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241 | What is the tone of this statement? | Job 6:10 | stjones | 56207 | ||
Thanks, Ed. Maybe the three of can sit around with a cafe mocha (there WILL be chocolate in Heaven, won't there?) and have a nice long chat. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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242 | What is the tone of this statement? | Job 6:10 | stjones | 56206 | ||
Hi, Momma; True, Job was not without sin. Still, chapters 1 and 2 make if very clear that God intended no punishment or discipline. I think Job showed much more faith than nearly anyone in the OT. When Job says "though He slay me, yet I will trust in Him", it reminds me very much of Peter's answer to Jesus in John 6:68, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life". Dallas Willard once said "God lives at the end of your rope". I think most of us at one time or another are reduced to the most elementary faith. We have to confess, as did Job and Peter before us, that there's just nowhere else to turn. We admire Job's faith in God during his terrible trials. What strikes me is God's confidence in Job. Imagine Satan's glee if Job had failed. God chose to make Job His champion in a very high stakes contest. And He chose to reveal to us His willingness take that risk. Maybe that's the real point of Job: God counts on us and it matters, perhpas more than we will ever realize in this life, whether we succeed or fail. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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243 | What is the tone of this statement? | Job 6:10 | stjones | 56183 | ||
Hi, EdB; You said "There are those that insist that Job brought his troubles upon himself". They must have missed the first two chapters! I love Job; I get to preach a sermon on him in September. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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244 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | stjones | 54578 | ||
Hi, Bub; Ok; it's time to agree to disagree on this. Still waiting to hear about your sacrifices. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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245 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | stjones | 54574 | ||
Hi, Bub; I see you don't hesitate to wield that magic marker. I trust that had God meant Torah instead of gospel, he would have inspired the writer to say Torah instead of gospel. Both God and the writer knew and used both words. I've aleady defined gospel for you: the good news - not the Law - the good news of God's grace. Grace is not a NT concept, neither is the good news announcing it. God's grace was revealed in the Garden. In Moses' case it was the gospel of grace revealed in the deliverance from Egypt, recalled in countless prayers, songs, psalms, and rituals. When the people turned their back on that grace (before and after they received the Law), they received the punishment the writer of Hebrews referred to. Furthermore, you will find references in Hebrews (11:13, 39) and elsewhere (Colossians 1:25-27) to the Israelites not understanding the mystery or not receiving what was promised. Jesus is the mystery, the promise, and the culmination of grace. That's good news; that's the gospel the writer of Hebrews was talking about. No twisting of words will change that. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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246 | What is the right amount to tithe. | OT general | stjones | 54513 | ||
Amen, brother. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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247 | image of God | Gen 1:26 | stjones | 54494 | ||
Thanks, kalos; Have a wonderful week. Peace and grace Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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248 | image of God | Gen 1:26 | stjones | 54489 | ||
Hi, kalos; I agree with you. In the context of creating man in his own image, Genesis 1:27 says "male and female he created them". Men and women are both created in God's image, so his image (and his nature) must transcend gender. Further, the differences between the genders must be human and physical since they divide humanity but God himself is not divided. God chose to identify himself as a father, so I can't countenance the liberal who wants to worship "God the Parent". But I can't see much sense in insisting that God is a male when, as a spirit, he has none of the attributes that distinguish males and females. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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249 | What is the right amount to tithe. | OT general | stjones | 54485 | ||
Hi, JF; That's certainly a valid thought, but it begs the question. The fact is I keep some of my paycheck; I suspect most Christians do. So I guess the question is, how much do I keep? Well, that's not entirely up to me since the government waltzes off with some of it before I even see it and I have no control over that. My answer is that I tithe the gross. It amuses me to think that I'm paying God's taxes for Him, but that's the way it works out. Say I gross 100 silver coins a day and the total tax bite is 30 pct - 30 silver coins. At the end of the day, I have 60 silver coins left. God got 10 of them off the top and I kept 90. But the government takes its slice of the whole 100 silver coins. So I pay 3 silver coins on God's share and 27 on my share. Of course, those 3 coins are deductible, so I may get some of them back in April. At least I don't have to worry about tithing the refund.... But God loves a cheerful giver, so I don't mind. :-) Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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250 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | stjones | 54482 | ||
