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21 | Why the children? | Num 33:55 | Inquisitor | 224891 | ||
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22 | Why the children? | Num 33:55 | Inquisitor | 224890 | ||
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23 | Paul | 2 Tim 2:15 | Inquisitor | 224887 | ||
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24 | Why the children? | Num 33:55 | Inquisitor | 224880 | ||
Quoted from BradK, Therefore, logically, there cannot be "Innocence of Children" and Original Sin! Where are the supposed many sciptures that support this concept! To what scriptures do you refer? They were cited in 224842. I'd be interested in how you reconcile these verses with the ones about "Original Sin." But I really don't want to debate the issue but I will be watching resulting posts. I sincerely appreciate your interest in this discussion. God bless, Inquisitor |
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25 | Why the children? | Num 33:55 | Inquisitor | 224878 | ||
Beja, Searcher, Tim, Doc, Ariel and Azure: I knew this was going to be a very, VERY controversial subject. I agree, there are some very difficult scriptures from God's Word leading one to conclude certain things about this idea/concept of "Original Sin" from Adam and its inheritance to all men. But don't you see just as I tried to explain in my previous post, 224842 to Beja, there are just as many scriptures in support of this other concept, "Innocence of Children" before God. In addition, there are many, many christians who believe just as I do on this matter. Are we to conclude that God is a God of contradiction and confusion. "No and may it never be." We just don't have a clear interpretation of the whole. When I look at a child and think about this problem logically, I must spend much time in prayer asking for God's help to understand this conundrum. I must agree that we'll probably never agree and thus I'll probably never persuade any of you but I must state the Truth as I understand It and as I've been taught by some great Bible students, just as you all have stated. As far as I'm concerned, I'm ready and willing to close this very difficult thread of discussion but I'm still praying God's richest blessings on you all. Inquisitor |
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26 | Why the children? | Num 33:55 | Inquisitor | 224844 | ||
Dear Beja, It's difficult to respond to so many questions in one post but I'll try. ALTHOUGH I notice you didn't respond to the scriptures in my previous post as I did to your's. Quoted from Beja... Q1.So you agree that our basic nature is to rebel? That means the problem is not at the level of our actions, but of our very nature or disposition which then leads to our actions. Children have this flaw as much as any man does. As the father of a 3 year old I can assure you of that. As a father and grandfather, I can agree that our kids can be a major pain when they don't get their way. But don't you see, they don't see anything wrong with that screaming, hollering and misbehaving. All they know they're not getting what they consider they gotta have. But later on, maybe as soon 10, 11 or 12 years of age, they begin to put two and two together and see the difference between right and wrong. So this growing and learning is a process through which all of us mankind go, in our maturing. Q2. I deny that adam and eve had this same flaw. I could not tell from your post if you agree with that point. However, if that also is granted then what shall we say? Every one with us are born with the natural inclination to sin and rebel, and that we inherit from Adam. God doesn't create ANYTHING with a sinful or evil nature in it. Don't you see that in the Creation account of Genesis? EVERYTHING Created by God "was good" and He was satisfied with His Creation including His newly created Adam and Eve. BUT they grew in knowledge and learned about the attractiveness of sin and disobeyed God. That's where we ALL go wrong. We ALL violate our conscience. We all look at the options/choices in our lives and weigh the advantages of making the good vs bad decisions. Good decisions almost always include a sacrifice of some kind and thus one child chooses NOT to share his cookie or his toys with his sibling. And on it goes in spite of the teaching and spanking from the parents. The child learns to conceal his decisions and the consequences thereof. Don't you see, the initial birth of a child from God (just like His Creation in the Beginning) is perfectly innocent from all sin. That child has no consciousness about right from wrong; how could anyone argue against this? Q3.And when did Adam obtain this flaw? When he first chose to sin. How can we but say that each and every one of us are cursed with this rebelious and sinful nature as a result of Adam's sin? I tried to explain this above but one has to see that this spirit of rebiliousness varies from one person to another. We all have different parents and different environments from which we learn right and wrong. BUT we can also learn to be clever and get away with our rebellious life for a little while. But sooner or later, either mankind or God will catch up with that person and he will "reap what he sows," either in this life or the one hereafter. Q4.So the end result is that even a newborn infant, because of the sin of Adam is a little sin factory. By nature even that infant is deep down inclined to sin. NO, NO, NO...that's what I've been saying. The child is innocent but he learns to be sinful and rebellious against the good things in life and later on against God's Good Will. Q5.They don't have to wait and make a choice to have that inclination. And is that inclination itself not sinful? Our very disposition is sinful, not merely our actions. This inclination as you're referring to above is true but it doesn't manifest itself in a child with actual intent until his early teens or maybe 11 or 12. He doesn't actually start scheming and hatching "evil" plans to get his way until this stage of his life. This is what I'm trying to get across to you. How can you possibly look into the face of a sweet, innocent two month old baby and call that sweet child evil, down deep inside? God forbid. Please tell me you don't really believe this way. Azure, do you have anything to say about this? Do you have some way of reconciling the conflicting verses I've provided in my previous post? I'm anxiously awaiting such responses from both of you, Beja and Azure. I do hope you and all who are reading might respond with their thoughts. Please do. God bless all of you, Inquisitor |
