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141 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 209706 | ||
Tim, just a question: In your view, was Finney so far "out there" that he is to be judged as a heretic, a false teacher, and, as such, someone who is to be deemed not a believer in Jesus, not truly saved (which seems to be not only Doc's explicit opinion but the general consensus on this board)? | ||||||
142 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 209757 | ||
Please note, I am not the one was not the one who either started or fostered the debate; I was only sharing my views. Those who responded asserted challenged my position by advising me that I was in error. Again, I merely presented my views and made no judgments on another's. It would heve been more appropriate, if there is to be any objectivity nd fairness, that the warning should have includeded all the posters who responded with said judgmental comments (especially with respecftul menation of Doc). However, whether or not I agee, I respect whatever action you deem appropriate. |
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143 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 209758 | ||
See ID #209715. For me to answer your request would foster debate. I am attempting to share my views and that not by attempting to prove others wrong. | ||||||
144 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 209759 | ||
John, I read the "Terms" and have found no place where I have violated them. However, if you read them and review some posts you may find such violations in areas like posting comments that contains known denominational biases, pushing certain religious or denominational bias, or fostering debates by challenging one to prove their position or attempting to prove their view as erroneous or heretical. Furthermore, I woulod think that to imply that one who professes Christ is not saved if he holds to certain views, is not consistent with Christian character as required under Terms. I think re-read the posts will demonstrate my point. In any case, as stated before, any action you take will be respected. |
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145 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 209763 | ||
Your Note See ID#209575, which implies such strong opinion against Finney as to question the validity as a Christian. I am not putting anything into anyone's mouth. I am just asking the question to ascertain if the Tim's opinion is as strongly opposed to Finney as reflected in ID#209575 in order to have a clear understanding of his opinion to give a proper response. With all due respect, you may be reading to much in my postings. |
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146 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 209764 | ||
Note Finney's remarks below: "The vicarious suffering or atonement of Christ is a condition of justification, or of the pardon and acceptance of penitent sinners." "I regard the atonement of Christ as the necessary condition of safely manifesting the benevolence of God in the justification and salvation of sinners." "That Christ's sufferings, and especially His death, were vicarious, has been abundantly shown in treating the subject of atonement." It seems to me the Finney was not objecting to the death of Christ as the means of justification for sinners per se, but how the death of Christ is to be understood in relation to justifying sinners. |
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147 | What was the purpose of the law? | Gal 3:23 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187319 | ||
Hopalong, My reading of the Bible conveys to me the perspective that Paul did not come to salvation convicted of sin but what "knocked him off his high hoss and left him dead and lying in the dust" was the conviction that Jesus is Messiah. |
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148 | What was the purpose of the law? | Gal 3:23 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187366 | ||
My apologies, but how does your reponse relate to my comment? | ||||||
149 | What was the purpose of the law? | Gal 3:23 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187367 | ||
I am not saying that the apostle was not repentant but his repentance of transgression was based upon the conviction that Jesus is Messiah, at least, that is my understanding as I read the relevant verses in the NT. However, although I agree that Paul was repentant, I don't understand what you mean by, "Paul had been granted the gift of repentance". |
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150 | What was the purpose of the law? | Gal 3:23 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187368 | ||
First, let me reiterate, I am not saying Paul was not repentant. I am saying that his repentance for sin was based upon the conviction that Jesus as Messiah; that is, Paul realized he was a sinner when he realized Jesus is the Messiah. There is no Rom 7:42. I do not see how 1 Tim 1:15 contends against my understanding of Paul's conversion experience. |
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151 | What was the purpose of the law? | Gal 3:23 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187370 | ||
I neglected to answer your question in my initial response. It seems there are no verses that directly support my view but I do see a few immediate verses like Acts 9:5, 20, 22, 27, and connected with verses like Phil 3:6b. Again, I am agree that Paul was repentant and recognized himself as a sinner. All I am saying is that this repentance and recognition was not necessarily through the Law (as normaly should have been given the purpose of the Law) but through his encounter with Jesus revealed as Messiah. |
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152 | What was the purpose of the law? | Gal 3:23 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187389 | ||
See my note ID# 187370. | ||||||
