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241 | Could Jesus sin? | Col 2:9 | ebrain | 181487 | ||
Doc. You wrote "Relative to Philippians 2:9 you asked, " How can Jesus be given the name that He already has?" (sic) Why can't God have bestowed on Him the name eternally? Do you suppose that the Son graduated into His position at some point in time? "The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding." Athanasius points out that these aspects o God are eternal, rather than temporal". I disagree, verse 9 has to be understood within the context of verses 5-9. Verse 9 starts with the word "Therefore" this clearly indicates that God also has highly exalted Him because of what Jesus did as described in some detail in verses 5-8, see bellow. Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, Phl 2:6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, Phl 2:7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. Phl 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Phl 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, You also wrote. "we want to take the whole of Scripture into account, not pick and choose verses to reflect our own ideas. The former is God centered, the latter is self centered". I have never at any time approached Bible reading with preconceived ideas, looking for verses to support them. I find your suggestion that I have, to be both insensitive and insulting. |
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242 | Could Jesus sin? | Col 2:9 | ebrain | 181581 | ||
I have had some further thoughts on Philipians Ch 2 vs 5-9, and would value your comments thereon, but let first let make my position clear. I have no problem with the Trinitarian nature of the Godhead, with the fact that the second person, the Son of God is just as much God as is the Father, and the Holy Spirit. Would you agree that the attitude of "not my will but thine be done" that Jesus adopted at all times towards His Father is the same attitude that we should also adopt towards our Father God at all times so that His will shall be done through us as it was through Jesus? Do you also believe that the second person of the Trinity became a real human being just as you and I are (but without sin), divesting himself of all His Divine abilities for a short period of time, in order that he should not have one iota of advantage over us, limiting himself to the same limitations that we have in order to demonstrate that we also can live a life that is well pleasing to the Lord our God, who is our Father also, and that after this short period of just a few years, that all His Divine abilities were restored to Him? Please have a look at the two translations of Philipians Ch 2 vs 5-9, given below, and let me know if you feel that my understanding of these Scripture verses is acceptable to you, and if not why. Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, Phl 2:6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, Phl 2:7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. Phl 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Phl 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, Phl 2:6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it an advantage to be exploited to be equal with God, Phl 2:7 but emptied himself taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. Phl 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Phl 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, Thank you. Edwin Brain. |
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243 | Explain A Normal Christian Life? | Col 3:5 | ebrain | 161447 | ||
I can strongly recommend a book entitled "The Normal Christian Life" by Watchman Nee. He also wrote "Sit Walk Stand", and another book that I think was called "What Shall This Man Do". Every blessing. ebrain. |
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244 | What is apostasy? | 2 Thess 2:3 | ebrain | 187938 | ||
Hi Vincent. Further to my previous post, which was the first part of an article given by Dr.Thomas Ice. I only posted the first part, as I thiught it would be sufficient to show that the Greek word translated "Apostasy", can have more than one meaning, as it does not appear to have done so I am now posting the rest of this article, which has been taken from the web site. "The pre-Trib Research Center". Translation History The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either "departure" or "departing." They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608).[5] This supports the notion that the word truly means "departure." In fact, Jerome's Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of a.d. 400 renders apostasia with the "word discessio, meaning 'departure.'"[6] Why was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of "departure"? Theodore Beza, the Swiss reformer was the first to transliterate apostasia and create a new word, rather than translate it as others had done. The translators of the King James Version were the first to introduce the new rendering of apostasia as "falling away." Most English translators have followed the KJV and Beza in departing from translating apostasia as "departure." No good reason was ever given. The Use of the Article It is important to note that Paul uses a definite article with the noun apostasia. What does this mean? Davey notes the following: Since the Greek language does not need an article to make the noun definite, it becomes clear that with the usage of the article reference is being made to something in particular. In II Thessalonians 2:3 the word apostasia is prefaced by the definite article which means that Paul is pointing to a particular type of departure clearly known to the Thessalonian church.[7] Dr. Lewis provides a likely answer when he notes that the definite article serves to make a word distinct and draw attention to it. In this instance he believes that its purpose is "to denote a previous reference." "The departure Paul previously referred to was 'our being gathered to him' (v. 1) and our being 'caught up' with the Lord and the raptured dead in the clouds (1 Thess. 