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21 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Stultis the Fool | 127419 | ||
EdB, I wish "God's richest blessings" upon all men, even my enemies; not just on people I agree with. | ||||||
22 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Stultis the Fool | 127417 | ||
EdB... Your post is opinion, it is in no way scripturaly based, and it seeks to refute a truth defined by all the Epistles, as well as the Gospel and our Lord Jesus Christ. It is obvious to me that you have not read all that Ancient wrote, and you have also not researched the scripture he quoted. What you write above contradicts more scripture than you obviously know, so I would ask: have you read the epistles? Have you researched ANY of the scripture that has been quoted to you? Have you read even the Epistles of John? I do hope that in the future you will take a more dedicated approach to the word of God, that you will be able to show yourself approved of God, instead of showing yourself founded in non-sensible opinion. | ||||||
23 | Why is the thread associated with ID# .. | 2 Pet 2:4 | Stultis the Fool | 127399 | ||
The information as I posted cited various scriptures, consulted lingual text, and additionaly came to no more than a vague conclusion while waiting for someone else to come along and support or refute what I posted. I made no personal attacks, I did not attack the scriptures or attempt to debunk anything scriptural, nor attack the bible. I did not debate doctrines, such as Calvinism/Armenianism. I did not even post the topic in question, I just made an effort to answere the question at hand. What rules were violated? |
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24 | How Many? | Rom 8:30 | Stultis the Fool | 127340 | ||
I was curious because of the preceding verse. Thank you for your answer. | ||||||
25 | How do you address? | Gen 1:31 | Stultis the Fool | 127320 | ||
I have reread Isaiah 45, for context, and also I have consulted the Hebrew for more information. I cannot deny that this passage is immediately pertinent to Cyrus. However, in that context, I believe the prophet is portraying the Lord as "all-mighty." In particular, consult verse 2,5,6,7,8,9,12, and 18. These verses indicate the majesty of God, in all his capacities. As for verse 7, I have considered the Hebrew text, particularly regarding the word in question, "ra" (translated evil, disaster, calamity, etc.). I have discovered that the primary definition of this word, as a noun, is "evil," and this word is translated as "evil" hundreds of times throughout the scriptures. I further considered the word it counterpoints, "shalom," (translated peace, good times, prosperity, etc.). I find that this word is most immediately defined as safe (by grammar, in English, safety), though it is translated as "peace" nearly as often as "ra" is translated as "evil." I see several conclusions and an absolute that can be reached with this information. The first conclusion is simple: these words are translated properly and represent themselves literaly, and I will address this later. A second conclusion is that the word translated "evil" is best translated as calamity to represent a physical manifestation (as you point to), though I find this doubtful, because the word peace, (safety etc.) is relatively intangible, while calamaty is not. A third possibility is that the words represent opposites of a mild nature, such as "health" and "distress," though I doubt this because of the extremes presented at the beginning of the verse (light and darkness). The absolute I see is the use of extreme opposites to define God's supreme power, and is concluded with the phrase "I the Lord do all these things." I find, based on the use of extreme opposites, as well as the contextual declaration of the Lord's all-mighty nature, and the frequency of translation of the words in question, based on Hebrew definition, as "peace" and "evil," that the words are likely translated accurately, particularly considering the typical biblical contrast between the concepts of "light" and "darkness," and that of "good" and "evil." I would also like to point to verse 9 ""Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker, to him who is but a potsherd among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, 'What are you making?' Does your work say, 'He has no hands'?" This verse again portrays God as the Creator of all things, and is used by Paul [Romans 9:18-22] to contrast the concept here discussed: "Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:" I would also like to point to another verse, still directed towards Cyrus, this one from Chapter 44 of Isaiah [verse 24], keeping the same context as chapter 45: "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" I will conclude by stating that the above disemination is based on what I have been lead to find using a concept you advocate, as do I, of allowing scripture to interperate scripture, and by God above, to whom I credit my learning. I can find no definative verse that instructs that the Lord did not create evil, but I can find a number of verses that either describe the evil created, or directly state God creates everything, or that, in fact, God creates that which is evil. |
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26 | How do you address? | Gen 1:31 | Stultis the Fool | 127318 | ||