Alright, once more. You said "it would be painful to directly answer the question in that Hebrews 3 and 4 is talking about Torah". Not painful; wrong. I don't read Greek, so I seldom turn to a lexicon, but for you I'll make an exception. The Greek word translated as "gospel" ("Euaggelizo") does not mean Torah; it means good news. The author used the Greek word "nomos" when he meant Torah. They are different words with different meanings. So get out your magic marker because you're going to have to change what the inspired author of Hebrews wrote. And then you're going have to explain away the contradition caused by your substitution of words. The words the author wrote (not the words you wish he had written) include the warning that to trust in the Torah is to trample Jesus. There is nothing ambiguous about the warnings in chapters 6 and 10. And the book of Hebrews is entirely consistent with Galations. The Judaizers where heretics and those who fell for their heresy - whether Gentile or Jew - risked paying a terrible price. No Christian in Galatia, this forum, or anywhere else should be taken in by this false teaching. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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251 | Is God selfish? | Rom 9:20 | stjones | 54480 | ||
Hi, kalos; Agreed; as I said, not quite the same. Just thinking out loud on my keyboard before I went to church. Maybe it wasn't even worth one cent. ;-) Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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252 | Is God selfish? | Rom 9:20 | stjones | 54463 | ||
Hi, kalos; Ephesians 2:2 and 6:12 don't speak of "ownership" of the earth, but they certainly do suggest that Satan is the ruler of the world. Or maybe just an evil steward since the King will return to claim his own. ;-) Not strictly the same, of course. Just my .01 of a dollar (not even worth .02 I acknowledge) Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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253 | Phil 3:2/ Legalism | Phil 3:2 | stjones | 54460 | ||
Hi, Bub; I'm glad you finally admitted that you are not a Christian; that makes things much clearer. As for an allergy to Hebrews, I have none. It is not I who is running afoul of the warnings in chapters 6 and 10. Could you provide straight answers to three simple questions? (1) Do you live a life of perfect adherene to the Law? (2) If not, where do you sacrifice your animals to atone for your sins? (3) If you don't sacrifice as prescribed by the Torah, how do plan to escape the penalty for your sins? '"King Agrippa, do you believe the prophets? I know you do." Then Agrippa said to Paul, "Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?" Paul replied, "Short time or long--I pray God that not only you but all who are listening to me today may become what I am, except for these chains."' (Acts 26:27-29) I'm sure we on the forum pray the same for you. Of course, your disdain for both Christ and the Body of Christ may be a stumbling block for you. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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254 | Circus Churchianity vs.Spirt-led worship | Philippians | stjones | 54389 | ||
Hi, nuge; Maybe you're just attending the wrong churches. We have talented musicians within our church but they are not entertainers. Applause is seldom heard at our church (mostly when the youngest children's choir sings or when someone announces their 50th anniversary). Our choir director has pounded it into our heads that we are not performing; we are singing to God and trying to direct the congregation's attention toward Him as well. The congregation seldom has the chance to be a passive audience; we typically have a responsive reading for our call to worship; we have unison prayer and silent prayer; we usually sing three hymns; we have a time for sharing joys and concerns before the last prayer and last hymn. We preach the Bible, Jesus, and sin. Our weekly youth group (30-60 kids most nights) is not very trendy; it's built around Bible study and singing. We host five very intense (and truly life-changing) spiritual retreats every year. We support missionaries in Kenya, Japan, Djibouti, and Russia and we're on the short list when the United Way has a person with a need they can't meet. Am I bragging? Perhaps, but only as an encouragement. God is very active, sometimes in churches that are in the most liberal denominations. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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255 | Was it complete? | Bible general Archive 1 | stjones | 54377 | ||
Hank, Hank, Hank; Buck up, ol' buddy. I didn't even see your post to FORUM MEMBERS or Ed's support of you until I came across Brad's followup on the home page. I wasn't following the thread (but now, thanks to you guys, I've been drawn into it). So don't take silence for lack of support. There are over 50,000 messages here now. Anybody is bound to miss a few. You and I have had some ... enthusiastic disagreements in the past, but I'd tell anybody that your posts reveal an abiding respect and knowledge of Scripture. I'm sorry I didn't see (literally) the need at the time. But you bring up an interesting point. I've been hanging out here since October. At the start, it seemed as though most posts were pretty orthodox and pretty well thought out. Here lately, there seem to be a lot of folks who are obsessed with some side issue or some weird interpretation or simply are not Christians. That's all Ok as long as we can have a respectful dialog and maybe enlighten each other. But there doesn't seem to be as much reasoning going on. There seems to be a lot of concordance-driven proof-texting without much study or understanding. To tell the truth, I've thought about my good-bye post too. I guess I'm torn between 1 Peter 3:15 and 2 Timothy 2:23. ;-) Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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256 | Was it complete? | Bible general Archive 1 | stjones | 54375 | ||
