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161 | "promise or Promise?" | Matt 28:19 | khuck | 102772 | ||
I believe that Jesus is instructing His disciples on one pending event in all three verses: The Promise of the Holy Spirit... The Day of Pentecost In Acts 1:4 it could very well read "the Promise" in the place of "the Holy Spirit" and still have the same meaning (in my understanding.) Or you could replace "the Promise of My Father" with "the Holy Spirit of My Father" and not lose the meaning and context of the other two verses(IMHO). Acts 1 4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for "the Promise of the Father", "which," He said, "you have heard from Me; 8 But you shall receive power when "the Holy Spirit" has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth." Luke 24 49 Behold, I send the "Promise of My Father" upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high." What the Father promised was to reconcile man unto Himself through the Sacrifice of Jesus. This could only take place through His Holy Spirit. note: God deals with us through the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:16). We deal with God through Jesus (John 14:13 and Hebrews 4:16). When we exist on the fleshly level, we are ruled by our bodies, and our souls and spirits are in second and third place. When we are born again, our spirits are moved to the dominant position and the Holy Spirit takes control. He helps us to conform to the image of Christ. In order for our salvation to be fulfilled we must have regeneration via The Holy Spirit, It is through Him working in us we have the Power to stand in Christ. My thoughts on the subject is that after the Cross and Resurrection, Pentecost was the most pivotal event to transpire in regards to reconciling man to God. Just a few of my views on the matter -khuck |
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162 | Question about God n pressurs/growing up | Eph 6:4 | khuck | 102760 | ||
By the way Christianwoman25, I am also new to this forum, so please forgive me for not welcoming you properly. You said that you're still in puberty, that being the case The Youth links that I added should be of great interest to you. I will repost them. I'd be interested in knowing what you think of them. They address the issues that today's you must face and resolve. http://www.briomag.com/ http://www.family.org/teenguys/breakmag/ http://www.family.org/lote/lotelive/ Hoping all of God's Best for you, -khuck |
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163 | PROVE ME: God's challenge to tithers | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 102757 | ||
EdB, (Good try) The reverse of what I wrote would be, "If we cheat and rob our brothers, how can we say we love God." You have taken all that I said out of context and removed the very point of the subject: Are Christians commanded to tithe or is tithing a Rabbinical Law? I used the scripture that you quoted in it's context to show that Jesus was in fact speaking to the teachers of the Law and the pharisees, regarding their unjust, stingy and dishonest conduct concerning that same law. The principle I stated was putting God first in all things. Therefore before, I write that check, I acknowledge it as a gift from Him to me and I seek His for guidance as to giving it. I never mentioned whether I was afraid to trust God with my funds or not. LOL. That's between Him and me as to how I have used what He has blessed me with and it is not a matter of Law. Paul in 2 Corinthians 9:7, "So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver." -khuck |
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164 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | khuck | 102755 | ||
Now on to Judas. You wrote: The perfect example of how this doctrine is false is Judas Iscariot. He believed in Jesus Christ, walked with Him, was one of the Twelve and was given the same powers from Him as the others. Yet what Christian believes that Judas Iscariot went to Heaven? You place a lot of importance on Judas' having been in His presence and receiving powers along with the other eleven disciples (you place same area of importance on satan, now that I think on it) Mark 6:7 Jesus sent them out and gave them authority over unclean spirits. He did not give them and "powers". As a matter of fact they drove out demons and healed the sick. The power of the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost and Judas had been long since dead. The evil of his nature gradually unfolded itself till "Satan entered into him" (John 13:27), and he betrayed our Lord (18:3). Afterwards he owned his sin with "an exceeding bitter cry," and cast the money he had received as the wages of his iniquity down on the floor of the sanctuary, and "departed and went and hanged himself" (Matt. 27:5). He perished in his guilt, and "went unto his own place" (Acts 1:25).Further note how Acts says Judas fell by SIN (he was not FORCED by Satan, who had entered into him; he was personally ACCOUNTABLE for his actions): Act 1:25 "That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place." When a Christian receives Christ as their personal Lord and Savior, the Holy Spirit enters that Christian's body, soul and spirit. God has claimed that person for His own and as a result, demons cannot occupy the same place as the Holy Spirit. Satan knows this and that is why he tries so hard to get to people first and have his demons or demonic influence control or affect that person. Judas saw the miracles (Luke 6); he attended prayer meetings of Jesus with his other disciples (John 18:2). He had a "ministry" (Acts 1:17) and place of responsibility among the believers (John 13:29). He was trusted by the other believers - enough to carry the bag of money (John 13:29). Apparently Judas thought - or at least attempted to appear - that he was a believer ("manifest thyself unto us"), as opposed to being one of those in the world: John 14:22 "Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?" Judas' downfall was money - the "thirty pieces of silver" - ironically, the very ministry with which he was entrusted. Regarding the state of Judas' soul: During the time he seemed to be following Jesus, except that when the woman anointed Jesus with expensive perfume (John 12), Judas was outraged, saying the money should have been given to the poor. It says, "He did not say this because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put in it." (vs.6) Judas was with the flock, but not of it. -khuck |