TGC, I am excited that you have chosen to respond as you have, and I am equally glad to continue this search for truth. I duely appologize for the delinquency of my reply, but I was away from my computer all afternoon and evening. I will gladly reply as requested, though not here... I will reply to the threads in question. |
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27 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Stultis the Fool | 127257 | ||
I have posted this in several places to make sure it adequately addresses the problem at hand. EdB... Speaking as someone who was viewing this thread from afar.... I see Ancient has stopped replying to you because of the brashness of your words and their intentional isulting qualities. I can see by this post that your personal crusade to ridicule him has not been assuaged. I am not yet tried in my patience, so I will respond to you on his behalf because you have hounded him to weakness. You are accusatory, your opinions and judgement and condemnation are completely unfounded. You are debating him... or should I say baiting him, specifically for the purpose of strife. For this reason you are become the burning tongue of fire. He has pleaded with you to refrain from your attacks, and you have instead intensified your pursuit of him. Christ tells us we will know a vine by its fruits. I should sincerely hope that the wrotten fruit you are hurling is something you picked up from the ground, and not at all the culmination of the flower of your faith. I should have this hope because while there is life, there is hope. However, I am not so naive, and I recognize that you refuse to concede one inch to his obvious logic, despite the scripture he most accurately quotes, despite his genuine attitude of love for those to whom he writes (even you), despite the fact that the wisdom he subscribes to is easily entreated, despite the fact that the wisdom he subscribes to is sound and without hypocracy, and despite the fact that he is BEGGING you to stop being a stumbling block before him. EdB, I will conclude my thoughts above with your own words: "I think that clearly shows there is something fundamentally amiss in this person." |
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28 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Stultis the Fool | 127256 | ||
I have posted this in several places to make sure it adequately addresses the problem at hand. EdB... Speaking as someone who was viewing this thread from afar.... I see Ancient has stopped replying to you because of the brashness of your words and their intentional isulting qualities. I can see by this post that your personal crusade to ridicule him has not been assuaged. I am not yet tried in my patience, so I will respond to you on his behalf because you have hounded him to weakness. You are accusatory, your opinions and judgement and condemnation are completely unfounded. You are debating him... or should I say baiting him, specifically for the purpose of strife. For this reason you are become the burning tongue of fire. He has pleaded with you to refrain from your attacks, and you have instead intensified your pursuit of him. Christ tells us we will know a vine by its fruits. I should sincerely hope that the wrotten fruit you are hurling is something you picked up from the ground, and not at all the culmination of the flower of your faith. I should have this hope because while there is life, there is hope. However, I am not so naive, and I recognize that you refuse to concede one inch to his obvious logic, despite the scripture he most accurately quotes, despite his genuine attitude of love for those to whom he writes (even you), despite the fact that the wisdom he subscribes to is easily entreated, despite the fact that the wisdom he subscribes to is sound and without hypocracy, and despite the fact that he is BEGGING you to stop being a stumbling block before him. EdB, I will conclude my thoughts above with your own words: "I think that clearly shows there is something fundamentally amiss in this person." |
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29 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Stultis the Fool | 127254 | ||
I have posted this in two places to make sure it adequately addresses the problem at hand. EdB... Speaking as someone who was viewing this thread from afar.... I see Ancient has stopped replying to you because of the brashness of your words and their intentional isulting qualities. I can see by this post that your personal crusade to ridicule him has not been assuaged. I am not yet tried in my patience, so I will respond to you on his behalf because you have hounded him to weakness. You are accusatory, your opinions and judgement and condemnation are completely unfounded. You are debating him... or should I say baiting him, specifically for the purpose of strife. For this reason you are become the burning tongue of fire. He has pleaded with you to refrain from your attacks, and you have instead intensified your pursuit of him. Christ tells us we will know a vine by its fruits. I should sincerely hope that the wrotten fruit you are hurling is something you picked up from the ground, and not at all the culmination of the flower of your faith. I should have this hope because while there is life, there is hope. However, I am not so naive, and I recognize that you refuse to concede one inch to his obvious logic, despite the scripture he most accurately quotes, despite his genuine attitude of love for those to whom he writes (even you), despite the fact that the wisdom he subscribes to is easily entreated, despite the fact that the wisdom he subscribes to is sound and without hypocracy, and despite the fact that he is BEGGING you to stop being a stumbling block before him. EdB, I will conclude my thoughts above with your own words: "I think that clearly shows there is something fundamentally amiss in this person." |
