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401 | Pretribulation or slightly after ? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 42598 | ||
CONTINUED If we understand that the DAY of THE WRATH of Him that sits upon the Throne and of the LAMB is being poured out upon unrepentant man , then we know that we are kept from it. So for clarity when discussing the Day of Judgement I will call it the Great Day of God's Wrath instead of Tribualtion so that you do not mix up what I am saying with the type of testing and adversity we all face and some more than others. After you examine the doctrine of the Judgement of the Lord upon man prior to the New Heavens and Earth and after you master the doctrine of a bodily resurrection then it is time to examine the passages about a church that is changed and glorified and rises to meet the Lord (rapture). This rumor that the pre-trib view started in the 19th century is not accurate. I have numerous books in my library that reference the doctrine of a generation of saints that are changed in a moment and rise and meet the Lord and then afterwards an ongoing time of judgement upon those that remain that date back to the middle ages. I have a book that is one of the best and most scholarly expositions on Revelation by a man named James A. Siess titled "The Apocalypse" that was written in the 18th century (late 1700s) and he even used the word rapture. Siess cites numerous rescources in his book of ancient writers that held similar views based on the same verses we use today to explain the rapture. No Granted there is one major difference. The idea of disappearing from view. I am not sure why anyone would have thought that a necessary explanation. There was never any indication of Elijah dissapearing, he was seen to go up. I mean he disappeared when he go too high. As with Jesus, he was seen to ascend up into a cloud. The mount of transfiguration glory is promised to all the saints that are ready at his appearing and so when I read this event in 1 Cor 15 and the passaged in 2 Thess I thought of other scripture references and my first thought was that of being glorifed and shining like the sun and then rising and wicked sinners that once persecuted the holy saints looking on in awe. The passage says we are CHANGED in a twinkling of an eye not that we dissapear. And the passage is quite detailed about the change. Our mortal bodies are changed into immortal glorifed ones. This promise is to be held dear. When it happens is in question. The event is not in question. The type of change .. bodily glorification .. is not in question. May God Bless you in your Study of His Word. |
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402 | Pretribulation or slightly after ? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 42597 | ||
I am glad you asked this question. I was thinking about bringing it up myself today. I know that there have already been many posts on this topic here and I am sure there have been very good jobs at explaining this doctrine. However often the posts are to incomplete to convince anyone of anything. I am not dogmatic about my views and willing to change them when it comes to many things involving eschatology however there are certain basic truths that one should embrace and have as part of their hope as they wait for the coming of the Lord. To understand the doctrine of a pre-tribulation rapture of the Church you have to get a handle on two other doctrines first. One that of a promise of a bodily resurrection. This topic alone is a foundational truth concerning salvation. If there were no bodily resurrection of the saints then you would still be in your sins. Now there are those that are saved before they even understand 'whether there be any bodily resurrection' in that they put their trust in Jesus Christ and leave the details to Him. However the fact remains that if there were no bodily resurrection they would not be saved. This is a legal issue in the heavenly courtroom and this whol subject of a bodily resurrection must be probed and examinded and embraced and rejoiced in before the idea of a raptured church will make any sense. One of the passages where we get or doctrine of a rapture (simple word for a long explanation of a prophetic event) is from 1 Cor 15. As you read it you see that there will be a people who will not die. There will be a generation of saints that will be changed and recieve glorified bodies and rise and meet the Lord in the air. Does this happen at the end of the Tribultion or the Middle or the Beginning? I cannot say for certain I can give scripture that sounds like one or the other. However if all the verses are examined the majority of verses weighs heavily on the pre-trib view. The other doctrine that must be examined before you examine that of the rapture is the doctrine of the Day of the Lord and the Wrath of God ready to be revealed upon the ungodly. This day of wrath is described in many Old Testament Prophets and in all cases more than a 24 hour day is described. When it was prophesied about the day of Jacobs trouble that would be the worse they had every seen it was a prophesy of Judgement. When the Great Tribulation begins in Revelation it is all about Judgement being poured out on unrepentant sinners. There is another use of the word tribulation, that which we all have as christians if we live holy in this world, we will have tribulation. But THE GREAT TRIBULATION is alogether another use of the word. As the wrath of man is a different use of the word WRATH when we refer to the WRATH Of GOD. We may recieve the wrath of man or so it may appear to us while we live holy in this life, but never will the saint recieve the WRATH of GOD. |
