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41 | The Purpose of Hell? | Rom 9:20 | Rom831 | 29868 | ||
I agree. What I was poorly trying to say is that God doesn't just sit in heaven, point to some random person and say "condemned". We are saved or condemned based on if we have accepted Christ. The choice is ours. If WE believe, we are given God's grace and are saved. If WE do not, we are condemned because of that choice. Not simply because God picked us to suffer. Bless...ArtS |
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42 | The Purpose of Hell? | Rom 9:20 | Rom831 | 30026 | ||
I'm going to have to post a seperate thread I guess. This brings up a long standing question on God being just. Hope you look fo it... Bless...ArtS |
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43 | What does predestinated means | Ephesians | Rom831 | 29004 | ||
You're looking at this from our point of view in linear time, not from God's point of view from eternity. It does not say that God chose the elect by name to be saved. It says those who are with Him are the chosen. Yes, our names are written there, because we believe, not out of a cosmic lottery. Mark 16:16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved" Notice, "saved" comes after "believed". If we had to be chosen first, we'd be chosen to be saved, so we believed. I'm sorry. Feel free to disagree. But the only way to reconcile all of scripture, is for us to have the choice. Otherwise spreading the gospel as Jesus commands is pointless, belife is irrellevant, Jesus' whole ministery of belife is wasted air, Jesus died for nothing, and God does NOT desire that none shall be lost but instead is an evil being who has condemned the majority of people to an eternity of suffering in a lake of fire by HIS will alone. Not to mention, if God chose me specifically for heaven and specifically chose someone else for hell, MAN what a boasting right!! "He chose me and not you and there's nothing you can do about it!! " It just doesn't work. As for your other post on foreknowledge, again I'm sorry, but instead of twisting His words, lets believe what He says. John 6:64 "But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe. There, the word "fore knowledge" isn't used so you can't twist it. It says that Jesus knew who would not believe. Not who were not allowed to believe or not chosen so they couldn't believe. Bless...ArtS |
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44 | What does predestinated means | Ephesians | Rom831 | 29038 | ||
We are all novices. No one can fully understand God and His ways. We just have to keep striving. Bless...ArtS |
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45 | What does predestinated means | Ephesians | Rom831 | 29324 | ||
Sure we can. We cannot fully understand Him or His ways, but we can surely see that they are not ours. And we can see that He is not bound by the things He has created, such as OUR view of linear time. Then we can look at how things would be without the constraints of such hindering things. Bless...ArtS |
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46 | John 3:16.. whoever believes not perish? | Rev 13:8 | Rom831 | 28955 | ||
Not at all! WE make the choice to believe or not believe. Believing in no way makes us deserve to go to Heaven. We are still as much sinners as those who do not believe. There is nothing we can do, or have done to deserve to go to Heaven. What god did was to, in advance say, "OK, I have two groups of people: those who'll believe in My Son and those who won't. So what I'm going to do, is that for all of those who choose to accept My Son, their sins will be paid for by My son's death and they will be with Me." And through Jesus, He gives US the choice which group to join; those who He has allowed to be covered by the blood of Jesus, or those who willfully reject it and are condemned. He predestined the group, not the individule. He has then said to us, "Now its up to you. Believe and be saved, do not believe and be condemned." He puts no one there, we do that ourselves. Bless...ArtS |
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47 | John 3:16.. whoever believes not perish? | Rev 13:8 | Rom831 | 28956 | ||
Not at all! WE make the choice to believe or not believe. Believing in no way makes us deserve to go to Heaven. We are still as much sinners as those who do not believe. There is nothing we can do, or have done to deserve to go to Heaven. What god did was to, in advance say, "OK, I have two groups of people: those who'll believe in My Son and those who won't. So what I'm going to do, is that for all of those who choose to accept My Son, their sins will be paid for by My son's death and they will be with Me." And through Jesus, He gives US the choice which group to join; those who He has allowed to be covered by the blood of Jesus, or those who willfully reject it and are condemned. He predestined the group, not the individule. He has then said to us, "Now its up to you. Believe and be saved, do not believe and be condemned." He puts no one there, we do that ourselves. Bless...ArtS |
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