myself this man wants me to become a Christian like him, well maybe someday I will. but if I ever do then I will have to do what they do, they pray, and I don't know how to pray. I wondered what to do next, I had opened the bible a number of times whilst visiting my friend, and often found the verses that I read spoke to me powerfully, often dealing with the particular problem that I had in my mind at that moment. Now I opened it once again at random, and found myself reading Luke Ch 11 from v 1. "Teach me how to pray". The Lord spoke to me in His still small voice, and said "Why am I doing this, why am I as it were taking time off from running this vast universe to come down into this room to be with you to cause you to open my book just where I want you to open it, to read the very verse that I want you to read that tells you that I know just what your problem is, if as you say your sin is too great for me to forgive?. I had no answer for this, and with tears streaming down my face I looked up and said "Because you love me" That is how I became a Christian. The date of my conversion was the 8th of December 1961, although I did mention 8 successive Friday evenings. As I feel sure you know, 8 is the Biblical number indicating "Fresh start, new beginning". Although all this happened more than 45 years ago, it is only recently that I have seen the connection. Every blessing. Edwin. (ebrain) |
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52 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185313 | ||
Thank you Apollos for your input. Perhaps, what follows may be of assistance. Subject: Born Again. Is born again that which a person becomes upon receiving the Lord Jesus as his own personal saviour, or is it what God must do to a person to enable him/her to receive Jesus ?. PS I am not a Calvinist. Sincerely yours. Edwin Brain. Without question the biggest single problem that the church has is an abysmal lack of in depth Bible teaching. For example when a born again Christian is not even able to explain exactly just what is meant by "Born again" how can he possibly communicate the Gospel to the un-saved ?. Let me explain, The unconverted are spiritually dead, see. 1Cr 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. This of course all happened at "The fall", see. Gen 2:17 "for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.".. This is an incorrect translation, as it should read, "for in the day that you eat of it, dying you shall die". That is to say, two deaths, spiritual death at the moment you eat thereof, followed by physical death in due course. Have a look at Jhn 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. Jhn 6:65 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father." Now read. Mat 16:16 Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Mat 16:17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. Mat 16:18 "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it Note, "Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven" You are petros and upon this petra I will build my church" ie each member of my church will have what you Peter have just had, that is direct divine intervention into their lives, enabling them to accept me for who I am. The one and only "I AM" He who died that they might live. How can any flesh be saved, read, Mat 19:25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?" Mat 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. Now lets have a look at. Jhn 3:5-6, Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. Jhn 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. But first a suitable background against which to view the revenant words, Let us say two different worlds, or two different modes of existence, what about Physical life, and Spiritual life. Now then how did you get into this physical world. Well you were born into it weren't you?. Now exactly how much contribution did you make to your physical birth, non whatsoever you owe your existence entirely to the activity of another, namely your human father. Likewise your arrival into the spiritual world (If you are to get there) will be due entirely to the activity of another, namely, the Lord our God, who will then be your heavenly Father. The water refereed to in v 5 of John 3, is of course amniotic fluid which is required to be born of the flesh refereed to in the next verse. In fact using Hebrew parallelism, v 6 in given in order to clear up any doubt as to exactly what is meant by water in v 5. To sum up therefore it is clear from the text that it is impossible to be saved, unless one is first born again into the spiritual world, thus enabling one to understand the way of salvation, and thereby to receive Jesus as ones own personal Saviour.. Born again can also be translated as born from above, ie born of God. My Conversion follows. May the Lord bless you all. Edwin Brain. |
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53 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185310 | ||
Joshua said "But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." You have said, "You cannot choose God". Is Joshua telling lies then?. ebrain. |
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54 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 185226 | ||
Hi God's-elect You have said, "You cannot choose God". If this is the case, then please explain, "choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve", as in the verse below? Jos 24:15 "And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." Are you suggesting that God speaking through Joshua is asking the people to do what God knows full well they cannot do? ebrain. |
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55 | What was reason for the virgin birth? | Matt 4:1 | ebrain | 184950 | ||
You asked. "my Question was. without a sin nature how is it possible to be tempted?" Adam and Eve did not have a sin nature before the fall. yet she was tempted. Hope this helps. ebrain. |
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56 | Seeing God? | Ex 33:20 | ebrain | 184897 | ||
Sorry, I should have included these verses also. Exd 33:21 And the LORD said, "Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. Exd 33:22 "So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by. Exd 33:23 "Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen." Every blessing. ebrain. |
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57 | Who is "Us"? | Bible general Archive 3 | ebrain | 184870 | ||
The Lord Our God is refering to Himself, see Matt 28:19, one name but three persons. | ||||||
58 | can one lose their salvation | Heb 6:6 | ebrain | 184853 | ||
1Jo 5:11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 1Jo 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1Jo 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. Note. see my comment on "Eternal life", above, also note Eternal life is what you have now if you are a real Christian, and not something you may get later on if you behave yourself properly. Jhn 17:2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should* give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. Jhn 17:3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. See my comment on "Eternal life", above. 1Th 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1Th 5:24 He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it. Once more, is He able to do it, or not? does it depend on me, or on Him? Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword Rom 8:36 As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."* Rom 8:37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, Rom 8:39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Would you agree than the expression "nor any other created thing," would include myself,? if so then it is impossible for me to be able to lose my salvation, and thereby "separate myself from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Once more, is He able to do it, or not? does it depend on me, or on Him? Edwin. pabrain, also known as ebrain. |
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59 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | ebrain | 184309 | ||
I have been a Christian for more than 45 years.. The verses I gave you have been shown to many individuals over many years, and no one, but no one, except you has failed to see clearly the Trinity, revealed in this passage, therefore, I find myself in complete agreement with your description of yourself. I |
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60 | origin of the devil | Ezek 28:13 | ebrain | 184303 | ||
Hi Jonp. You have said, "Because the revelation of the triunity of God is so important that while there are certainly hints in the Old Testament, it could not really be presented fully until the coming of Jesus without seeming to give a concession to polytheism. Best wishes Jonp" Might I with respect ask you to read the following verses, except, do not read the very last line.. Now ask yourself the question, "Who is speaking".. The answer can only be, "Almighty God".. Now read the last line, and then tell me who it is.. Isa 48:12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Isa 48:13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together. Isa 48:14 "All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear! Who among them has declared these things? The LORD loves him; He shall do His pleasure on Babylon, And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans. Isa 48:15 I, even I, have spoken; Yes, I have called him, I have brought him, and his way will prosper. Isa 48:16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have* sent Me." Best wishes. ebrain. |
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