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403 | Hebrews 6:6 explained | Hebrews | Scribe | 42590 | ||
Thank you John. I did read the sermon. I thought it was very good. Spurgeon seems to follow the spirit of the context in his explanation. I am almost convinced of his application, however I think the context about the ground not bearing fruit might indicate that Paul is not only saying that "if a person falls away completetly he would have not hope of eternal life" but that there may have been some that have. There may have been those that were once in the household of faith, who after falling away continually do not repent but instead invent doctrines to give them peace while they hold on to their addictions of fornication , pornography, alcoholism etc. I do not see this as far fetched because I have known and do know them. I know these men knew the Lord, but for many years now they have been bringing forth thorns and will have nothing to do with the church or with God. Will they still be saved? It would be impossible for them to be saved in that condition. Spurgeon sees it as impossible that a man that has known the Lord could fall to that degree. I wonder why he says that since in other articles he has made it known that he has met them. And I dare say you know a few as well. Now if we want to say they never knew the Lord at all, then I think we have entered into the domain of the secrets of men's hearts of which only Jesus Christ has been ordained judge. But if we want to say they do not know the Lord now in their continual state of many years of wicked living then we are on solid ground of our God given scriptural duty to known them by their fruits. I would rather say that they knew the Lord and now they have rejected him as Paul has stated in other passages than to say they never knew the Lord which I have no right to say. But then I do not have a "doctrine to uphold" but follow that which makes more common sense as I read and pray for light. May God bless you in your study of His Word. |
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404 | i need Biblical info on homosexuality | Rom 1:27 | Scribe | 42546 | ||
It is extremely rare that a person that is a homosexual really believes they are a christian. Most likely they know they are not but hate the idea of being accused of being in "sin." Forget about preaching against homosexual sin as a means to convince her because I doubt she would care even if she agreed that it was a sin. You will have to preach about how that all men are sinners and that we all need Christ. If there is any hope for a person being brought to repentance it will be in seeing their need for a physician. You are called to preach the gospel of the Cross of Christ as the remedy for all sin and deliverance from the power of sin. All sex before marraige is forbidden. If she reads Romans 1 and is not convicted then there is nothing you can do to add to it. It is extremely rare that you should ever enter into a vain argument with a homosexual on whether it is a sin or not. If they believe in God at all they know it is a sin, they will not admit it to you but they know. Is it any worse of a sin than others? Yes it is. There are sins that were given capital punishment in the OT and others that demanded restitution. Homosexual sins were rated worthy of captial punishment (death). Does that mean we should give captal punishment to homosexuals today? No but we should make it illegal and stand on the side of scripture in our Governments. Many states have laws against it but it is not enforced. There are sins that a society commits daily but there are some sins that if a society embraces them as a whole God will have no choice but to bring judgement on that society. We are told to look to Sodom and Gomorrah as an example of what God will do when a nation cast off all restraint and embraces such heinous sin as open homosexuality. And what person really thinks it is OK with God? None, they that do such things have chosen to push God out of their conscience and are not interested in serving God. They may make up some other God in their imagination that is a god of creature lusts but they will not believe in the God of the Bible. They may say they are a christian but it is a lie and an attempt to disarm you. Let your peace remain with you and preach to them as you would any other sinner, not dealing with their individual sins but with the whole heart issue. Judgement awaits all sinners that refuse to repent. And those that would flee the wrath to come must do so on God's terms alone or experience eternal regret. The stubborn heart of a self willed man or woman cannot be won or softened with vain strivings about words or sins. The only thing that can change the heart of man is repentance and faith toward God. When you speak to them speak about How God loves them and has a wonderful plan for their lives but they can only enter that plan by repentance of all sin and faith toward God. Then let God work on them. Some are not open to God and God will lead you to those that are. It takes a much greater degree of willful rebellion against knowledge of what is good to commit homosexual sins therefore it is rare to see them repent. The state of the heart to commit such sins requires a greater searing of the God given conscience. Can they be saved? Yes but it is rare that they desire to know God in spite of the words they may cast at your feet. May God Bless you in your study of the Word. |
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405 | What does Revelation 3:14-22 mean? | Rev 3:17 | Scribe | 42490 | ||
Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: When a church sits under a type of preaching and ministry that places an emphasis on material blessings as a sign that God is on their side. When a church calls the abundance of activity "fruit." When a church vaunts itself and says "this is the greatest hour the church has ever known" When a church says "we have more faith or more knowledge than Paul had" When a church says "success" is when you have a high paying job. When a church says "they have been saved to do all these abominations" When a church says "they are covered by the blood" and wink at sin. |
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406 | Moses shining face | Ex 34:29 | Scribe | 42487 | ||
Ex 34:30 And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him. Ex 34:31 And Moses called unto them; and Aaron and all the rulers of the congregation returned unto him: and Moses talked with them. Makarios has explained how 2 Cor 3 tells us it was a fading glory. But did you notice something about this story. The fact that the people were afraid of the shining and would not draw nigh. It was not a good thing that Moses had to wear a viel. The viel was a testimony against the unbelief and hardness of heart of the people. Also notice in 2 Cor 3 that he constrasts that fading glory that was visible to them with an unfading glory which is invisible (for now in this life) for us, made available to us who have faith and not a fearful unbelieving heart. Even today we must examine ourselves to make sure we are of the company of the "open face" and not of the number of those that shrink back. |
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407 | What is the beginning? | 1 John 3:11 | Scribe | 42483 | ||
this was the message that they heard from Christ Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another |
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408 | When we die are soul and spirit with God | 1 Thess 5:23 | Scribe | 42482 | ||
Mr 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Soul is often used in scripture to refer to the spirit of a man. Is man three parts, in a sense yes. You do have a body, which is promised a redemption and eternity, you do have a soul which is that eternal part of you just as your spirit. What is the difference between soul and spirit if any. The only difference is when you use both words in the same sentence. If I say I have been born again in my spirit and I have the mind of Christ and am being transformed by the renewing of my mind I am referring to the change in my spirit which is complete and does not change over time and I am referring to the soul in that that sanctification of my soul or inner revelation or growth in the spirit, continues to grow brighter and brighter. To say the soul is the mind is too simple and inaccurate. My mind has memories of past sins, This is not my soul this is my flesh brain. My spiritual mind is my soul and it is that which is deeper than the fleshly brain. Can you define the difference between the soul and spirit. Not easily. The Word of God is sharper than any two edge sword and it can divide between soul and spirit. The soul and the spirit are not seperable. The body that we have now can be seperated from our soul/spirit, but the Body which we will have will not be seperate. The soul is never seperate from the spirit, not in this life or the one to come. The soul is the spirit and spirit is the soul. 3Jo 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. Here the Paul prays for the physical needs of the believer to be as blessed as his spiritual needs grouping all things spiritual under the word soul 1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Here he refers to that which is of the mind when he uses the world soul in the same sentence with spirit and soul and body The mind not of the flesh brain memories but the mind as it relates to the spiritual revelation and conscience that the Holy Spirit speaks to and controls if we let him by humble faith and repentance. It may teach well to draw three circles and say man is spirit soul and body, but calling the soul the mind is too simple and does not correctly convey the depths of the biblical use of soul. |
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409 | Was King David talking to himself? | Rom 5:8 | Scribe | 42481 | ||
? David is talking to God. | ||||||
410 | Where there is no vision, people perish? | Prov 29:18 | Scribe | 42479 | ||
The KJV (my favorite) says. Where there is no vision, the people perish If you look up this word in the KJV you will see that it is overwhelmingly used for the prophet who spoke the Word of God to the people calling them to repentance. There were many pillow prophets and false prophets speakning "blessings" and "peace and saftey" at times in Israel's history when there was "no open vision" and the "word of God was precious" If today you have many men preaching but preaching from their own heart and not giving a challenging word from God as revealed to them in prayer and seeking after God's heart, you end up with a people that perish for no prophetic vision. They continue on in their sins with no alarm of the impending judgement to come. And if a minister comes along and decides to obey the heart of God and call the people to repentance he is quickly voted out of the pulpit for a more "tolerable" minister that will "understand" the people. It is only when the preaching of the Word is being done by the power of the Holy Spirit that people will be convicted of sin. Without this dynamic of the anointing the people cast off restraint and say "we are saved to do all these abominations." May God Bless you in the Study of His Word. |