4:17)," notes Dr. Lewis. The "departure" was something that Paul and his readers clearly had a mutual understanding about. Paul says in verse 5, "Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?" The use of the definite article would also support the notion that Paul spoke of a clear, discernable event. A physical departure, like the rapture would fit just such a notion. However, the New Testament teaches that apostasy had already arrived in the first century (cf. Acts 20:27-32; 1 Tim. 4:1-5; 2 Tim. 3:1-9; 2 Pet. 2:1-3; Jude 3-4, 17-21) and thus, such a process would not denote a clear event as demanded by the language of this passage. Understanding departure as the rapture would satisfy the nuance of this text. E. Schuyler English explains as follows: Again, how would the Thessalonians, or Christians in any century since, be qualified to recognize the apostasy when it should come, assuming, simply for the sake of this inquiry, that the Church might be on earth when it does come? There has been apostasy from God, rebellion against Him, since time began.[9] Whatever Paul is referring to in his reference to "the departure," was something that both the Thessalonian believers and he had discussed in-depth previously. When we examine Paul's first letter to the Thessalonians, he never mentions the doctrine of apostasy, however, virtually every chapter in that epistle speaks of the rapture (cf. 1:9-10; 2:19; probably 3:13; 4:13-17; 5:1-11). In these passages, Paul has used a variety of Greek terms to describe the rapture. It should not be surprising that he uses another term to reference the rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Dr. House tells us: To be continued. |
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245 | What is apostasy? | 2 Thess 2:3 | ebrain | 187939 | ||
Continuation part 1. Remember, the Thessalonians had been led astray by the false teaching (2:2-3) that the Day of the Lord had already come. This was confusing because Paul offered great hope, in the first letter, of a departure to be with Christ and a rescue from god's wrath. Now a letter purporting to be from Paul seems to say that they would first have to go through the Day of the Lord. Paul then clarified his prior teaching by emphasizing that they had no need to worry. They could again be comforted because the departure he had discussed in his first letter, and in his teaching while with them, was still the truth. The departure of Christians to be with Christ, and the subsequent revelation of the lawless one, Paul argues, is proof that the Day of the Lord had not begun as they had thought. This understanding of apostasia makes much more sense than the view that they are to be comforted (v. 2) because a defection from the faith must precede the Day of the Lord. The entire second chapter (as well as 1 Thessalonians 4:18; 5:11) serves to comfort (see vv. 2, 3, 17), supplied by a reassurance of Christ's coming as taught in his first letter.[10] Departure and The Restrainer Since pretribulationists believe that the restrainer mentioned in verses 6 and 7 is the Holy Spirit and teaches a pre-trib rapture, then it should not be surprising to see that there is a similar progression of thought in the progression of verse 3. Allan MacRae, president of Faith Theological Seminary in a letter to Schuyler English has said the following concerning this matter: I wonder if you have noticed the striking parallel between this verse and verses 7-8, a little further down. According to your suggestion verse 3 mentions the departure of the church as coming first, and then tells of the revealing of the man of sin. In verses 7 and 8 we find the identical sequence. Verse 7 tells of the removal of the Church; verse 8 says: "And then shall that Wicked be revealed." Thus close examination of the passage shows an inner unity and coherence, if we take the word apostasia in its general sense of "departure," while a superficial examination would easily lead to an erroneous interpretation as "falling away" because of the proximity of the mention of the man of sin.[11] Kenneth Wuest, a Greek scholar from Moody Bible Institute added the following contextual support to taking apostasia as a physical departure: But then hee apostasia of which Paul is speaking, precedes the revelation of Antichrist in his true identity, and is to katechon that which holds back his revelation (2:6). The hee apostasia, therefore, cannot be either a general apostasy in Christendom which does precede the coming of Antichrist, nor can it be the particular apostasy which is the result of his activities in making himself the alone object of worship. Furthermore, that which holds back his revelation (vs. 3) is vitally connected with hoo katechoon (vs. 7), He who holds back the same event. The latter is, in my opinion, the Holy Spirit and His activities in the Church. All of which means that I am driven to the inescapable conclusion that the hee apostasia (vs. 3) refers to the Rapture of the Church which precedes the Day of the Lord, and holds back the revelation of the Man of Sin who ushers in the world-aspect of that period.[12] Conclusion The fact that apostasia most likely has the meaning of physical departure is a clear support for pretribulationism. If this is true, (Dr. Tim LaHaye and I believe that it is), then it means that a clear prophetic sequence is laid out by Paul early in his Apostolic ministry. Paul teaches in 2 Thessalonians 2 that the rapture will occur first, before the Day of the Lord commences. It is not until after the beginning of the Day of the Lord that the Antichrist is released, resulting in the events described by him in chapter 2 of 2 Thessalonians. This is the only interpretation that provides hope for a discomforted people. Maranatha! |
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246 | Who is he who restrains?ebrain. | 2 Thess 2:7 | ebrain | 188127 | ||