153 | God grant repentance? | Gal 3:23 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187390 | ||
Regarding 2 Tim 2:25, what do you mean when you say, "Apart from God's "granting" no one has any desire to repent." Three observations: 1. To, as you seem to suggest, grant one the "desire" to repent does not necessarily follow that he/she will repent. 2. It doesn't say God grants them the "desire" to repent but that "God may grant them repentance". 3. TEV translates it: "God may give them the opportunity to repent". This is my understanding of the verse. |
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154 | God grant repentance? | Gal 3:23 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187428 | ||
1. You say, "Unrepentance is not a habit or an attitude...therefore, God must change that nature." Are you suggesting that repentance is an impossibility unless God does something physical to man's natural or spiritual substance? Or, that repentance is some form of physical/spiritual substance that God places into a man in order to "change that nature"? 2. 1 Cor 1:27-28 merely describes the character or condition of those when chosen and who made the choice; it does not say how that choice was made. 3. Are you suggesting that the TEV is not a reliable translation. In the TEV preface of the NT: "The primary concern of the translators has been to provide a faithful translation of the Greek text." It would seem their aim is the same as the NASB or ESV translators. I also prefer the NASB in my studies but refer to that version where I feel the translation gives the better meaning that is intended. Therefore, what God is giving is not "repentance" itself but the opportunity to repent. 4. To answer your question: God is grants men the opportunity to change, that is to repent. Whether they repent or not is up to them. I can only suggest that your question presupposes an erroneous concept of what is repentance. |
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155 | God grant repentance? | Gal 3:23 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187438 | ||
Regarding your note on "repentance": 1. Act 5:31. "grant repentance", again, speaks of God giving sinners the opportunity to repent. 2. Rom 2:4. "kindness of God leads to repentance," which again considers God giving sinners the opportunity to repent by not exacting punishment swiftly: "kindness...forbearance...patience". 3. 2 Tim 2:25. See (1) above and my previouse note. Again, what is granted here is not "repentance" itself but the opportunity to repent. As the NAS translates it, I had never understood it as God giving "repentance" itself as if it were a thing of some substance; but it was always understood as giving opportunity. To me that's the natural and obvious understanding of the text. It is like when someone says, "I grant you freedom," it is not giving "freedom" as if it were a thing of substance, but as allowing the person to go on his own. The problem is not so much translation but interpretion. Repentance is involved in the process of conversion but it is something God commands men to do; it is not some thing that he puts in them to do. It is an change of attitude and lifestyle in response to God's kindness that the sinner must make. Please do not take offense but, if I understand your response correctly, as far as I can tell from my reading of the Bible, the interpretation you suggest goes far beyond the meaning of the verses cited; at least that seems to be where the problem lies: in interpretation, not translation. |
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156 | God grant repentance? | Gal 3:23 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187439 | ||
Doc, I Cor 2:14 in no way says or can be correctly interpreted as saying that "God does something physical to man's natural or spiritual substance." As I read it, all it says is that the man, as a sinner, does not value God's word and, therefore, rejects it because he has no spiritual apprehension of it's significance; that is basically it. Is 64:6a states that the transgressor's righteousness, in comparison to God's standard of righteousness, are unacceptable. Nothing here about change of nature as you suggest. The same goes for Titus 1:16; 2:14; 2 Corinthians 7:10, and Acts 11:18. Your interpretation to me has no bearing on the verses you cited. If Packer is suggesting what you have stated, I respectfully submit that my reading of the Bible shows he also is misinterpreting the verses. |
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157 | God grant repentance? | Gal 3:23 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187440 | ||
Tim, How do you see I have incorectly defined repentance (although, I cannot see where I gave one)? |
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158 | God grant repentance? | Gal 3:23 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187441 | ||
Tim, How do you see I have incorectly defined repentance (although, I cannot see where I gave one)? |
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159 | God grant repentance? | Gal 3:23 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187454 | ||
Tim, Oops, sorry... |
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160 | God grant repentance? | Gal 3:23 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187456 | ||
1. I fail to see where the context of the verse undermines how I have understood it. It rather further supports and clarifies my position. Nowhere is a change in the substance/nature of the physical/spiritual person shown to be involved. 2. There are unbelievers who have understood what the Bible says but refuse to attach any significance or value to it in their lives. They refused, not because they did not understand but because they did not believe it had any relevance in their lives. 3. There is no arguing we pray for God to change a person's heart, but the kind of change you suggest is not, as far as I can see it, in the Bible or even in the verses you cited thus far. |
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