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411 | Is baptism done only once? | Eph 4:5 | Scribe | 42414 | ||
Not to attack you personally but this is one of the most bizzare and illogical approaches to scripture I have ever read. To claim that Phillip was mistaken , even though the Spirit confirmed his Word and ministry with catching him away to another place is going a little far to proove your point isn't it. Maybe, you are wrong. I think you need to think about this one a little harder. You will notice too many efforts to twist the word to fit. | ||||||
412 | Is baptism done only once? | Eph 4:5 | Scribe | 42412 | ||
Ac 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Ac 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Acts 10:44-48 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. You have Peter saying That the Baptism of the Holy Spirit of all those believers gathered in Cornelius house was a fulfillment of what Jesus told them,and even with that knowledge Peter has them baptized in water also which serves a purpose (though you do not see the purpose). Then you do not have any apostle ever saying that one know longer needs to be baptized in water but you are willing to make that leap in you doctrine. This is adding to the scripture. Acts 19:2-7 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. And all the men were about twelve. So here we have Paul making a difference between being Baptized under John's ministry (who was not baptizing them in the Name of Jesus but did not even know the name of Jesus until after Jesus came to be baptized of John. So afterwards the disciples of Christ baptized in Jesus name and that baptism is a fuller revelation of what God was doing in reconciling man to God through Christ of which John only had hints or but not the full understanding. These 12 men had been baptized in Johns baptism, and yet they still needed a revelation of Christ. Paul undoubtedly preaches Christ to them and has them Baptized in the name of Jesus, though I do not think Paul did the baptizing but rather he had helpers. After these 12 were baptized then Paul laid hands on them to recieve the Holy Ghost and they spoke in tongues and prophecied. God is still doing this today. New Believers are saved by believing, and if they will go all the way with God they will publically pledge allegiance to Christ (which in that day they were truly taking a stand to be willing to die if need be) Today baptism in water and publically pledging allegiance to Christ is acceptable, in that day it was like stepping over the line and saying you are now ready to die for your faith. This sort of commitment is the purpose behind baptism in water. It is the initiation rite into this elite organization of zealots for God. You are either with Christ or you are against Him The Baptism in the Holy Ghost is also available to all believers that will ask and expect it. God Bless you All in the Study of His Word! |
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413 | Do you disobey this commandment? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 42361 | ||
I will make one final point on keeping sabbath and then leave it to your own conscience. Define your idea of what the scripture teaches is lawfully keeping the sabbath. Not the many traditions of the Jewish scribes and lawyers that did not get their details from scripture, we know Jesus had plenty to say about them. But what does the scripture teach about lawfully keeping the sabbath. I will not attempt to convince a servant of God that he should or should not keep a law he wants to keep. But if you would keep it then by all means keep it according to the pattern shown in the book. If you depart from that pattern then you expose yourself as not one who is endeavoring to please God as all honest religous exercise would be, but you are demonstrating that you have some other agenda altogether foreign to sound doctrine. For no man can say I want to obey His commandments and then go about changing the details of the commandment given. This reveals a heart not of servitude but of an arrogant and self willed heart, willing to presumptiously change the law to fit his convienience. Ex 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. First of all you would have to form an Eccliastic government over your parishoners so that you might enforce the law open the law breakers. For to keep the sabbath yourself and yet not obey this part of the commandment is to keep part and break part. Ex 35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day. Then you must also start no fires in your fireplaces or even cook on the stove that day. Would it be lawful to use the microwave? I think not. I could go on but I think the point is made. Keep the sabbath day but keep it holy. If you do work on that day you have broken it. If you think that attending a church is keeping it you make a mistake. If you drive to church you have broken it. |
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414 | Is baptism done only once? | Eph 4:5 | Scribe | 42359 | ||