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165 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | khuck | 102744 | ||
My 2nd response: Judas and satan are the best examples that you could find to prove my beliefs to be demonic? (that in and of itself makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up) But ok I will use what you have offered. You said and I quote, "Another good example is Lucifer (Satan) - abided in Heaven, knew God Himself, lived with God Himself yet he was not "saved" when given the opportunity..." If I am to accept this statement, then the operative word in your quote would be "OPPORTUNITY" which God gave satan. Opportunities are often passed over and not accepted. In satan's case that then would be true. satan did not want to be WITH God.... he wanted to BE God. Scripure identifies him as God's enemy and the adversary who is constantly accusing God's people, often unjustly. The word Satan Means: adversary; accuser - When used as a proper name, the Hebrew word translated as "Satan" has the article "the adversary" (Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7) Devil -Greek: diabolos; Meaning: a slanderer The devil is the arch-enemy of man's spiritual interest (Job 1:6; Rev. 2:10; Zech. 3:1). He is "Beelzebub, the prince of the devils" (12:24). He is "the constant enemy of God, of Christ, of the divine kingdom, of the followers of Christ, and of all truth; full of falsehood and all malice, and exciting and seducing to evil in every possible way." You wrote: ...for he now resides in Hell as punishment for the sin of pride. Satan does not reside in hell for having been too proud (that is not sound doctrine) The truth is that satan is the prince of this world. Peter warns: Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 1 Peter 5:8 His power is very great in the world. He is a "roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour" (1 Pet. 5:8). Men are said to be "taken captive by him" (2 Tim. 2:26). Christians are warned against his "devices" (2 Cor. 2:11), and called on to "resist" him (James 4:7). Christ redeems his people from "him that had the power of death, that is, the devil" (Heb. 2:14). Satan has the "power of death," not as lord, but simply as executioner. I'd pretty much say from this information that satan willing blew the opportunity that you stated was afforded him. -khuck |
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166 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | khuck | 102729 | ||
My first response: Junmeskie you say, "Salvation is not a "one time" event, but an ongoing process until "the end" (Matthew 10:22; 24:13; Mark 13:13)." Which would then make the cross worthless and Jesus' death a fruitless effort. He did not yell out from the cross, "It is almost over!" Christ said, "It is finished"(article) What is "It is finished"? (article) Literally translated the word tetelestai means, "It is finished." It is the perfect passive tense of the Greek vert, telos, which means the "end." The word occurs in John 19:28 and John 19:30 and these are the only two places in the New Testament where it occurs. In 19:28 it is translated, "After this, when Jesus knew that all things were now completed, in order that the scripture might be fulfilled, he said, 'I thirst.'" Two verse later, he utters the word himself: "Then when he received the sour wine, Jesus said, 'It is finished', and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." The word tetelestai was also written on business documents or receipts in New Testiment times to show indicating that a bill had been paid in full. So the word, tetelestai, as Jesus used the term meant, "the debt for sin has been fully paid!" This is exactly what the Lord cried out as He hung on the cross. The implications of this truth are truly profound. Paul says in...Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Sin incurs a huge debt – the debt of guilt, shame, judgment, but most of all, wrath. The wrath of God remains upon every sinner because that is what he has earned through his evil, un-repentant life. And the penalty is eternal because the sinner has offended an eternal being. So the payment of that sin must also be eternal. This clearly points out that only God can forgive sins. It was at the highest cost in the universe—God-Man, Jesus Christ. We saw that only God can forgive sins, but it is also true that only men can die. So, the Lord Jesus Christ, the infinite God-man, paid the price in full, so everyone who comes to Him by faith does not have to incur the judgment of God nor face God’s wrath. This is the ultimate sense of what it means to be saved. Salvation has to do ultimately with being rescued from the righteous wrath of God. So, Christ did for God to satisfy His righteous demand for judgment against sin. His precious sacrifice is credited to all those who believe in Him. They are justified before a Holy God, so that none of their "debts" appear on their "eternal credit statement." "IT" is the rightful penalty for our sins. The moment Christ said, "It is finished" we were reconciled to have a relationship with God. It signifies the completion of what Jesus Christ came to do on earth for us and for God. Remember, the Gospel is "the power of God unto salvation of everyone who believes!" (Roman 1:16) I am glad that I am saved eternally, no process needed here, I have a zero balance due. -khuck |
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167 | PROVE ME: God's challenge to tithers | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 102649 | ||
Ed, Jesus was speaking directly to the Pharisees (TEACHERS OF THE LAW) and admonishing them for their hypocrisy, because they were not honest in their dealings, and they imposed these Laws unjustly on the people (Jews). He was speaking concerning the Law and the fact that the Pharisees obsereved only the parts of the Laws that benefitted themselves. You noted Matthew 23 with in it's context Jesus is definately speaking to points of Law and not Grace or the Church. 13 "How terrible it will be for you teachers of RELIGIOUS LAW and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you won't let others enter the Kingdom of Heaven, and you won't go in yourselves. 14 Some manuscripts add How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! You shamelessly cheat widows out of their property, and then, to cover up the kind of people you really are, you make long prayers in public. Because of this, your punishment will be the greater. 