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27 | Why the children? | Num 33:55 | Inquisitor | 224842 | ||
Dear Beja, Response to Psalms: In God's Eyes, all of mankind are like "children of wrath" in that our basic nature is to rebel. Look at the history of the whole world. War is the most recurring theme throughout our history. Reponse to Romans: As described by Paul, all mankind has indeed inherited the consequences of the fall of man and woman in the Garden of Eden. But that "fall" for each and every single one of us is re-confirmed when we reach the age of accountability (varies from person to person) and first decide to do or say or NOT do or say against what our awakening conscience tells us. This is just another example of one of God's basic laws of "reaping what we sow." It is inherent in man- and woman-kind for we can't possibly get away from our weak and sinful nature. That was proven by Adam and Eve; they had the very presence of God Himself and could come face to Face with Him, only because at that time they had no sin. (Notice this is one more proof that it is possible for a human being to be completely innocent and free of sin, absolutelly proven in the Face of God Himself.) But once they sinned, they could not face God and none of us have been able to do so since that day. Scriptures in support... Deut 24:16 “Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their fathers; a person shall be put to death for his own sin. 2 Ki 14:5 Now it happened, as soon as the kingdom was established in his hand, that he executed his servants who had murdered his father the king. 6 But the children of the murderers he did not execute, according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, in which the LORD commanded, saying, “Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their fathers; but a person shall be put to death for his own sin.” 2 Chron 25:4 4 However he did not execute their children, but did as it is written in the Law in the Book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, “The fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall the children be put to death for their fathers; but a person shall die for his own sin.” And Repeated in 2 Kings 14:5...Repeated by God for emphasis? Who knows but God Himself. Jer 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity; every man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge. Eze 18:19-20 “Yet you say, ‘Why should the son not bear the guilt of the father?’ Because the son has done what is lawful and right, and has kept all My statutes and observed them, he shall surely live. 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. As I mentioned to Azure, this is indeed a very, VERY controversial subject which has been going on for a thousand years or more. How can either one of us, you or me reconcile these verses. How about if you take a shot and explain the reconcilation to me? Please I would beg of you. Please be sure to explain the ideas/thoughts behind your words as quoted below: We must be very careful with this doctrine, because at the heart of Christianity lies this presupposition: A man can be judged by the merits or failures of another. If we take away that concept we have taken away the very gospel we preach. How and why would our God judge one person by the merits or failures of another? Please explain as thoroughly as you can why this concept is so important to the "very gospel we preach." Looking forward to your response and God bless, Inquisitor PS: I'm praying for you and Azure in this discussion. |
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28 | Why the children? | Num 33:55 | Inquisitor | 224839 | ||
Dear and precious Azure, I can only respond with what I see in my Bible, NKJV, my preference: Jesus Blesses Little Children (This heading copied from the NKJV) Matt 19:13 Then little children were brought to Him that He might put His hands on them and pray, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.” 15 And He laid His hands on them and departed from there. As you say, looking at the context as in reading a newspaper, we see the first word "Then" in verse 13 which seems to endorse the heading and the separation of this story from the previous "paragraph. (Yes I know, the original Greek didn't have paragraphs or chapters or verses. That's a modern innovation.) But I think my point is made. For assistance, I can only call on Matthew Henry's Commentary as follows Commentary on Matthew 19:13-15 It is well when we come to Christ ourselves, and bring our children. Little children may be brought to Christ as needing, and being capable of receiving blessings from him, and having an interest in his intercession. We can but beg a blessing for them: Christ only can command the blessing. It is well for us, that Christ has more love and tenderness in him than the best of his disciples have. And let us learn of him not to discountenance any willing, well-meaning souls, in their seeking after Christ, though they are but weak. Those who are given to Christ, as part of his purchase, he will in no wise cast out. Therefore he takes it ill of all who forbid, and try to shut out those whom he has received. And all Christians should bring their children to the Saviour that he may bless them with spiritual blessings. End of Quote In conclusion, it only makes sense for us as parents to look at our small children (as in my grandchildren) and readily admit that it is non-sensical to think that a small baby is born with this inherited sin and is therefore a candidate for Hell. This would be true since they're not able to obey God's Commands for Salvation. No, I'm sorry, I just cannot believe in this interpretation about Inherited Sin. But I'm still praying for God's blessings on you and your studies, Inquisitor |