The Ethiopian Eunuech was baptized in water after believing on Christ by the preaching of Phillip. Ac 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. This was after pentecost. And Cornelius... Ac 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Ac 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? Ac 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. This too was after the day of Pentecost. Baptism in water is to be done by all those that come to Christ. There is nothing fleshly about outward observance of water baptism. A good understanding in just how spiritual an exercise it is, can be obtained when you understand the necessity for us to make ourselves accountable. When we openly confess our Alegiance to Christ we win half, nay three forths of the battle, of the fight of drawing back the next day or the next week. This is a lesson learned that we would do well to remember through out our christian journey. When you find yourself struggling with any sin, make yourself accountable to others, confessing that you will have nothing more to do with that sin and are pledgeing your allegiance to Christ and Him alone. God Bless you all in your Study of God's Word. |
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415 | Meaning of wilderness and how to grow | 1 Sam 28:7 | Scribe | 42357 | ||
Can you repost your question with the wilderness you are referring to. Thanks | ||||||
416 | Do you disobey this commandment? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 42274 | ||
the sabbath days are detailed in the Law. Do a study on sabbath and you will see how there were mentions of sabbath rests of so many years etc. You may be misunderstanding the scripture. It says Jesus is NOT the shadow. The sabbath is the shadow Jesus is the BODY that cast the shadow. The shadow is not the REAL thing the Body that cast the shadow is the REAL thing. Jesus is the reality of the other shadows in the law including meat offerings, and feast days as well. These all point to what Jesus did for us and does for us in the Real spiritual realm and that is what you want to obtain. The reality of the temple in heaven is what you want to dwell in not one made with stones in Israel somewhere. The reality of the Heavenly sabbath is the one you want to enter into so that you might rest for eternity not the one that is only a symbol of the Heavenly one. You want to seek after and obtain the actual Presence of Christ and see Him face to face, and not just be satisfied with your knowledge of Him in this life only. We seek a better country, we seek a better city, we seek a better temple, we seek a better sabbath. A rest that lasts forever. We partake of the Lords supper. The bread and the wine is but a shadow of the real. The Real is invisible. The shadow is visible We partake of baptism, the water has no healing properties, the water is a symbol of the invisible reality. If you want to observe the seventh day as a symbol of your faith in resting from your own works and finding righteousness by faith in Christ death and resurrection then do so. God will only accept it if it is in faith however. But if you condemn your brother for thinking in more real terms of resting in Christ then you are not in faith and your sabbath keeping is not accepted. Offering gifts of religious service to the Lord whether it is sabbath keeping or feast keeping is between you and God. Only remember the saying "Hear O Israel" and do not apply what laws God commanded the Israelites to observe to all gentiles which were never commanded to keep such ordinances. There is more said about circumcision being an everlasting command than there is sabbath and yet no one contends for it becuase of the clear teaching in Acts when the apostles met to discuss this issue about the gentiles that were coming to the Lord needing to be circumcized, and all the OT verses were being used to declare it as an everlasting commandment, and the Holy Spirit said that the gentiles did not need to be concerned with circumcision. Now if you are Jew, there may be a good reason for questioning whether you should be circumcised but all controversy has ended on whether a gentile must be circumcised. So it is with sabbath keeping. You do it as a law, a commandment, then do it with faith, another gentile that never has kept sabbath in his life gets saved throught faith in Christ, has no such commandment in the New Testament, and unless you would join company with the Judaizers that Christ condemened then I suggest you leave the gentile converts alone and preach Jesus and Him crucified. God Bless you in your study of His word. |
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417 | Do you disobey this commandment? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 42243 | ||
Col 2:16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Paraphrase ... sabbath equals shadow Christ.. equals the real body that casts the shadow the Real Body is the real thing not the shadow. The sabbath was given to point to things to come...the rest that Christ would give a man when he came into forgiveness and righteousness by faith in the finished WORK of chirst. SO christians do keep the sabbath by true faith in Christ to make them righteous. In other words if a man trys to get a sense of righteosness by working at keeping a day of the week, he fails. He is working. If a man rests in the finished work of the cross to make him righteous by faith, he RESTS. he therefore keeps the true sabbath. So keep the true sabbath and let those that would trouble you work on at it all they please, it is between them and God, but you may rest in His finished work. Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Heb 4:11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. |
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418 | Are we expected to keep the sabath? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 42242 | ||
