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21 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30330 | ||
Oh, I have been called lots of things too. But the only one I claim is "Christian". (Ok, I actually like "follower of the way" too - Acts 22:4-NIV) | ||||||
22 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30341 | ||
But see, the difference is that you are misrepresenting the point of the parable. That parable talks about ask and you shall recieve, knock and the door will be open. It is made clear that if we do this, God WILL respond. So your generalization goes against that parable. The one I brought up does no such thing. You are simply ignoring part of what Jesus said in order to maintain your belife. Bless...ArtS |
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23 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30347 | ||
It fits in the EXACT way the other two parables fit in. All three speak about saving the lost - the coin, the sheep, the son. You are picking on this one parable and ignoring the other two that address the same thing. They are all talking about saving the lost. This one just talks about that were saved, the lost then saved "again". Hebrews is easy. Can that person renew themselves? No. Can we renew them? No. Can God? Yes: Matt 19:26 And looking at them Jesus said to them, "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Look at those verses again though. It says in the case of those who HAVE BEEN partakers of the Holy Spirit and THEN have fallen away. It clearly says they CAN fall away. And no, we can't get them back, only God can. Bless...ArtS |
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24 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30475 | ||
Excuse me? I have read and studied the Bible and continue to do so. Reguardles if you can't handle someone pointing out flaws in your intrepetations. Pull the plank out of your eye before commentin on a splnter in mine. Bless...ArtS |
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25 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30477 | ||
sory, I cannot see that. This one talks about a son, who had an inheritance from the father (God). That means he was saved. Then the father, God, clearly says the son was lost and dead. Then became found and alive "again". I guess I don't like the term to "loose your salvation". Its not a matter of loosing it or having it taken away. Its a matter of rejecting it when we turn from God. How many times? Don't know. How many times can you truely accept Christ then turn away? In reality, I can't see this happening much, but I have seen it twice. One turned away then back (after a rape). One turned away after seeing his mother waste away with cancer. The second hasn't returned unfrtunately. Bless...ARtS |
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26 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30480 | ||
Please show me where oyu assertain that my "Art's analysis of the parable of the prodigal son is not based on sound principles of Biblical interpretation". Excuse me? Just because you refuse to accept what Jesus point blank says, does not ditract from my Biblical intrepretation. The father is God. The son was a a son, he had an inheritance from God. what we inherit is the kingdom of God (Mat 25:34). Therefore he was saved because that is how we get an "inheritance" (1Pet1). God then says he became dead to God. when he returned to God, there was a celebration. Why? The parable before shows us why, because the sinner epented and came to God. Alive, dead, alive. Where else is this supported? Heb 6:4-6 shows we CAN fall away. Mark 9:42 shows we can cause others (little ones) to sin. Romans 11:22-23 show that some people fell yet if they discontinue their unbelife, they can be grafted back in (sorry, it uses "those" and "you" which imply people, not nations). In Galatians 5, Paul is talking to the church, to believers and in verse 4 says by trying to follow the law, some have fallen away. And on and on. Furthermore, The parable in question is one of three righ there about the same topic - Jesus saving the lost. Not about pharasies grumbling. You have not showen once where the other two relate to the pharasies grumbling to establish the contxt you are trying to force this parable into. Instead, I have shown where my intrepretation fit into the context of the other parables Jesus was giving at the same time. Remember, there are two other parables between where the pharasies "grumble" and this one. BOTH of those speak to Jesus coming to save and say NOTHING about the pharasies "grumblings". Why pray tell are you so certain Jesus would speak twice of salvation, then stop speaking of salvation to wander back and make suck a weak statment against the pharasies grumbling? No, sorry, Jesus was speaking of saving thelost in the parable of the sheep, then in the parable of the coin, then in this parable as well. But if you do not ignore Jesus words, you clearly see this lost person He is saving WAS savd before. So please, show me where I am not comparing scripture to scripture. Show me where my intrepretation is out of context with the rest of what Jesus is saying in that lesson. Oterwise, believe Jesus' own words and not the doctrine you hold so firmly to. Bless...ArtS |
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27 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30616 | ||
Once again, you attack me and not what I say. You do not address the verses I use to support what I say, instead attack splling to defend your view. My arguments are sound and supported as I have shown. Feel free to hang onto your stubborn refusal of the words of Jesus and grasp on to your doctrine if it makes you feel so supperior. Bless...ArtS |
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28 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30618 | ||
What is up with tis forum. Do I see one single thread of discussion there about what I said? No. One single verse to counter? No. Instead, just more insults. Yes, I am at church 2-3 times a week (Lutheran but I do not claim the denomination). This includes 2-3 services a week (I'm in the band), Bible Study, and small group. Not including the countless studies and times reading individual verses and chapters, I am currently on my third time reading through the Bible in a third version of it. Besides reading the Bible (and the occasional Left Behind novel), pretty much all my reading is in non-fiction Christian studies, science and growth. Televangelists? I heard Billy Grahm speak once. Sounded good, but didn't trip my trigger. Go ahead, keep ignoring what the Bible says and keep attacking me. Have fun! Bless...ArtS |
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29 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30620 | ||
Sorry, those are Jesus' words. All He would hav had to do is not say them to change the meaning. Yet He did. He is perfect, you and I are not. Had He not wanted it to mean that, He would not has misspoke. You say exactly what I mean. No, the son didn't litterally die. But he died to the Father, he died to God. What does it mean to be dead to God? To not be saved. You are also right, this parable IS about the lost being found. This just happens to be someone who WAS found, then lost, then found "again". Bless...ArtS |
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30 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30621 | ||
Ok...? The first two deal with the lost being found; with Jesus' giving salvation. So does the third. However the third is dealing with one who WAS alive with God, then dead, then alive "again." I'm sorry, its right there. The only way to deny it is to ignore what is said. Bless...ArtS |