Hi, GandT; No, the scholars are not inspired. Since it is scholars who do the translating, it follows that no version in any modern language (including 17th century English) is inspired. Furthermore, no original text of any book of the Bible remains, so there is no known copy of any book of the Bible that is inspired. So where does that leave us? It leaves us dependent upon scholars who sift through thousands of manuscripts and fragments of manuscripts trying to reconstruct what the original writers - who WERE inspired - actually recorded. Mark's inspired original manuscript probably no longer exists. Scholars over a period of centuries have agreed on most of what we find in an English translation. But there are those troublesome four alternate endings. Which, if any, reflects Mark's original inspired writing? I certainly don't know, nor am I competent to decide. Since the pros don't know, I don't know. But you know what? It doesn't bother me at all. If you point out an idea in this section that confirms what can be found elsewhere in the Gospels, it hasn't added much to my knowledge. If you point out some unique, novel idea that can't be confirmed anywhere else in the Bible, then I'd question it anyway. God knows us; the really important stuff gets repeated over and over. So I'm just not too worried about this section and don't feel at all badly about not paying a lot of attention to it. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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257 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | stjones | 54373 | ||
Thanks, Hank; When I was visiting the Jews for Jesus site, I read about the the decision of the Jews after 70 A.D. to substitute prayer for sacrifices. It had always puzzled me how you could have modern-day Jews ranging from strict Orthodox to atheists. I guess when you start discarding parts of the Scripture, there's no fixed place to stop. And therein lies a cautionary tale for the modern Christian church.... Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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258 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | stjones | 54362 | ||
Hi, Bub; "Gospel" refers to The good news of God's grace - attainable in the OT by obedience to the Law and attainable in the NT and today by faith in Christ. But I give up. If you continue to ignore the clear warnings in Hebrews 6 and 10 to not abandon Christ and return to hope for salvation in the Law, what's the point of debating a single word? A passage here and a passage there do not trump the message of grace that permeates the entire New Testament. The Law cannot be kept today. Period. Not by anybody. If you cling to the Law, you are dead in your sins because you cannot keep the entire Law and you cannot atone for your sins as the Law demands. The Torah did not say to have faith in Christ; it said to sacrifice animals, grain, and drink in specific ways in a carefully prescribed setting. That leaves you on the hook for sacrifices you cannot make and it makes Jesus' death on the cross useless. And that is the very offense the writer of Hebrews was talking about in chapters 6 and 10. No thanks. I'll take grace. I hope you do too. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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259 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | stjones | 54332 | ||
Greetings again, Bub; You said "As it appeared that these people needed a lot more assistance, instead of giving up on them, the LORD sent His Son to Israel to get them back on track....instead of soley having the writings which the LORD prescribed, they would have a flesh and blood teacher to personally guide them back to the correct path". I once read an interview with the Dalai Lama who said much the same thing. Nothing could be further from the truth. Such views completely miss the point of who Jesus is, what his earthly ministry was, or what his death and resurrection accomplished. "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." (John 3:16-17) Please note that his mission field was the world, not Israel. Please note that Jesus came to save the world himself, not to teach the Israelites or anyone else how to save themselves by adherence to the Law. Personal note: I hope you don't think I'm sitting here like a big spider, ready to pounce when you shake my web. It's just that sometimes as I scan the home page, I come across a statement that is just too outrageous to let pass. I probably shouldn't let myself get so worked up. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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260 | Once saved, aways saved doctrine refuted | Matt 10:1 | stjones | 54317 | ||
Now you've gone too far, Bub; Resorting to Shakespeare! I don't think forum rules allow that. ;-) Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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