Col 2:16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Paraphrase ... sabbath equals shadow Christ.. equals the real body that casts the shadow the Real Body is the real thing not the shadow. The sabbath was given to point to things to come...the rest that Christ would give a man when he came into forgiveness and righteousness by faith in the finished WORK of chirst. SO christians do keep the sabbath by true faith in Christ to make them righteous. In other words if a man trys to get a sense of righteosness by working at keeping a day of the week, he fails. He is working. If a man rests in the finished work of the cross to make him righteous by faith, he RESTS. he therefore keeps the true sabbath. So keep the true sabbath and let those that would trouble you work on at it all they please, it is between them and God, but you may rest in His finished work. Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Heb 4:11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. |
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419 | Hebrews 6:6 explained | Hebrews | Scribe | 42095 | ||
In Context.... Heb 6:1 ¶ Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. The subject matter.... going on beyond constant wranglings over certain... fundamental doctrines. Think about it like this.. "If a person who has known the Lord and then turns from the holy commandments to teach a false doctrine that you can sin with the body but still be innocent in the spirit and other such gnosticism, there is no use trying to convince that person of how the cross of Christ is suficient to remove their sins, for they are preaching the cross of Christ but using it as an excuse for sin. Saying that they can keep sinning and still go to heaven. This is treating the Cross of Christ as liscense to sin rather than a victory over sin. What can you do with this kind of teaching and person other than let them know they are not going to heaven. It is impossible to renew them to repentance by preaching the cross , they are polluting the message of the cross. They cannot be brought to repentance as other sinners because they are using the very answer for sin and that which produces godly sorrow as an excuse to sin. "If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame" so they propagate that the cross grants them forgiveness while they continue in their sin. Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. They are bringing forth the wrong fruit. They are living lives that declare they are bad trees. Heb 6:9 ¶ But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. So from this verse we see that the saints do not have to fear this condition because sound doctrine will keep them from such a hineous act as willful sinful living while claiming freedom in the cross. Were these false brethren ever christian? .....and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, I find it too far of a stretch to say a person was made a partaker of the Holy Ghost and then claim he was never a christian. I will have to conclude that based on this text they are backslidden and they are in danger of hell fire. Now Can they be saved? Yes It does not say they can never be saved, It does not say they will never repent it says... It is impossible for you through doctrine listed in Verse 1 to to renew them again unto repentance;.. you have to shake off the dust and move on they are contradicting and blaspheming themselves claiming the crucifixtion of Christ as a liscense to be able to sin. You should give them over to satan for the destruction of the flesh. If in times of misery they come back to the Lord and renounce their false doctrine that they can sin willfully in this life and only lose a few rewards in the next then they can be saved and they can repent. But you are not going to be able to convince them with words and doctrine (verse 1) You will have to turn them over to satan. That is my opinion. I have been wrong before :) |
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420 | Tongues?Ecstatic Utterances or Languages | 2 Corinthians | Scribe | 42077 | ||
according to a close examination of Paul's statements in 1 Cor 14 it is obvious that the tongues Paul prayed in more than all the corinthians was such that he did not understand it himself. So if Paul did not understand it, then it was not a language he learned by natural processes. If it was a language that someone on the planet knew Paul did not know what or who knew it. So the safest answer is that Yes on the day of Pentecost there were many that heard their own language coming from men that had not learned. There is no reason to think that the 120 knew what they were saying... Paul said he could not understand his tongues and so he would pray to himself and to God in tongues and then at times he would pray to himself and to God in his understanding (greek or hebrew or both I suppose) So the answer might be that some one on the planet would recognize it or maybe not, but the fact that no one was going to even be around when Paul was praying in tongues between himself and God demomstrates that that would be a mute (pardon the pun) point. Even if you do not know which or any language it is it is still edifying to excercise the gift of praying in tongues. Now in the Church (not between yourself and God) you still would need and interpreter. So Paul mentions the gift of interpretation, not the art of language, the one that exercised the gift of interpretation was operating in the Spiritual gift and would then speak what the other said in tongues in the common language of the congregation. Does all this sound wierd to you? This is how the first church allowed God to have His way in their midst and it is how charismatics still do. You can see all these Holy Spirit gifts still in operation in the church today. |
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