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21 | What the scripture say about morality? | Ps 119:1 | ChristLifer2001 | 46768 | ||
Makarios, Amen, bro! Is the Law sin? Certainly not! It is indeed holy, righteous, and good (a reflection of the perfection of God). And it is certainly necessary to bring sinners to a knowledge that they are dead and require a Savior. As you have rightly stated, the sinful flesh uses the Law to cause us to sin. This is why Christians must not try to live under the Law. If we do, we will certainly be walking in the flesh. Thankfully, God has placed us under a higher law - the law of love - and He fulfills the righteous requirements through us! What a wonderful salvation we enjoy! Thanks for the correspondence, bro! ChristLifer2001 |
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22 | Jesus said PRAY THIS PRAYER | Matt 6:9 | ChristLifer2001 | 47594 | ||
Dosaquies, Actually, Jesus did not say, "Pray this prayer." He said, "Pray in THIS WAY." Is there a difference? I think so and a BIG one at that. You have listed some of the themes in what we have named the "Lord's Prayer." Those themes reflect the intimate relationship that our Lord has with His Father and that we should have with our Father. But, in many cases, we have done exactly what the Lord has told us NOT to do. He says in verse 7, "When you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words." The Gentiles thought that the more often they repeated a prayer, the more likely that their gods would sit up and take notice. Christians, on the other hand are heard, not because of repetition, but because God is our Father. Now, I am not saying that the Lord's prayer in this passage is meaningless repetition. It certainly is not. But we only have one record of our Lord using these exact words and phrases this one time. He did not use this particular "formula" in His High Priestly Prayer. No where does Jesus say to use this prayer as a mantra. In fact, He is teaching the exact opposite. But it is human nature to substitute religion for reality of relationship, so now in many churches people just go through the motions of mouthing these words falsely believing that they are "praying." Prayer is, and should be, first and foremost an expression of the heart, never meaningless repetition. The church has done the same thing with the prayer of Jabez. What was one man's petition to God, we have taken and turned it into a chant to try to get God to do something for us. So while our Lord's prayer in this passage does reflect an intimate relationship, we must be careful that we don't take the letter and turn it into the law. Pharisees loved to do this. Legalists love to do this. They love formulas and endless lists of do's and don't's, thinking that it is what a person does or does not do that makes them holy. Jesus is not a formula nor is He a list. He is a real Person and He lives inside us. The Holy Spirit is faithful in leading us to pray as we should. We have no need for a mantra, we have Christ. Hope this helps. ChristLifer2001 |
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23 | Where does the Bible say all have heard? | John 14:6 | ChristLifer2001 | 44616 | ||
Brother Tim, Just an interesting side note: Rev 14:6 records that John saw an angel flying in the mid-heavens preaching an eternal gospel to all those who live on the earth, to every nation and tribe and tonge and people. It is interesting that I have heard most of my life that Christ cannot return until the gospel is preached to the whole earth. Of course Matthew 28 seems to give us this "great comission." But it also seems that God Himself completely fulfills this prophecy just before the six bowls of wrath are poured out and the subsequent battle of Armageddon when our Lord returns. Just a side note. Enjoy your blessings in Christ, ChristLifer2001 |
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24 | Imputed Righteousness | Rom 4:6 | ChristLifer2001 | 52841 | ||
Joe, Romans 6:23 says that eternal life is a gift of God. It does not say that we are made righteous. Actually it does, my friend. When did you become a sinner? When you sinned? Not according to scripture. You were born into this world a sinner because you were born "in Adam." So when do you become righteous? As soon as you are born again "in Christ." Paul writes in Eph 4:24 that this new self, the new man is in the likeness of God, has been (past tense) created, and is righteous and holy. Notice the verb tenses in Romans 5:19. Many were made sinners (past) because of Adam's transgression. Many WILL BE made righteous (future) because of Christ's obedience. This supports my point, Joe. You did not become a sinner when you sinned. You were born that way. You do not because righteous when you do more and more righteous things. Then it would not be a gift. It would be earned. Your spirit is created in righteousness and holiness. Our becoming righteous in nature is still a future event. Not so, my friend. The death of your physical body has nothing to do with your spiritual state. When did Adam become a sinner? When his body died? No, his body died because he was a sinner. I think that you would agree that if you died at this moment, you would be present with the Lord, wouldn't you. Without His righteousness in you, Joe, you won't see Him. He does not give you the gift of righteousness when you die. He gives it to you when you are born