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21 | Is the Word-Faith movement biblical ? | John 10:27 | Hiram Abiff | 8147 | ||
Mark, your comments were taken in the intended spirit by me. I had already left that particular Church when I asked the question. I guess I felt the need for some other viewpoints. I was LED to believe that I was being walked down a wrong path and learned a valuable lesson about listening to the voice of God in my heart. | ||||||
22 | Holy Spirit and the nature of God? | Heb 1:2 | Hiram Abiff | 8138 | ||
Thank you Steve and Ray. You guys have helped me see the issue more clearly. Through prayer, Bible study and meditation this weekend I am finally at peace and have come to terms with the issue. God bless you. | ||||||
23 | Holy Spirit and the nature of God? | Heb 1:2 | Hiram Abiff | 8014 | ||
Ray, I think that we are discussing two different issues on the same thread. Can we discuss my question about the makeup of the Godhead on this thread and your question on the other thread? If I don’t compartmentalize these I may get confused and start debating myself as well as you. | ||||||
24 | Holy Spirit and the nature of God? | Heb 1:2 | Hiram Abiff | 8010 | ||
Ray, Apparently I was mistaken about Heb. 2:6. The capitalization you pointed out seems to indicate humans without divinity are being referred to in both parts. I base this on KJV and ASV. I am clueless about the NASB as I have never studied it and do not know its punctuation (capitalization) scheme. NASB HEB 2:6 But one has testified somewhere, saying, "WHAT IS MAN, THAT YOU REMEMBER HIM? OR THE SON OF MAN, THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HIM? ASV HEB 2:6 But one hath somewhere testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Or the son of man, that thou visitest him? KJV HEB 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? If this is true your question is not addressed in this scripture. “We can only have one father” We have one human father and one heavenly Father. “Jesus especially can have one Father because of His nature.” I don’t know where you got the impression that I believe Jesus had more than one Father. I believe Jesus had one Father and no father. “In other words, you can not have a historical Jesus of the atheist who thinks of Him as Joseph's son. (Or at best think of Him as the Son of man.) I don't believe you can have a Son of man and a Son of Man.” My statement pertained to an atheist’s concept of Jesus. I do not believe there was a bodily Jesus and separate spiritual Jesus walking the earth together (if I’m reading your opinion of my view correctly), that would be ludicrous. The Readers Digest Condensed version of my view. Jesus was conceived by God and Mary by Immaculate Conception. God miraculously impregnated Mary. No man’s sperm was involved, neither Joseph’s nor anybody else’s. Jesus was both man and God at the same time in one body. When Jesus ascended into heaven it was as a spirit being (God), where He resides today. Let me phrase the question differently again; is a correct view of the makeup of the Godhead (in heaven at this present time) necessary for salvation? |
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25 | Holy Spirit and the nature of God? | Heb 1:2 | Hiram Abiff | 8003 | ||
Ray, Not ignoring you. Must study and think (don't want to look like too big of an idiot) I will reply soon. | ||||||
26 | Is the Word-Faith movement biblical ? | John 10:27 | Hiram Abiff | 7992 | ||
Tim, I’m sorry for your loss and ashamed that any Christian would be so callous and unfeeling toward you and your family. I feel fortunate to have left before I suffered anything more than a bruised heart. Since this was my introduction to Christianity I now find myself reevaluating everything I was taught and told. Kind of trying to separate the wheat from the chaff. | ||||||
27 | Holy Spirit and the nature of God? | Heb 1:2 | Hiram Abiff | 7990 | ||
Hi Ray, I have not seen your question on Heb 2:6.I will look for it and answer if I can. I believe Christ was God / man while on earth and I believe He is in heaven now. My confusion lies in whether He is the full Godhead or an equal member of a triune Godhead. But to restate my question. If I believe in the wrong concept of God's nature (meaning the make-up of the Godhead) can I really have salvation? Many atheist and other non-believers believe in a historical Jesus, but deny His nature as God (or part of God) and therefore cannot receive salvation until they accept the nature of Jesus. John 3:15 does not refer to accepting a historical Jesus, but a divine Jesus. Using the same logic, if I don’t understand the true nature, am I saved any more than the atheist who does not understand is? |