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30 | How do you explain? | Gen 1:31 | Stultis the Fool | 127226 | ||
What difference does all that make? I assure you that just as it was the intent of the Law to condemn all unrighteousness, it was also the intent of the Law that the Lamb of God be sacrificed. Consider the prphecy of Isaiah 53:10 "Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand." I agree that the Lord did not "murder" His Son, but He was ultimately responsible for the death (or sacrifice, if you like). |
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31 | How do you substantiate your answere? | Gen 1:31 | Stultis the Fool | 127222 | ||
Angel, thank you for the reply! However, I find your reply to be riddled with opinions concerning the traditional origin of Satan which is a contestable subject and nowhere scripturally verifyable. Please read more on the subject before you definitively attribute such authority to Isaiah Chapter 14. I will answere your your questions: "You may choose to contest and to reject Scripture--you have that right given to you by God--but refusing to allow the Holy Spirit to enlighten you is not a wise and obedient act!" I agree with you. Now I will add that I am vexed to think that you believe my unacceptance of the traditional view that Isaiah chapter 14 refers to Satan somehow makes me disobedient to God. Thank you for pointing to the splinter in my eye! Now consider the mote in yours. "Proverbs tells us that there isn’t a good woman among a thousand--do you believe that?" YES "Jesus tells us that John is Elijah; yet John tells us that he is not, who do you believe?" JESUS "God tells us that in Him there is no sin/evil--do you believe God?" YES "Do you believe God to be petty and drunk on power?" NO "Well you must since you are convinced that He created evil: nothing escapes God’s power, for Him to create a nemesis it would be for the simple joy of the hunt!" You make an uninformed assumption. Have you read Job 1:8? "Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job?..." Have you read 1 Kings 22:19-23 "Micaiah said, "Therefore, hear the word of the LORD. I saw the LORD sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by Him on His right and on His left. The LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said this while another said that. Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.' The LORD said to him, 'How?' And he said, 'I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' Then He said, 'YOU ARE TO ENTICE HIM AND ALSO PREVAIL.' Go and do so.' Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the LORD has proclaimed disaster against you." "Again, we must be careful how we read Scripture… we simply cannot grab something and indiscriminately run with it stating all sorts of twisted half truths" I agree. "Show me in Scripture where it is stated that God created evil and that God created Satan!" ISAIAH 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." "Sometimes a serpent is just a serpent… have you thought of the possibility that Job 23:13 is merely speaking of the slithering snakes/serpents?" Yes, but I do not believe that to be the case. "As far as Ecclesiastes (a pessimistic view of life devoid of hope) 7:13, have you considered a crooked road, tree, branch, river, island, mountain, precipice, spinal column?" Look up the word "crooked" in a KJV concordance and see for yourself how many times it is used to describe wickedness. I will add more scripture to the long list I have already given you: Exodus 32:10-14 "Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation. Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation. And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said, LORD, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand? Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people. Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever. And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people." Thank you for your concluding words of encouragement. However, I must dontinue to disagree with you because of what the scripture says, as well as your lack of presentation of substantial information. What you present is assumptive and based most specifically on inference, while the scriptures I read and quote are specific, demonstrative, and quite contrary to what you advocate. To conclude, and to avoid the knee-jerking that seems to precipitate based on assumptions of my beliefs, I feel it neccesary to make this disclaimer: I DO NOT BELIEVE GOD IS EVIL. |
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32 | Can God create a rock soo big? | Matt 17:20 | Stultis the Fool | 127181 | ||
Perhaps another question is more appropriate. The insinuation behind the question, "Can God create a rock so big, even he can't lift it?" is another question: "Can God contradict himself?" I put forth that the scripture that answers this question is Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." |
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33 | How do you explain? | Gen 1:31 | Stultis the Fool | 127180 | ||