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29 | Why the children? | Num 33:55 | Inquisitor | 224837 | ||
You're referring to a very old and continuing controversy, "the inheritance of original sin," in which I don't believe. I've been taught that these passages are referring to the fact that we're all human and will eventually need the saving Grace from our Lord upon obeying his Commands for Salvation. How do you rationalize and make these verse harmonize with each other (Matt 19:14) and God's Word? Tough controversy but I'm certain God's Word will prevail. God bless, Inquisitor |
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30 | The error addressed in 2 Peter | Bible general Archive 4 | Inquisitor | 224835 | ||
Doc, What can I say but that I'm in full agreement. Thanks again and God bless ALL those who study God's Word with the resolution of obeying Him. It's a pleasure exchanging God's Truths with you. God bless you throughout your life, Inquisitor |
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31 | Why the children? | Num 33:55 | Inquisitor | 224834 | ||
Another good reason in addition to those you've been given is the innocence of children. Thus they're assured a place in Heaven. There are several verses confirming this but one of the strongest is from the Lord Himself in Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.” As you've indicated it's sometimes difficult to understand all of what our God does and the decisions He makes. To that I can only respond with Is 55:8 “ For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” says the LORD. 9 “ For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts. So we must simply accept the idea that our God truly is all powerful, all knowing much like a child simply accepts this idea about his parents. I hope this helps and God bless, Inquisitor |
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32 | ... | NT general | Inquisitor | 224826 | ||
Personally, I've always thought (along with millions of others) that IF we had the original autograph copies of the NT or OT, they would become objects of worship. There is a great tendancy with mankind to worship something we can see and grasp like a cross around our neck or a piece of wood purchased in Israel, hoping it's from Jesus' cross. I'm convinced God would never endorse the convenience of an autograph copy to survive and be worshipped this way. I'm also convinced we have all of God's Word as He intended. It's been burned and abused throughout these two thousand years but the Bible still endures with God's Protection and Providence. That's enough for me; how about you? God bless, Inquisitor |
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33 | ... | NT general | Inquisitor | 224824 | ||
Quoted from Cogito, Q1. If the brother of Jesus wrote the epistle of James, how did he learn to write and in Greek?? A1. To me it seems the easiest answer is the great possibility that one of the Apostles laid their hands on James and blessed him with the miraculous power of the Holy Spirit. Q2. Were not Jesus and his family of the poorest peasant class? Literacy at that time was very limited and even if one could read a few words, writing was a limited skill, necessitating scribes. A2. Yes, indeed. Jesus was born of a relatively low class family but it's still quite possible they may have taught their kids to read and write in Hebrew. About Greek, I've no idea. I've always been taught that this, the great literacy and prose of the Bible, is one of the proofs of Its inspiration. There are so many reasons to believe that it really is the "God-breathed Word of God." You've just stumbled upoon one more good reason to believe. Have you ever read the books of either the OT or the NT and wondered at their marvelous prose and well put-together poems, arguments, discussions, all of the stories? It is a wonderful thing to behold. The guidance from God but through the minds and the hands of these men, showing their style and preferences as much as possible and YET showing a tremendous unity throughout the whole. I'm certain you'll get other responses with good explanations but that's me and mine. God bless you in thinking up a good question. Inquisitor |
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34 | The error addressed in 2 Peter | Bible general Archive 4 | Inquisitor | 224817 | ||
Doc, I appreciate your contribution to this discussion; it's most enlightening. But in my simple way of looking at the various subjects of the Bible, I always first and prefer to use the Bible as its own best Commentary. So it seems to me this antinomian group as referred to by Peter is just another group of people who are in error compared to God's Word. Similarly, Paul refers to Alexander the coppersmith in 2 Tim 4, Phygellus and Hermogenes in 2 Tim 1. Paul deals rather harshly (and justly) with Hymenaeus and Alexander in 1 Tim 1. God addresses a great many with all manner of sins in the first chapter of Romans with Paul summmarizing their fate in Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; The Bible is quite literally filled with those who deviate from God's Word, occasionally through no fault of their own and are easily corrected. Such was the case of Apollos corrected by Aquila and Priscilla in Acts 18. Those that are NOT inclined to following His Word ultimately receive their just reward, i.e. Achan in Josh 7. To me personally, it's easier to study God's Word with the resolve to follow Joshua's advice, "deter neither to the left nor to the right." But I do appreciate the efforts of scholars like yourself, Beja and all the rest. I do think God endorses the "whole team" effect in 1 Cor 12. Me? I'm just a simple student of His Word. In appreciation and God bless, Inquisitor |