Every thing that is written in Scripture, must be read in context, and the context of what Paul says in verse 7 of Ch 2, must be read in view of the whole of that Chapter, and also what he had to say in his first letter to them, especially Ch 4:13-18. My attention is first drawn to verse 1 of 2 Thess 2, and "our gathering together to Him", I believe these words relate directly to, 1 Thess Ch 4:13-18, in other words the "Rapture", or it you like, our departure.. In verse 3 the word "apostsay", is used, this word can mean "falling away from", or "departing from", and in other parts of Scripture, it is used to refer to a falling away from, or a departure from the truth, however, I am convinced that here in verse 3, it means the departure of believers from earth, especially as this is what I believe Paul has in mind as seen in verse 1. It could, as some have suggested, very well be the Holy Spirit who restrains.. When the church is taken, the Holy Spirit will still be on earth. No one is able to take Him out of the way, although He might very well remove His restraint.. Note for example what He does in verses 11-12. 2 Thess 2:11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 2 Thess 2:12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness. Regarding, "He might very well remove His restraint", have a look at the verse bellow, and my comments thereon. 1 Cor 15:28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all. The Son will not, "be subjected", as no one, but no one is able to do that, however, He certainly is able to subject Himself. ebrain. |
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247 | pre-adamic/cain's wife | 1 Tim 2:15 | ebrain | 163509 | ||
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248 | pre-adamic/cain's wife | 1 Tim 2:15 | ebrain | 163687 | ||
Eve was allways a part of the human race, but is not herself the human race, she is mearly, with her husbands help, the mother thereof. I am sorry about any missunderstanding. Christian love. Edwin. |
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249 | What does "itching ears" mean? | 2 Tim 4:3 | ebrain | 160211 | ||
Having a desire to hear only anything of a sensational. and spectacular nature, rather than sound teaching, which might include words of correction, or condemnation. They will want to hear only plesant, and aggreable things, ie the user friendly gospel. |
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250 | can one lose their salvation | Heb 6:6 | ebrain | 184853 | ||
1Jo 5:11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 1Jo 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1Jo 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. Note. see my comment on "Eternal life", above, also note Eternal life is what you have now if you are a real Christian, and not something you may get later on if you behave yourself properly. Jhn 17:2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should* give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. Jhn 17:3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. See my comment on "Eternal life", above. 1Th 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1Th 5:24 He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it. Once more, is He able to do it, or not? does it depend on me, or on Him? Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword Rom 8:36 As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."* Rom 8:37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, Rom 8:39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Would you agree than the expression "nor any other created thing," would include myself,? if so then it is impossible for me to be able to lose my salvation, and thereby "separate myself from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Once more, is He able to do it, or not? does it depend on me, or on Him? Edwin. pabrain, also known as ebrain. |
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251 | Is the name Christian being ridiculed? | James 2:5 | ebrain | 161688 | ||
My understanding also is that the word Christian was used by Jews, and other none Christians as a term of contempt to describe the followers of Jesus. Belivers in the early days of the Church called themselves "the way". |
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252 | Can a slave desire to be free? | 2 Pet 2:19 | ebrain | 164443 | ||
They will not express any desire to be free, because they think that they are free. As is the case with all verses of Scripture these must be read in their context, the final destiny of the persons spoken of in v 19, is found in v 17. These people are False Prophets, and False Teachers, they may think that they are the real thing, but clearly they are not, they will be told "I never knew you". What I do not understand is why you asked this question in the first place, please enlighten me. Yours because I am His. Edwin. |
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253 | Are there any scriptures for the rapture | 2 Pet 3:10 | ebrain | 188169 | ||
Hi M.Royal. Further to my last post on "Rapture", verses.. What follows is taken from another Bible Study web site, where I was answering someone who did not accept the "Pre-Tribulation", Rapture. Eccl 1:9 That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun. In other words, the Lord's Judgments in the past are indicative of His future judgment.. For example the, "Great Tribulation". That is to say the, "Rapture", or that which is symbolic of the rapture always proceeds judgment. See the examples given bellow. The Flood. Gen 5:23 So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him. The destruction of Sodom. Gen 19:22 "Hurry, escape there. For I cannot do anything until you arrive there." Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar. Joseph is a wonderful type of our lord Jesus, in Gen 45, we have an account of the second visit to Joseph by his brothers. When they came the first time, they did not recognize him, when they came the second time, they did recognize him, but only after he had revealed himself to them, however, he did not do this until after he had first sent his household servants away. When Jesus came the first time, His brothers, (the Jews) did not recognize Him, when He comes the second time, they will, but not until after He sends away His servants, raptures His bride, Gen 45:1 THEN Joseph could not restrain himself before all those who stood by him, and he cried out, "Make everyone go out from me!" So no one stood with him while Joseph made himself known to his brothers. Rahab, and all her family were saved, when Jericho was destroyed, see Joshua Chapter 2, and especially verse 9. Jos 2:9 and said to the men: "I know that the LORD has given you the land, that the terror of you has fallen on us, and that all the inhabitants of the land are fainthearted because of you. The Kenites departed (a type of the rapture) before the destruction of the Amalekites 1Sa 15:6 Then Saul said to the Kenites, "Go, depart, get down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them. For you showed kindness to all the children of Israel when they came up out of Egypt." So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites. Elijah. 2Ki 2:11 Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. So he escaped the wrath of Jezebel. 1Ki 19:2 Then Jezebel sent a messenger to Elijah, saying, "So let the gods do to me, and more also, if I do not make your life as the life of one of them by tomorrow about this time." Two Events? If there is only one event, please tell me how it is it possible for every eye to see the thief in the night?. The wrath of God. Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 1Th 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, If as some maintain, Christians are not "Raptured", before the Great Tribulation, and the Great Tribulation is the wrath of God, then why are Christians suffering the wrath of God, when the Scripture verses above, says they will not? 144,000 Jewish evangelists. Population: 6,525,170,264 (July 2006 est.) If the number of genuine article real born again Christians is a mere 1persent, of the total population, then there will be at least 65,000000, of them, which is a great many more than 144,000. now if as some maintain, Christians are not "Raptured", before the Tribulation, then please tell me why God raises up the "144,000 Jewish evangelists", when there are so many more Christians around to do the same job? ebrain. |
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254 | Are there any scriptures for the rapture | 2 Pet 3:10 | ebrain | 188182 | ||
Hi Cheri. I do hope you will not consider me patronizing when I say how much I enjoyed reading your post, your insight is most refreshing. Allow me to support your understanding with the material bellow. John the Baptist was proclaiming, "a Conqueror, not a Servant", see the following verses. Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Mat 3:10 "And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Mat 3:12 "His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." Now read the passage in Luke Ch 7 from verse 12, through verse 28, and you will note that John's disciples reported to him that Jesus was only behaving as a servant, and not a Conqueror, as they were expecting from John's ministry.. That of course is why John did what is described in v 19.. You will note,however, that before Jesus answered them in v 22, He did first what is described in v 21. Now ask yourself the question why was it that after saying, "Go and report to John what you have seen and heard:", that Jesus then went on to describe what they had, just seen and heard.. Well the reason is that He was actually referring to Scripture, a passage with which He knew John would be familiar, namely. Is 35:4 Say to those with anxious heart, "Take courage, fear not. Behold, your God will come with vengeance; The recompense of God will come, But He will save you." Is 35:5 Then the eyes of the blind will be opened And the ears of the deaf will be unstopped. Is 35:6 Then the lame will leap like a deer, And the tongue of the mute will shout for joy. For waters will break forth in the wilderness And streams in the Arabah. Note that what Jesus was is in fact implying is, "I only came this first time to fulfill verses 5, and 6, whereas you John are preaching verse 4". But then you see, as verse 28 tells us John was only born once, whereas we who are in the "Kingdom",are born twice. It will not have escaped your notice, that our Lord did not speak highly of John, until after John's two disciples had departed, why was that I wonder? Blessings Edwin. |
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255 | Are there any scriptures for the rapture | 2 Pet 3:10 | ebrain | 188359 | ||
Hi Cheri. Thank you for your kind words, perhaps you will enjoy this post as well. Regards. Edwin. One of the reasons why I support the "Pre-Trib", position, is because of what our Lord Jesus said, as recorded by Matthew, and Luke, see bellow. Mat 24:37 "But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Mat 24:38 "For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, Mat 24:39 "and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Mat 24:40 "Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Mat 24:41 "Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Luk 17:26 "And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: Luk 17:27 "They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. Luk 17:28 "Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; Luk 17:34 "I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. Luk 17:35 "Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. Luk 17:36 "Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left."[fn4] I could be wrong of course, but it seems to me that what Jesus was saying is that Noah was "taken", (a picture of the rapture), whereas the others were "left", and were drowned.. In Luke's account, he ads the example of Lot being "taken out", of Sodom, whereas the others were "left", to be destroyed.. Also I feel that my understanding is supported by the Scripture verse bellow. 1Sa 15:6 Then Saul said to the Kenites, "Go, depart, get down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them. For you showed kindness to all the children of Israel when they came up out of Egypt." So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites. |