Thank you for the reply! I will certainly agree that Man is condemned because he does not obey the will of God. However, there are a great many scriptures that will support the belief that the flesh is corrupt; Pauls Epistle to the Romans is riddled with the concept. View chapter 7 in particular, but you will also find reference in Peters 1st epistle and Corinthians will provide ample additional witness. As well, there are ample scriptures to support that God creates man. Aditionaly, Psalm 51 predicates itself with the concept. Man sins because he is corrupt. You have not adequately explained the scriptures I quoted, and you have not substantiated your opinion with scripture. Additionaly, you claim that if God created evil, that would make Him responsible for the death of His own Son, but I tell you plainly, that God was most directly responsible for the death of Christ (something you claim to be evil), or have you never read that "...God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son..." Please, explain your position in light of the scriptures I have quoted. |
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34 | How do you explain? | Gen 1:31 | Stultis the Fool | 127178 | ||
Isaiah 27:1 concurs that Job speaks of the devil: "In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea." The Hebrew concurs that this word as well is referring to the "fleeing" serpent. | ||||||
35 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Stultis the Fool | 127041 | ||
You wrote: "Although it's a tough thing for some people to do, in my opinion we should learn to give up our love affair with the OT and put its AUTHORITY on a shelf and move on with modern christianity as described in the NT." I agree with you. |
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36 | The Real stature of Satan | Is 14:16 | Stultis the Fool | 126991 | ||
I certainly understand your explanation. However, I would like to point out that, in the event this is prophecy, the verses need not follow a "break," to change meaning from scripture at hand to prophecy. I believe that in every capacity this passage describes, as Isaiah intended, the King of Babylon. However, I get the impression that similar to other instances of Christ Prophecy in the Old Testament, the prophecy is incripted into the literal intent of the passage. Consider the example in Malachi 2:5 and 2:6. "My covenant with him was one of life and peace, and I gave them to him as an object of reverence; so he revered Me and stood in awe of My name. True instruction was in his mouth and unrighteousness was not found on his lips; he walked with Me in peace and uprightness, and he turned many back from iniquity." By context this passage is describing "Levi," but by implication is most certainly prophecy of the Christ. I suppose my point is this: a passage or particular verse need not be isolated in topic to be prophetic. Frequently it seems, the passage is written about something entirely unrelated. Just look to the Psalms. Anyway, I appreciate your time and thoughtfulness. Any idea why this thread is restricted. |
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37 | Out of curiosity? | Is 14:16 | Stultis the Fool | 126962 | ||
I appologize, but you beg the question: If God is no respector of persons, and we are not to be a respector of persons, what does being "published" have to do with anything? Many people have published many things, but that most certainly does not guarantee the veracity of what they write. I will add that a fact should be established on the basis of two or three witnesses, and again, where two or three are gathered, there I am amongst you. Please understand, I am not trying to fight, but rather to gain some insight into your methodology. Do we both seem to be in agreement regarding the verse in question (Isaiah 14:16)? |
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38 | Why not? | OT general | Stultis the Fool | 126951 | ||
For scripture, read my post below... "Thoughts?" | ||||||
39 | The Real stature of Satan | Is 14:16 | Stultis the Fool | 126946 | ||
There is debate as to wether or not Isaiah chapter 14 is, in fact, refering to Satan. I have come to understand that some believe the prophet is referring in whole or in part to the king of Babylon [Isaiah 14:4], and still other information points to Messianic prophecy; specifically the verse which we use to derive refference to Satan, Isaiah 14:12 "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!" See 2 Peter 1:19 "So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts." See Revelation 2:26 "He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, TO HIM I WILL GIVE AUTHORITY OVER THE NATIONS;[Rev 2:27] AND HE SHALL RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON, AS THE VESSELS OF THE POTTER ARE BROKEN TO PIECES, as I also have received authority from My Father;[Rev 2:28] and I will give him the morning star." Also, see Revelation 22:16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star." The context of Isaiah 14:12 seems to indicate prophecy of Christ. This would eliminate reference to "Satan," in verse 12, and would likely place verse 16 in reference to "the King of Babylon." Food for thought. |
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40 | This post is restricted. What gives? | Bible general Archive 2 | Stultis the Fool | 126811 | ||
How much you want to bet "restrictedness" does not solve any problems, and does not foster an outcome that will develope a Church that is of "one mind" and in "accord." I do gamble :P | ||||||
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