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28 | Is the Word-Faith movement biblical ? | John 10:27 | Hiram Abiff | 7895 | ||
Apparently I have only been exposed to the extremist point of view of WF. I am involved in a discussion on this subject on another board and found this post from that thread informative. (Copied w/ permission and edited to remove unrelated comments.) Jason Paul Lifter Posts: 213 (6/20/01 2:29:08 pm) Reply Balance I have heard and read a lot of Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis, etc. I don't agree with everything they say. But, before you judge them (or others), be familiar with their message. The Word-Faith teachers, on the whole, don't really teach that God is required to give you whatever you want. Generally, they teach that you should find PROMISES in the Bible regarding a situation, and stand on those promises. God keeps his promises. I agree that many of the Word-Faith teachers go overboard at times regarding material things. But, as a general message, it really just means to assess your needs, with the help of the Holy Spirit, find scripture promising to fill that need, and stand on that promise. Also, you should never simply believe what someone says just because they're holding a Bible. True, the Bible warns about becoming a teacher because of the responsibility. But, you are capable of checking teachers with the Bible yourself. Read Acts (I don't have my Bible here). The people were actually commended for checking the teachings with scripture. Always check for yourself. These are just my thoughts. Get wisdom. Wisdom comes from a balance between the Word in your head, and the Spirit in your heart. Jason Well I'm better than dirt! Well... most kinds of dirt... not that fancy storebought dirt. That stuff's loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff. - Moe Szyslak |
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29 | Is the Word-Faith movement biblical ? | John 10:27 | Hiram Abiff | 7835 | ||
Mark, you are right. That remark was judgemental and out of line. Thanks for pointing it out. | ||||||
30 | Is the Word-Faith movement biblical ? | John 10:27 | Hiram Abiff | 7830 | ||
Thank you guys. You have helped to confirm in my mind that I made the right decision. I feel that I was and every sincere Christian in that congregation is being misled. The term "false prophet" comes to mind. | ||||||
31 | Scripture is clear, right? | Acts 11:1 | Hiram Abiff | 6935 | ||
Dear Hank, I just reread your comment and realized I went off on a tangent and didn’t answer your question. Their whole doctrine is based on the 2nd. chapter of Acts. Their reading of the account of the day of Pentecost is that not only did the people who were saved on that day speak in tongues but also this set the rule for all future people who are saved. This makes tongues at the time of salvation a requirement. If you debate the issue with them they usually say tongues is the (not a) sign that the Holy Ghost has entered your body, but if you do not experience tongues you are not saved in their eyes. I personally have no desire to be saved in any human’s eyes, but in Jesus eyes and my heart. By the way I believe the full plan of salvation is Acts 2:38. Christian, Husband, Texan, American |
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32 | Scripture is clear if we are open, right | Acts 11:1 | Hiram Abiff | 6908 | ||
I was raised in a Oneness Pentecostal church (tongues required for salvation) till the age of 15, at which point I quit and didn't go to any church until age 42. I was recently saved at a church that believes in tongues as a sign but not a requirement. This is also my present belief based on reading the Bible. I've seen people praying for hours in a very highly charged emotional atmosphere, being pulled on, rocked and yelled at until they seem to be experiencing physical and emotional fatigue. This seems to be the point that most speak in tongues. It would be very interesting to see a study of how many people who were brought to Christ in this manner continue to be practicing Christians after say six months. | ||||||
33 | Looking to download the NASB | Bible general Archive 1 | Hiram Abiff | 6906 | ||
The FreeBible software is great. It comes in King James version w/ downloadable plugins for other versions. The search feature is very useful. Go to www.freebible.com Oh yeah it's free. | ||||||
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