again. Think about what you are saying for a moment. Synonyms for righteous include "holy" and "perfect." You can't be saying that those who have trusted Christ have now been made perfect in character? You're right, I am not saying that we always think or act righteously. But Heb 10:14 says that Christ's offering on the cross has perfected (past tense) for all time (not just when we die) those who are sanctified. It is not your physical death, brother, that makes you holy and righteous. That would be the teachings of the gnostics - that you can't be righteous UNTIL you have escaped the physical body. You are the one infering that we are not righteous until we die. I ask you again, what does the condition of your physical body, your tent, have to do with your spiritual state. None of the verses that speak of our righteousness mention that it is contigent upon our death or our deeds. What you are putting forward is the Roman Catholic view of "infused" righteousness, in which God MAKES us righteous No. What I am putting forward is exactly what Eph 4:24 says - the new self (your spirit, your identity) HAS BEEN created (something new) in God's likeness - righteous and holy. Paul calls this a new creation - 2 Cor 5:17. God classifies mankind according to this new creation - Gal 6:15. Jesus said that the Spirit gives birth to a new spirit in us - John 3:6. Joe, if you wait until you die to be born again of the Spirit of God, you've waited to long. If you wait until you die to become righteous, you won't make it. You don't go to heaven to get righteous, bro, you go to heaven because you ALREADY are righteous. 1 Cor 6:17 says that the Lord joins His Holy Spirit to our spirit. There is no way that God is going to join Himself to an unrighteous, unholy thing. End of Part 1 - see Part 2 |
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25 | Imputed Righteousness | Rom 4:6 | ChristLifer2001 | 52842 | ||
To Joe - Part 2 The fact is, as Luther adequately pointed out, is that we AREN'T righteous in practice. I agree. We are not always righteous in practice. But it is not practice (label this works) that makes us righteous in the first place. It is received as a gift - here and now. Justification doesn't make us righteous in ourselves any more than the atonement made Jesus a sinner. Then, by this same logic, Adam's sin did not make you a sinner either did it? Romans 5:19 refutes this. Adam's sin caused all to be made sinners. As soon as you are born "in Adam", you are a sinner. You exhibit the nature of whoever you are born to. We, as believers, are no longer in Adam, we have been born again of and to God. So we take on the nature of Christ - see 2 Pet 1:4. Jesus earned our righteousness for us, but making us more righteous is a process called sanctification, and that starts at our conversion and continues until we join the Lord. Are you listening to yourself here? You say that Jesus earned our righteousness but then we also have to earn is for ourselves here on earth. If it comes from you, Joe, that it is as filthy rags in His sight. It must come from God. This is the truth that fan the flames of the reformation - that righteousness comes FROM God TO man, not vice versa. It is His righteousness that we now possess in our new spirit, not our own. We are indeed re-created, but you fail to show from Scripture how our new natures are as righteous and as holy as Christ. Yes I did - Eph 4:24. What part of you has been recreated, Joe? What part of you has been born-again? Nowhere does Scripture tell us that our new natures are perfect ones. Not true, Joe. 2 Pet 1:4, Eph 4:24. Jesus Christ is our righteousness and the continuous source of the fruit of righteousness, Amen! And our new self is created in His likeness and indwelt by Him! "By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother." --1 John 3:10 Amen! Jesus in us works through us to perform the righteous acts for which were we recreated! - Eph 2:10. Your new spirit DOES NOT make you want to sin so that you can blame it on the flesh. That is the view of a babe in Christ who does not know the Christ is in him. Christ is us changes our WANT TO. I no longer WANT TO do what I used to do. That doesn't mean that I am sinless in action or thought. But I am no longer a sinner. I am a saint because God has made me so. Romans 5:17 - For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. This verse says it all. We have received the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness. Christ reigns in life through us! Thanks for your interaction. Keep growing in grace, ChristLifer2001 |
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26 | Imputed Righteousness | Rom 4:6 | ChristLifer2001 | 52887 | ||
