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141 | anything about manipulation? | Eph 4:25 | Makarios | 163424 | ||
Thank you Mark! I've been enjoying your posts as well! -Makarios | ||||||
142 | Did Satan fall on the 2nd day? | Genesis | Makarios | 162176 | ||
Greetings xxbutterfliesrainbowsunicornsxx, The Bible does not say why God did not see that "it was good" after the second day. Let me ask you this: If God saw that everything was good on the 3rd and 4th days, then would not that make everything that He did on the 2nd day also good? Blessings to you, Makarios |
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143 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 162079 | ||
Greetings WOS, Yes, we can leave this debate, and I apologize if I have been sharp, or rude, or difficult. I am good with presenting facts and reasoning, but I am not always so good at arguing a specific point of view for a long length of time, even though I am trying to do well. :) Thank you for your patience with me! Blessings to you, Makarios |
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144 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 162076 | ||
Greetings Doc, I agree, my friend! Ethics has always been interesting and has been a bit challenging at times when you try to see things from the other person's perspective. May the Lord continue to guide you into everything pertaining to godliness! Blessings to you, Makarios |
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145 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 162072 | ||
Greetings Tim, Your post is seriously getting off the topic.. I am not "losing my cool" in this thread - I am simply stating what is painfully obvious.. Has anyone ever considered that perhaps it was in the plan for Moses to be "hid" from Pharaoh, much like Jesus was hid from Herod, so that God could accomplish His purpose? What I see here is a blatant refusal to acknowledge the fact that: Lying and deception did happen, but something good came as a result of it. If this truly is your last post on the subject, and if this post does not serve to convince you of my point of view, then perhaps we will just have to disagree. Your brother in Christ, Makarios |
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146 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 162070 | ||
Greetings WOS, I am not trying to twist your words. I am simply attempting to re-explain myself over again. I simply do not see what you are getting at by mentioning Jacob and Rebekah. Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps God knew beforehand that Jacob would deceive Isaac and Esau long before he was ever born, and chose to bless him anyway? If that is so, if God did, in fact, know that Jacob would deceive Isaac, but chose to bless him anyway, even choosing to rename him "Israel", then why did God do that instead of punishing him for his lie? --Makarios |
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147 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 162066 | ||
Greetings Doc, I agree with you when you say that a Christian, walking circumspectly, and in the Spirit, does not have to get into those kind of situations. Even so, sometimes these special circumstances are thrust upon us, and we have to make a decision. But most generally, we are usually not thrust into this type of choice to make. I am in complete agreement with you there. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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148 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 162062 | ||
Greetings Tim, When you said that "Of course, we all know that the midwives did lie to Pharoah," then you agree that the midwives did indeed lie to Pharaoh. However, we all know that lying is considered a sin due to the great weight of Scripture that you have already presented. But neither Pharaoh nor God punished the midwives because they lied, but God blessed them and gave them families because they protected the Hebrew children even though they were lying to and deceiving Pharaoh. Therefore, even though it is almost always wrong and punishable to tell a lie, there are certain circumstances where lying is permissable to save the lives of others. And in this case and only in this case - when the circumstances demand - lying is not a punishable sin. I do not know how to make this any more clearer to you. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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149 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 162050 | ||
Greetings WOS, Satan is the father of lies. Let me ask you: Would Satan choose to kill Moses when he was a child and Jesus when He was a child, or would Satan even stoop so low that he would choose to lie even to save them? --Makarios |
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150 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 162049 | ||
Greetings WOS, You stated: "Now, I’m not saying that there aren’t times when to lie seems appropriate." Now, we are getting somewhere. I appreciate the fact that at least you acknowledge that there are times when lying would be appropriate rather than to allow a greater sin to happen. And that is my entire point. I am not saying that there is no punishment for lying because lying is not a sin. What I am saying that there are greater consequences that can be averted if a person chooses to lie in a circumstance rather than jeopardize the lives of other people. You say, "Did Jacob ever see his mother again, whom he loved so dearly?" Where does the Bible even mention that Rebekah died as a consequence of Jacob's deception? Jacob eventually met his brother, and Esau did not kill him at that time. Laban was dishonest, yes, but God did not strike him down. You state, "His family was torn by dissension" and "His brother became the founder of an enemy nation" and "He was exiled from his family for years".. These situations were not a result of Jacob's deception in Genesis 27. And you state, "And imagine, according to Genesis 25:23, he would have received the birthright anyway. His deceitfulness wasn’t even necessary. Ponder this, how different could this world possibly be had Jacob and his mother waited for God to work things His way instead of taking matters into their own hands?" Perhaps so, but that is only speculation since we know what the Bible says how the events happened. WOS, I appreciate your arguments, but I cannot be convinced on this subject. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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151 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 162045 | ||