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31 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30642 | ||
I did not say this was due to a sin. The other son sinned too when he complained, but he didn't loose it. In fact, the prodigal didn't "loose" it either, he gave it up. You are right, he lost his inheritnce. But what is our inheritance? It IS the kingdom of God. Matthew 25:34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world." Not only does it say he became lost to the father (God), but "dead". Those who are dead to the father (God) are those who are not saved, who are not in Him. We cannot loose our salvation by sinning. But we can reject it. Bless...ArtS |
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32 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30673 | ||
I disagree, there are three parables in a row - lost sheep, lost coin, lost son. Why would the first two talk about one thing and then the third completely switch when it 100 percent fits and expands on the first two? As far as giving up the inheritance, loosing it would imply that he did something wrong and it was taken from him. This did not happen. Instead, he gave it up. Is there precident for this? Genesis 25:31-34. Esau gave his inheritance away to get food, just as the prodigal gave his away for earthly wealth. And what happened to Jacob and Esau? God loved Jacob and hated Esau (Mal 1:2-3). In the same sense, when the prodigal forfited his inheritance, he became dead to God until he came back to Him. Bless...ArtS |
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33 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30691 | ||
That's very pretty. But You are writing between the lines. Look at what it DOES say, not what you'd like it to say. Does the son or the father say the son was lost? The father. Does the son or the father say the son was dead? The father. How did he become dead to the father? Just as the verse says: Luke 15:24 for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.' And they began to celebrate. Its right there. It may not be as fun and goody goody as your version, but its what God says. Bless...ArtS |
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34 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30810 | ||
Sorry... You added that. The father never says he "thought" his son was dead. He said his son WAS dead. Bless...ArtS |
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35 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30824 | ||
I'm not having any problems understanding the prodigal. Makes perfect sense to me. Bless...ArtS |
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36 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30890 | ||
He was not physically dead. He was dead to God. Just like all non believers are (Let the dead bury the dead). When he returned to God, he was made alive "again" in God. Bless...ArtS |
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37 | We perfect our faith? | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30895 | ||
Grrrr... I just wrote a long reply, hit send, it said I couldn't use one symbol I used, I hit back, and it was all gone. In brief (because I dont want to retype the long one), we do not "deny Christ" when we sin. When we sin, we sin. When we sin, we are not following His commands (John 14:21-24), but that does not mean we have denied Christ. Just that we have sinned. The Matthew verses do not say this is a final decision and any attemp to make them say that is from you, not from God's words. No where does it say its a one-time decesion. denying God after we have received Him can be for many reasons. For you to say its because our first choice was done without "much conviction" is a judgment we cannot make. I have seen people lead away by believing Satan's lies, one by death and one by being raped. For me to say "well, they just really didn't believe before" is for me to judge them. The thief did exactly what you said mocks God. He denied Christ all his life "until just prior to death, then be fully reinstated to a sinless state with no accountability." I would like you to find one verse that says we cnnot be lost all our lives and not saved at the end of it. Or find me one verse that says if we knock, God will not always open the door. Jesus IS our salvation, period. He offers it as a free gift to us. All we do is accept or deny it. "Super Arminian", lol. Do I get a cape with that? Gotta love labels. Bless...ArtS |
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38 | We perfect our faith? | Matt 22:37 | Rom831 | 30900 | ||
Technically, yes we can "do as much of it as we please". But not in reality because, as Christians, we strive not to. Faith without works is dead, remember? but we ALL DO sin. Sin is sin. Denying Christ and therefore His gift of salvation is totally different. I'm not saying Jesus denying us is a little thing. It very much IS a big thing. But we see Jesus say that if we deny Him, so will He deny us. his words, not mine. saying tat non believers will go to hell is not judging them. Its repeating what Jesus said will happen. Saying "You are going to hell" is different than saying "If you don't believe in Jesus, you will go to hell." The first is a judgment. The second is an if/then statement and is conditional. Ok... There is also a difference between a deathbed acceptance and a calculated deathbed acceptance. Acceptace, at anytime, has to be sincere, not just words you say to get a get out of hell free card. If you say "I'm going to party and have fun and sin all over, and wait until I'm dying, then accept Christ" it would raise grave concerns on the sincerity of their final acceptance. Bless...ArtS |
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39 | Please explain the Trinity. | John 1:1 | Rom831 | 29525 | ||
This is a TOUGH subject. The Bible never uses the word and only speaks indirectly towards it. Churches have debated this for ages. My wife and I don't even agree on it. But here is the best explanation I have come up with on my belief. Think of God the father, Son and Holy Spirit as three 7s: 7 7 7 Each of these 7s are identical, you cannot tell them apart. They have the same characteristics - they are all 7s. But you can tell by looking at them, that they are indeed three separate 7s. They are indeed the same, yet they are each distinct. So are the Father, Son and Holy spirit. They are all God, yet they are separate. Again, this is my view. My wife and my church believe differently (They'd say there was only one "7" and it just appeared in different forms) but this is WAY confusing to me and ends up portraying a schitzo Jesus. But that is MY opinion. Why is it so important? To me, it really isn't except that you believe Jesus is God and not just a man, or even a perfect man. Either view of the trinity I listed still believes that they are all God. Yeah, that's as clear as mud... |
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40 | Please explain the Trinity. | John 1:1 | Rom831 | 29568 | ||
Huh? First, I don't get what that has to do with the thread topic. Second, what you are saying sure sounds like works and a lot more "enlightenment" than is taught. I'm saved by my faith in Christ despite myself. I'll never think like, act like or speak like Christ. I'm a flawed sinner, He wasn't. I can never even fully comprehend God little lone pretend to be like Him. He's God, I'm not. Bless...ArtS |
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