Joe, Just two comments and then I will let this issue go. Concerning Romans 5:19: I think you are misreading this verse, brother. When you are born "in Adam", you don't become more and more a sinner. You are born a sinner and that is what you will remain (in spite of all your righteous deeds) unless you are born again. Likewise, when you are born again, you are "in Christ" and you receive the gift of righteousness. You don't become more and more righteous, bro. Jesus said to be as perfect (not DO as perfect, but BE) as your Father in Heaven. The only way we are going to get there is if He gives us that perfection. Romans 5:19 is not progressive sanctification, bro. It is simply stating what happens to mankind when they are born again. Allow me to paraphrase so you can understand: Because of Adam's sin, everyone born in him is born a sinner. But because of Christ's obedience and righteousness, everyone who is taken out of Adam and placed into Christ is made righteous. This has been happening for 2000 years now. This verse is NOT talking about performance, bro. It is talking about identification. Are you "in Adam" and therefore a sinner, or are you "in Christ" and therefore have His rigtheousness as a gift (vs. 17). It's that simple. Phil 2:13 - Sure it is God at work in us living out what He has already done. Phil 3:12 - You SERIOUSLY need to look at the context of this verse, bro. Paul is NOT talking about righteousness here, he is talking about physical resurrection - see vs 11,12. According to 1 Thess 5:23, God sanctifies us 1) in spirit 2) in soul and 3) in body. Our spirit is ALREADY sanctified. Our soul is being sanctified and our body will one day be (not this one but) a sanctified one. The bottom line is that if you think you are going to make yourself more holy or sanctified in who ARE (not what you do), then you believe that you are greater than God or at least equal to Him. This lie goes all the way back to the garden of Eden. Heb 10:14 still stands, bro. Christ's work is what has perfected us for all time because we are now identified with Him. I am not here to argue the point. I am just here to point to the truth for all who will accept it. I can't convince anyone, that is His job. :) May you grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord. Your bro in Christ, ChristLifer2001 |
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27 | Imputed Righteousness | Rom 4:6 | ChristLifer2001 | 52908 | ||
Joe, !It is talking about our glorification, a separate work of God from our justification. We are already spiritually glorified. Rom 8:30 - and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also GLORIFIED - past tense. !While the righteousness given to us is not based on OUR works, it is inseparable connected to the works of Christ. Amen! !There is no such thing as INTRINSIC righteousness - our own righteousness - apart from obedience to God. Our righteousness comes as a gift from God to us. As long as it is not yours, it does you no good whatsoever. But, as a gift to you, not because of obedience, but because of faith, it is yours. If you think that you are righteous in God's sight depending on your obedience to the Law or "Christian" principles, then you still don't understand righteousness or even Luther's revelation. He recognized that we receive God's righteous SOLELY by faith, apart from our works, before or after salvation. !Why do you fail to address the tense issue I raised in the verse? Joe, I did address the tense, all who have been spiritually born again in Christ since Paul wrote these verses have been made righteous. Should the Lord tarry, all who place their faith and trust in Christ alone will be made righteous the moment they do so. !You are right; it is indeed that simple. And I have HIS righteousness as a gift while at the same time I have not been MADE righteous myself. Then you don't understand the gift. You are saying that you have received the gift of righteousness but that it had done you no good whatsoever because you are not righteous. If I gift you a gift of 100 dollars, then you have 100 dollars. You did not earn it. It originally belonged to me. But I gave it to you as a gift. It is now your money and you would be foolish to not accept it and appropriate it. This is what you are saying about Christ's righteousness that has been given to you. You claim to have already accepted it, but you claim that it is not yours or that you won't open it until you die. What a pity. !What I am denying is that Christ's righteousness makes US righteous. That's too bad, Joe. You obviously don't understand either justification or sanctification because you don't understand your union with Christ. !a foreign righteousness from God. Yes, it is a foreign righteousness. But it is given to us. It then becomes ours in Christ. You still don't understand righteousness, my friend. It is not the absence of sin, it is a positive charateristic of God. Christ did not become righteous because He didn't sin. He was - and is - God. God is righteous. If we are every going to be, we must accept it as a gift from Him to us. !What Paul is talking about here is our OBEDIENCE, our sanctification. Then, brother, you will never be sanctified because you have made works a part of the process. This, despite that fact that 1 Cor 1:2 says that the Corinthians HAVE BEEN sanctified - in spite of their sinful actions - and 1 Cor 6:11 says that we WERE sanctified and Heb 10:10,29 both say that our sanctification is past tense because of Christ's blood. Praying you'll rest in Christ's completed work on your behalf. Your bro, ChristLifer2001 |
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28 | Imputed Righteousness | Rom 4:6 | ChristLifer2001 | 52931 | ||