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35 | The error addressed in 2 Peter | Bible general Archive 4 | Inquisitor | 224808 | ||
Thanks for a great thread of discussion, most interesting. God bless, Inquisitor |
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36 | Who were the Canaanites? | Gen 24:3 | Inquisitor | 224806 | ||
Azure is right on target as to the identity of the Canaanites as they proved with their future fate from God through Moses and Joshua. But as to the why question, we're not given very much specific information. Of course later on, we learn that God wanted the nation of Israel or the Jews to maintain a pure bloodline for the introduction of His Son. Of course we also remember that He made an exception with Ruth as she became an actual part of that bloodline and she was a Gentile. As to the possibility of Abraham's knowing about this preference of God's pure bloodline, we can only guess. It does seem Abraham's mind was very close to that of God's Mind. Any thoughts from anyone else? God bless, Inquisitor |
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37 | The error addressed in 2 Peter | Bible general Archive 4 | Inquisitor | 224805 | ||
Beja, I never did see any source of this business about Nomianism or Antinomianism. Would you mind sharing your source of these concepts? Do you know who originated their "movement"? Thanks for your patience and God bless, Inquisitor |
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38 | The error addressed in 2 Peter | Bible general Archive 4 | Inquisitor | 224796 | ||
Another set of scriptures in support: 2 Thes 2: 1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. Once again Paul is clearly predicting the coming Apostasy and the cure is once again cited below 2 Tim 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Thus God's Word must become our dearest possession, deep in our soul and guide our conscience. God's Blessings on you all, Inquisitor |
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39 | The error addressed in 2 Peter | Bible general Archive 4 | Inquisitor | 224795 | ||
Just giving your verses from 2 Peter a quick scan, it seems we can sum up the overall thought from Peter that he like Paul were VERY much concerned about the church and her direction in the future. They were very much concerned about the coming apostacy or departure from the Truth as revealed by Jesus and His official representatives, the Apostles. In addition to Peter's words, we have Paul's warning to the Ephesian elders in Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. 28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears. I believe this whole departure from the "straight and narrow" as Jesus would call it is referred to by historians as the apostacy. A brief intro from the Wikapedia, Apostasy (pronounced /[Greek word]) is the formal religious disaffiliation, abandonment, or renunciation by a person of a religion. One who commits apostasy apostatizes and is an apostate. These terms have a pejorative implication in everyday use. The term is used by sociologists to mean renunciation and criticism of, or opposition to, a person's former religion, in a technical sense and without pejorative connotation. The word derives from a Greek word, (apostasia), meaning a defection or revolt, from [Greek word], apo, "away, apart", [Greek word] stasis, "stand", "standing". The term is sometimes also used to refer to renunciation of a belief or cause by extension of the religious connotation, such as in reference to a political party or (generally facetiously) a sports team. End of Quote... So God installed through the HS the perfect church as described throughout the NT BUT, just as noted by Paul's and Peter's prediction, perfection doesn't last long. It doesn't last long because man is simply NOT inclined to keep God's Law in any dispensation. Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know the way of man is not in himself; It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps. I don't know about all the sub-groups (Antinomianism and all the others) but suffice it to say that whenever man departs from God's Sacred Truth, it is simply known as error. Joshua referred to this tendancy with Josh 1:7 Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper withersoever thou goest. 8This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success. So mankind in general, but most especialy God's people have shown themselves to be totally unable to abide by His Laws. So we have to rely on His Grace and Mercy if we're covered by the Blood of Jesus and pray every night for forgiveness. In this dispensation we are to adopt the "mind of Christ" 1 Cor 2:16 For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ. Phil 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, And how do we do this adopting of the mind of Christ? Rom 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. 3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. And of course, we must see ourselves as keeping each other sharp with God's Word, learning to weld it as the Sword of God. I hope this helps and I apologize for the size. God bless, Inquisitor |
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40 | The error addressed in 2 Peter | Bible general Archive 4 | Inquisitor | 224794 | ||
Thanks, Beja. Appreciate the quick response. Looking forward to an objective source from the internet or a commentary. As you mentioned, Doc will most likely have some information for us. God bless you both, Inquisitor |
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