15 Yes, how terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn him into twice the son of hell as you yourselves are. 23 "How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest part of your income, tithe the mint, the dill, and the cumin. but you ignore the important things of the law – justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave undone the more important things. ("But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone," Luke 11:42. They pinched off leaves from a mint plant to tithe, but then cheated and robbed their fellow men, Jesus says of these hypocrites. So the real principle behind tithing is putting God first in all things, not only in our possessions, but our conduct, especially in regard to how we treat others. If we say we love God and then cheat and rob our brothers, we're the same as the Pharisees -- hypocrites.) 24 Blind guides! You strain your water so you won't accidentally swallow a gnat; then you swallow a camel! 25 "How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! You are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthy – full of greed and self-indulgence! 26 Blind Pharisees! First wash the inside of the cup, and then the outside will become clean, too. 27 "How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs – beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people's bones and all sorts of impurity. 28 You try to look like upright people outwardly, but inside your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. 29 "How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed and decorate the graves of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. 30 Then you say, 'We never would have joined them in killing the prophets.' 31 "In saying that, you are accusing yourselves of being the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead. Finish what they started. 33 Snakes! Sons of vipers! How will you escape the judgment of hell? It really pays to put scripture in it's entire CONTEXT. Therefore Ed, I changed my mind, it is not the principle ... IT'S THE LAW. (Thank God that grace abounds) -khuck |
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168 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | khuck | 102619 | ||
I found this E-mail AND write a letter to Pope John Paul II Contact info: E-MAIL ADDRESS: pcjustpax@justpeace.va ADDRESS: (To send letter, use two stamps, omit Italy from address) His Holiness John Paul II Apostolic Palace 00120 Vatican City State Europe |
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169 | PROVE ME: God's challenge to tithers | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 102612 | ||
Not to be nitpicking (giggle) I found a bit more clarity on the subject. (An excerpt from John Myers on tithing.) Deuteronomy 14:22-29, especially verses 24-26, These verses explain the Old Testament principles of tithing, which lay the foundation for church offerings in the New Testament, which is, of course, our time as modern-day Christians. As Christians today we are living under New Testament grace, not under the Old Testament law. For instance, Old Testament law commands disobedient sons be taken outside the gates of the city and stoned to death by the people. That's probably a bit harsher than most Christians want to deal with their disobedient children, not to mention it would be highly illegal. But the principle behind that Old Testament law remains for these New Testament times: children should still be made to obey their parents. Allowing disobedience with no consequences is a sure way to raise up a child who will be big trouble to society as a whole, as well as being a heartache all the days of the lives of the parents. Tithing in the Old Testament was very simple. Give to the Lord one tenth of every thing you possess, from your crops, from your flocks, literally everything. Jesus notes in the New Testament that the religious Pharisees even tithed of tiny plants like mint and herbs. So the real principle behind tithing is putting God first in all things, not only in our possessions, but our conduct, especially in regard to how we treat others. If we say we love God and then cheat and rob our brothers, we're the same as the Pharisees -- hypocrites. While we may not observe the letter of the law of the Old Testament, the principles laid down there still apply in these New Testament times, like tithing and worship. The New Testament rules for tithing are also clear, as directed by the Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 9:7, "So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver." Nowhere in the New Testament are believers told to tithe. What you give to the Lord and His work is entirely between you and Him, and what He directs you to do in your heart. In my experience, I have always felt comfortable giving more than a tenth of my income. Basically Ed I think it's the principle of the thing. -khuck |
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170 | PROVE ME: God's challenge to tithers | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 102483 | ||
Greetings Arapga I agree with the above answers, that they are scriptually sound. But, I will say this... The principle of tithing still holds true. If you give it the blessing will be received. Yet I concede it is not required. I have made a habit of giving 10 percent of my increase and more, and I promise you, I can not keep up on the return. I give my tithe to the Church, to do my part in keeping the place functioning. Never the less the promise God gave has proven true in my experience. (...and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.) Tried it and loved it! -khuck |
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171 | Just a thought. What's yours? | 1 Cor 11:18 | khuck | 102481 | ||
Greetings George, You ask our thoughts on what is the Church? It is; People in a community environment. It is; People worshiping. It is; People loving one another, sharing Christ. It is; People evangelizing. I believe that all of the above would be correct if the "people" described in each context are a group of believers working together as one unit in Christ, in the hope of His promise, having faith in the Word, and having love one for another. 1 Cor 12 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines. 12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 24....But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. 1 Cor 13 1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails.... 13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. These are my thoughts and beliefs. (Including Scripture to support them) -khuck |