Joe, I've tried to offer my thoughts concerning the "apparent" discrepancies between past, present, and future sanctification by demonstrating that there is biblical justification for examining man's components - spirit, soul, and body. The same analogy would apply to the righteousness that we have as Christians. Our new spirit is righteous, our soul is being made righteous, and we will one day have a righteous body to indwell. However, you will not hear or consider any of this, despite the cited scriptures. You obviously feel that it is the teachings of "the greatest teachers of evangelical Christianity over the past 500 years" that is the standard and revealer of all truth although the Holy Spirit makes it explicit that that is what He does in us. The majority vote does not determine truth. Neither does the minority vote. Truth is determined by what God says. Period. Concerning Romans 8:30, you wrote: "Traditionally, the church has understood that the past tense of "glorify" is more or less a past tense demonstrating the certainty of a future event." This demonstrates the type of interpretation twisting that "tradition" does to nullify the Word of God. God's Word says in Romans 8:10 that we HAVE BEEN justified, that we HAVE BEEN glorified. Even when it is there before your eyes in black and white that this is glorification is past tense, you deny it. You cry "foul" and must resort to the teachings of the church or to commentaries because you obviously feel that God's Word cannot be understood apart from the illuminating work of the church. The difference between my approach and yours is that I am just naive enough to take God at His Word and say, "Lord, You say that I have been glorified, would You teach me what this means." Tradition says, "Impossible! Despite the text, this cannot be true. My experience is the standard of truth and I have not yet experienced this. Therefore, God cannot possibly mean what He says and I must seek the hidden meaning." And for some reason you feel that you must resort to undue sarcasm of me and my simple faith in taking God at His Word. That is your choice. But I will not engage you further in exchange. There are many people who come to this forum seeking the truth of God's Word not the "teachings of the church". Probably an overwhelming majority are here because the church offers no real answers and it is the church that causes the confusion in the first place. All it can offer is denominationalism and self-righteous attitudes that condemn anyone who does not agree with their traditions and teachings. It is quite obvious that you have set up yourself and your "traditions" as the standard of truth here on this forum and woe be to anyone who does not agree with you. They are categorized, labeled, and demeaned in front of the whole forum. All in the name of Christ. How sad. ChristLifer2001 |
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29 | Imputed Righteousness | Rom 4:6 | ChristLifer2001 | 52942 | ||
Joe, Concerning Rom 8:30 - and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also GLORIFIED - past tense." You wrote: "Traditionally, the church has understood that the past tense of "glorify" is more or less a past tense demonstrating the certainty of a future event." If the "church" takes this interpretation, then it must use the same hermeneutic to translate the past tense of our predestination, calling and justification. I.e. if the past tense reference to our glorification refers to the future then, by the same standard, the past tense reference to our justification and calling would refer to our future justification and calling also. This violates everything that scripture teaches about our predestination, calling and justification. Scripture supports that these are done - accomplished. But it accurately demonstrates the folly and human predilection of twisting the meaning of God's Word to attempt to make it fit one's private theology. "Traditionally, the church has understood that the past tense of "glorify" is more or less a past tense demonstrating the certainty of a future event." One does not even need to be a biblical scholar to see the oxymoronic interpretation that is being pushed here as truth. "And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition." ChristLifer2001 |
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30 | God forgive no matter what | 2 Cor 5:8 | ChristLifer2001 | 44401 | ||
New Creature, Your sins cannot separate you from God. Because He has forgiven them according to His blood shed under the New Covenant, as a barrier between you and God, He remembers them no more - Heb 10:17,18. While Isaiah 59:2 was true under the Old Covenant (that is why the sacrifices had to be made continually), it is not true under the New Covenant where God says He will never leave us nor forsake us. What will separate us from the love of Christ? The Holy Spirit indwells believers forever (even when they sin). This is because of the forgiveness which Christ's precious blood secured on our behalf. The same apostle who wrote 1 John 1:9 also wrote a few verses later in 1 John 2:12, "I am writing to you, little children, because your sins are forgiven (past tense - not get forgiven) you for His name's sake." Col 2:13 - "When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us ALL our transgressions." May I ask, how many times can you be forgiven ALL your transgressions? If you keep going back for more forgiveness, then you have only been forgiven SOME of your transgressions, not ALL. Consider again 1 John 1:7, "...and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from ALL sin." May I ask, how many times can you be cleansed of ALL sin? If you go back for more cleansing, then you have only been cleansed of SOME of you sin, not ALL. Heb 9:22 makes it clear that if you require more forgiveness than what Christ provided 2000 years ago at Calvary, He would have to come and shed more blood. He is not going to do that. He did it once and it was sufficient to take away the sins of the world. Also please consider in 1 John 1:3 that John states that "indeed (surely, without a doubt ) our fellowship IS with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ. John was not sinless and this point and if he truly held to the "bouncing" fellowship view, he would have said, "Sometimes I'm in fellowship with God, and sometimes I'm not - it depends on if I have unconfessed sin or not. To the contrary, John makes it clear that the condition for fellowship is accepting the gospel that he was proclaiming - 1 John 1:1-3. Praying that you will rest in the finished work of our Lord. ChristLifer2001 |