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256 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | ebrain | 188501 | ||
Hi Kalos. The following post which I submitted to another Bible Study web site, and which includes a reference to "wrath", might be of interest to you. May the Lord bless you abundantly, and keep you safe. Edwin. Dear Ken. The extracts bellow are taken from two of your posts, and I would like to comment on them as follow "I'm not sure what you are trying to say with this. I understand 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 to be referring to Jesus second advent which occurs at the end of the tribulation period, and therefore at the beginning of the 1000 year reign". "We are living in the age of grace now, but I don't know of any scripture that shows that the age of grace ends before Jesus' return at the end of the tribulation period. Revelation 20:4-6 which I briefly discussed in previous posts shows that the Church is in the tribulation period. We know that people are getting saved during the tribulation period and that at least some of them are giving their lives for their faith. We see this in the great multitude that came out of "great tribulation" in Revelation 7:9-17 and in the resurrection of believers that occurs at Jesus' second advent in Revelation 20:4-6". If the "Rapture", was, "at the end of the tribulation period", as you say, then it would be possible to know the day on which it was to occur, whereas Jesus said "no one knows the day", which means it must be the first event, and therefore come before the start of the tribulation, and not at the end of it.. Furthermore, the word, "Wrath", is found 13 times in the book of the Revelation, and at least 10 of these refer to the "wrath of God".. How can you possibly maintain that Christians will be in the tribulation in the light of the following verses?. 1Th 1:10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. 1Th 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. Verses containing the word "wrath". Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast [it] into the great winepress of the wrath of God. Rev 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. Rev 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Every blessing. pabrain |
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257 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | ebrain | 188510 | ||
Thank you Kalos for your post. I have no problem with it, and am in complete agreement with the sentiments you express. You will note that what I had to say, was a copy of a post I sent to another site, namely http://www.biblestudy.com/biblestudy/ and was not intended as a reply to yours, but merely to say something more about "wrath". It is comforting to have the input of another "Pre-Trib", believer. Ken Smith has posted extensively on this other site, you might be interested to read what he has had to say, and perhaps even make a contribution yourself. Every blessing. Edwin. |
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258 | Why does Jesus come as a thief? | 2 Pet 3:10 | ebrain | 188515 | ||
Hi Kalos. Thank you for your explanation, another person with whom I correspond claimed to be moving from "Pre-Trib", to "Pre-wrath", bellow is a copy of an e-mail I sent, and upon which I would value your comments. The Lord bless you.. Edwin. If by Pre-wrath, you mean that Christians are raptured before the, wrath of God is poured out on the earth, then I have no problem with that. However, the question is just when in time, does God's wrath start? There are differing views, some for example maintain that it starts in the middle of the tribulation, that is to say, it starts at the end of the first three and a half years, others think that it starts at the beginning.. Personally I am not sure, have a look at the 13 verses I posted to you running from Rev 6:16, to Rev 19:19, all of which include the word "Wrath", now I am well aware that sometimes it is speaking of the wrath of God, and sometimes the wrath of Satan. My own opinion is that there are only three Satan verses, namely Ch's 12:12, 14:8, and 18:3. And that all the other verses, ten in total refer to the wrath of God. Now it is a fact that Satan can only do what God allows him to do, and therefore, it could be argued that all that happens as a result of the outpouring of both the wrath of God, and the wrath of Satan, is as a result of the Divine will, and therefore, all seven years of the tribulation are the wrath of God, if this is the case, then both the Pre-Wrath, and the Per-Trib, position are identical?. |
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259 | Greater Love | 1 John 4:7 | ebrain | 164598 | ||
Thank you Mark. It only fair for me to point out that our Lord Jesus had one huge advantage over us in being able to perform His Fathers will, and that is that He was not born a sinner, as we are, but He who knew no sin, was made sin for us all. He did not only come here to die for us, but also to show us by His life, how we can live in the way that God intended us to in the first plase. Examine carefully how He, Jesus did it, and you will at the same time discover how you are intended to do it. Pay special attention to His own description of the attitude that He allways adopted towards His Father. John's Gospel is best for this, look at Ch 1 v 18, Ch 11 vs 41b and 42, It was not Jesus who raised Lazarus from the dead, but as Acts 2:22, says "God did through Him". May the Lord bless you adundantly brother Mark. Yours, in His service. Edwin. |
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260 | Greater Love | 1 John 4:7 | ebrain | 164601 | ||
Regarding your last paragraph, 1st, don't hurry. "be still, and know that He is God" 2nd, listen to what He has to say, remember "My sheep hear my voice". 3rd, Thank you for your Christmas greeting, have a great New Year, see you DV in 2006. God bless you, and yours. Edwin. |
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