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172 | Pologomy Allowed? | Ex 21:10 | khuck | 102473 | ||
I believe the original writer asked, when did Polygamy end? I will pose the question when did polygamy BEGIN? It was not part of God's original plan... He created one man and one woman, "and the two became one." Therefore at the creation God joined one husband to one wife. Polygamy began with Lemech. Genesis 4 17 Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech. 19 Lamech married two women, one named Adah and the other Zillah. Hence the Scripture does enlighten us as to God's original plan of matrimony, and how man chose his own way. Polygamy is man's creation. -khuck |
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173 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | khuck | 102469 | ||
Greetings Radioman2, These are the only verses I found in the Scriptures relating to the Book of Life. Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. I hope that I was of any help. -khuck |
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174 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | khuck | 102460 | ||
Greetings George: As stated previously there is no reproach intented in any comments made by me on this forum. I just find the word of God to be engaging I love lending my opinions to the dialogue. As for the comment "more salvation"... I used it in the context as I did to show the futility of such a notion. IMHO is an Acronym for "In my humble opinion". I apologize for the obscure abbreviation. My belief that once saved, one is saved eternally is confirmed in my heart when I read Romans (in response to your comment regarding Scriptural proof... which is lengthy) rom 5 9 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him! 10 For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11 Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. 20 The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Rom 7 14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. 21 So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God's law; 23 but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin. Rom 8 1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, 4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. 5 Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; 7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. 8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. 9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you. Therefore again IMHO Romans chapters 5 - 8 (among with scriptures) sums it up and shows that those who truly belong to Christ are saved indeed... Because GRACE ABOUNDS! Hallelujah! -khuck |
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175 | Are you onced saved always saved? | John | khuck | 102368 | ||
Hi George, I hope you will not find my response to be reproachful, it sincerely is not my intention. I do believe what the Lord Jesus said, and I am confident that NOTHING can separate me from His love and that He is able to deliver me faultless before the Lord, by the shedding of His blood. Nothing can take me from the Fathers hands. John 10 v.25 Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, v.26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. v.27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. v.28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. v.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. v.30I and the Father are one." I believe that I had no power to save myself... Christ is my savior. Therefore what power do I have to overturn so great a salvation? 1 Cor 1 v.8 He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. v.9 God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful. George, In the most simplistic terms, I do believe wholeheartedly, that He that saved me, is more than capable to keep me. We must always pray and be vigilent of course, but not praying for more salvation, or vigilent that we not lose our salvation. Eph v.18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints. Remember even our Lord (WHO GIVES ETERNAL LIFE) was watchful and viligent and He is the example of what we (the Believer) aspire to attain in this life, we who believe in the gift of grace and forgiveness wrought by His freely shedding His Own blood for the remission of our sins, continue to move towards the gift of eternal life that is certain. Phil 3 V.12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. v.13 Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, v.14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. IMHO once saved always saved -khuck |
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176 | Did Adam die lost? | Genesis | khuck | 102339 | ||
Thank you for the welcome Hank :) The Word is clear that sin was not taken into account before the Law. Certainly Adam is not lost. Romans 5 v.12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned-- v.13 for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. v.14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come. v.15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! Remember my reference to the river Jordan that was overflowing, as Joshua and the Hebrews were to cross over. When the priest who were carrying the Ark (Which represents Christ) put their feet into the water... the river backed up to "Adam" the town. I like that verse. That river signified death... The Ark on the other hand signified life and salvation... even into the Adam. This is firmly my belief. -khuck |
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177 | Did Adam die lost? | Genesis | khuck | 102326 | ||
Ok... I am going to add on here. Jesus died for the sins of the world. Even back to the beginning... The sin that Adam committed against God was rebellion or disobedience if you will. Surely he was saved. Ask yourself this "Are you saved? Have you ever been rebellious or disobedient to the will of God? God actually told Adam this is what would become of him for his misdeed Genesis 3 7 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." Never once did God say that Adam was condemned to hell. He lost the right to be in the garden, and he lost the ability to eat from the tree of life, but God never deemed him lost. Study carefully Joshua chapter 3... the 16th verse is very interesting once you have referenced this chapter and understand the meaning of crossing the Jordan. Just my thoughts of the subject _Khuck |
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