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31 | God forgive no matter what | 2 Cor 5:8 | ChristLifer2001 | 44494 | ||
New Creature, You've misunderstood what I was saying, my friend. Confession is an attitude that the Holy Spirit fosters in every believer. But confession is not asking for forgiveness. To confess means to "agree with". Even in our court systems, a criminal may confess to a crime and never seek forgiveness or have a contrite spirit about his actions. I was simply stating that it is not our confession of sin that avails us of forgiveness. It is solely in Christ's blood - Heb 9:22. While I respect Dr. Zodhiates work and have his commentaries myself along with the Greek-Hebrew study Bible, commentaries are exactly that - comments from men - and are not inspired the way the scriptures are. I do consult commentaries AFTER I have studied the scriptures, letting scripture interpret scripture, but they are not the standard of truth - God's Word is. Did you consider my questions to you? How many times can you be forgiven and cleansed of ALL sin. "All" in the Greek means "All" :). And, finally, of course OT saints continually asked for forgiveness of sins. The price had not yet been fully paid for our sins by our Savior at Calvary. The OT sacrificial system prevailed until Jerusalem was burned in AD 70. We are, in a sense, better than David and the other OT saints. Not because of anything in ourselves but because we enjoy total forgiveness. Remember how David begged the Lord not to take the Holy Spirit from him after he sinned with Bathsheba? He knew that was a distinct possibility. He knew that God's Spirit left Saul after Saul disobeyed the Lord. We, as NT believers, do not need to pray that prayer. I already cited why in my last post. One final question, New Creature: How many sins had you committed when Christ forgave them on the cross 2000 years ago? Be blessed and rest in the total forgiveness you have in Christ, brother. Please read Heb 10:17,18 when you have time. There is no more sacrifice (shedding of blood) to provide more forgiveness that what Christ's has done. It is truly finished - paid in full! ChristLifer2001 |
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32 | God forgive no matter what | 2 Cor 5:8 | ChristLifer2001 | 44503 | ||
New Creature, Okay, brother. Be blessed in Christ and may you grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord. ChristLifer2001 |
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33 | God forgive no matter what | 2 Cor 5:8 | ChristLifer2001 | 44564 | ||
Joe, thanks for the welcome! You wrote: I see by your posts that you believe in the finality of the cross and the reality of His resurrection. The fullness of God's grace! It's all Him and His work. Indeed I do, brother! It is Finished! Our sins are forgiven (all of them) and we now have new life in Jesus - Christ's very life in us! Our salvation is by grace through faith from first to last. I'm thankful for that because I don't always perform so well :). He gave His life for us, in order that He could give His life to us, so that He could live His life through us! Enjoy your blessings in Christ! ChristLifer2001 |
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34 | holy ghost | 2 Tim 1:14 | ChristLifer2001 | 44339 | ||
Elder, Searcher has given a couple of good references. Here are a couple more: 1 Cor 3:16 - Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 1 Cor 6:19 - Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? Technically, He dwells in the spirit part of you which has been created in righteousness and holiness at your new birth. Hope this helps. ChristLifer2001 |
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35 | What is God's covenant with believers | Hebrews | ChristLifer2001 | 45409 | ||
John, Thanks for your kind words. I must tell you right up front that I am ignorant of what both Reformed or New Covenant Theology are. This doesn't mean that I may not hold to some of the beliefs found in these views but I have not studied either one of these "theologies" per se. Therefore my understanding of the New Covenant is based mainly upon self-study and letting the scriptures interpret scripture. Therefore, John, it is VERY important that you look at the following verses. (I could be lying to you, check me against the scripture, okay?) I do not believe that the Old Covenant and the New Covenant are the same. The book of Hebrews draws many distinctions between them, it is a book of contrasting the covenants. They went into effect at different times, they have different mediators, different priesthoods, different high priests, different sacrifices, different ministries, and different benefits to those under the respective covenants. An indepth analysis would be better served by private email but I will share with you, in brief, why I don't think that they are the same. Different time periods - the Old Covenant went into effect when Moses spoke the commandments to the Israelites and shed blood - Heb 9:18-21. The New Covenant went into effect as Christ's death (His shedding of blood) - Heb 9:16,17. Different mediators - Moses was the mediator of the Old Covenant - Heb 9:19. Christ is the mediator of the New Covenant - Heb 9:15; Heb 8:6. Different Priesthoods - The priesthood actually changed, therefore the law changed too - Heb 7:11,12. Different High Priest - The Old Covenant had priest who were sinners, they had to offer up sacrifices first for themselves, then for the people. They were weak - Heb 7:27,28. But the High Priest under the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, is holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners, exalted, made perfect forever - Heb 7:26-28. Notice that Christ's appointment as High Priest came AFTER the Law - verse 28. Also, unlike the OC priests, He holds His priesthood appointment forever - Heb 7:23,24. Different sacrifices - The OC sacrifices could never take away sins, they could only atone (cover) them. They couldn't cleanse the conscience either - Heb 10:1-5. Christ's NC sacrifice, however, did take away sins and cleanse us. And unlike the OC sacrifices which were endless, his sacrifice is once-for-all. For all sins, for all men, for all time - Heb 9:23-28. Christ's sacrifice of Himself in final - Heb 10:11-14. And under the NC, there is no sacrifice for sins left to be done - Heb 10:17,18. Different benefits - The OC offered forgiveness but it did not permanently cleanse the worshippers. The NC does. The OC did not give the worshippers a new heart or new spirit, the NC does. The NC did not allow men to come into the Holy of Holies. Under the NC, we are the Holy of Holies. Under the OC, God dwelt among His people (the Jews). Under the NC, God dwells in His people. The OC was faulty, not because it was bad, but because the people couldn't keep it - Heb 8:7,8. The NC is unilateral and enacted on better promises - Heb 8:6. The OC could make no one perfect in God's sight. The NC does - Heb 7:19. Besides all these reasons, Heb 8:13 says that the NC makes the OC obsolete. Although the NC went into effect at Christ's death, the OC was still observed by Jews until Jerusalum was burned in AD 70. The NC effectively took away the OC (not modified or integrated it) - Heb 10:9; Heb 7:18,19; Heb 8:13. With all of these differences and contrast, I see no way on God's green earth that these covenants are the same, do you? For them to be the same covenant under different administrations hardly seems to fit the picture drawn for us by the writer of Hebrews, does it? That would be like saying that an Volkswagen Bettle and a Jaguar are the same car, they are just sold by different companies. What do you think? ChristLifer2001 |
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36 | Can the blood of bulls take away sin? | Heb 10:4 | ChristLifer2001 | 53299 | ||
Great answer, Robert. The scripture that solidifies this Heb 9:15 - "For this reason He (Christ) is the mediator of a new covenant (in His blood), so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant (the Law), those who have been called may recieve the promise of the eternal inheritance." As you have stated, while the OT sacrifices covered sins, only Christ could take them away. God forgave the OT saints, not because of the blood of bulls and goats, but because of their faith in Him and the promise that one day God's Spotless Lamb would come. His blood takes away all sins of all men for all time. Keep growing in His grace, ChristLifer2001 |
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37 | How were ppl saved before Jesus came? | Heb 11:6 | ChristLifer2001 | 49226 | ||
Chris, You're right, bro. Animal sacrifices could never take away sins and they could never impute righteousness. Christ's once-for-all sacrifice took away all sins, even those committed under the first covenant - Heb 9:15. Where folks get confused is in thinking that salvation is the forgiveness of sins. Salvation has always been by faith, in the OT and in the NT. It is not Christ's death that saves us, it is His life in us that does so - Rom 5:10. Christ's death provided the forgiveness for ALL sins that we need before we can be made righteous by His life in us. This is why the resurrection is so important to Christians. Salvation is not being forgiven, salvation is being "born again" of the Spirit of God - John 3:3-6. Salvation is the impartation of eternal life, not forgiveness of sins. A forgiven dead man is still just as dead. What we who were born dead and trespasses and sins need is life! His life! ChristLifer2001 |
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38 | How were ppl saved before Jesus came? | Heb 11:6 | ChristLifer2001 | 49230 | ||
Joe, You're right, forgiveness is part of salvation (a necessary part). But as you said, not the sum total. Christ's cross provided the forgiveness of sins and His tomb provided the resurrection necessary for new life in Him. We need both for salvation. Thanks for the comment. ChristLifer2001 |
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