Greetings Mark, Please see Exodus 1:22-2:10.. Ex 1:22 - Pharaoh commanded his people to kill every male Hebrew child Ex 2:5 - Pharaoh's daughter was bathing at the Nile and saw a basket Ex 2:6 - Pharaoh's daughter recognized the child as a Hebrew boy Ex 2:6,9 - Pharoah's daughter took pity on the child and even paid for his nursing Ex 2:10 - The child grew up and became the son of Pharaoh's daughter Mark, please tell me how there is not lying and deception in these verses on the part of Pharaoh's daughter in regards to her father's wishes?? --Makarios |
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152 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 162042 | ||
Greetings Mark, I will quote the entire Exodus passage for you and Tim.. (Exodus 1:15-22) "Then the king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, one of whom was named Shiphrah and the other Puah, when you serve as midwife to the Hebrew women and see them on the birthstool, if it is a son, you shall kill him, but if it is a daughter, she shall live." But the midwives feared God and did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but let the male children live. So the king of Egypt called the midwives and said to them, "Why have you done this, and let the male children live?" The midwives said to Pharaoh, "Because the Hebrew women are not like the Egyptian women, for they are vigorous and give birth before the midwife comes to them." So God dealt well with the midwives. And the people multiplied and grew very strong. And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families. Then Pharaoh commanded all his people, "Every son that is born to the Hebrews you shall cast into the Nile, but you shall let every daughter live." FACT: The midwives lied and deceived Pharaoh. FACT: Neither Pharaoh nor God punished the midwives. FACT: God blessed the midwives with families. Therefore, in certain circumstances it is not wrong to lie. Again, I find myself repeating myself over and over again on a topic with you and Tim. But I will not relent this time no matter how tired and disappointed I am of your stubbornness to see through to logic and Biblical truth. --Makarios |
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153 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 162041 | ||
Greetings Tim, Perhaps you would want to quote Exodus 1 and 2, since it is in the Bible and talks about lying as well??? ;) Dodge it all you want, but I won't let you get around it. Your Brother in Christ, Makarios |
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154 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 161975 | ||
Greetings WOS, Was the fact that Moses lived to help deliver Israel from the Egyptians an example of misery, loss and judgment? Was Jacob not blessed by the Lord in Genesis 27? And can you find any mention in all of Genesis of Jacob being 'punished' for his lie? I agree with you that God blessed the midwives in spite of their lie, and not because of it. But can you argue that every single action of Pharaoh was the decree of God as well? Can you argue that everything that King Nebuchadnezzar did was the decree of God? What Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego did was outright defiance against the king, not lying, but they were also blessed. In spite of the decrees of these kings, sometimes it is necessary to tell a lie or be defiant to follow the higher law of God. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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155 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 161974 | ||
Greetings Kalos, I absolutely agree with you on that, my friend. The Bible is black and white with this example in Exodus 1-2.. There is no grey with this example: Moses was saved because of a lie, and God rewarded both him and the Hebrew midwives who saved other children. And if I were serving with you in the armed forces and put in a situation that compromised our position, I most certainly would lie to protect your life and to protect our country rather than tell the truth and see our entire platoon murdered or our county defeated because of it. This line of reasoning that says that you cannot lie regardless of the circumstances is just plain wrong. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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156 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 161973 | ||
Greetings Mark, Yes, I agree with you that the Law had not been given yet, because the man who God worked through to give the Israelites the Law, that being Moses, was saved by Pharaoh's daughter from almost certain death at the hands of Pharaoh, through deception because Pharaoh's daughter hid Moses from Pharaoh. Now was it a sin that Pharaoh's daughter committed by hiding Moses from Pharaoh?? If so, and if she did tell her father the truth, then how would the Israelites have been delivered from bondage and then received the Law?? And if the deception of Pharaoh's daughter was such a sin, then why did God use Moses in such the way that He did, even speaking to Moses face to face as a friend? So, as you can see, the deception (or lie) of Pharaoh's daughter to Pharaoh was not a sin, and she was not punished for it for saving Moses's life. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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157 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 161972 | ||
Greetings Mark, You are reading way too much into the text.. There is simply no mention of any punishment being given to the midwives in Exodus 1:15-22, not by Pharaoh or by God. In fact the verse says, "GOD DEALT WELL WITH THE MIDWIVES" [ESV].. So how is "dealing well" with someone imply any kind of punishment or judgment??? One thing that Tim likes to say is that he does not argue about things where Scripture is silent, and I find you doing just that in this verse if you continue to imply that there was some forthcoming punishment because the Hebrew midwives lied to Pharaoh. Therefore, the Bible says that it was Ok in this verse about lying under the circumstances. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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158 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 161939 | ||
Greetings Mark, This is where you and Tim are wrong: you are saying that lying is a sin in all circumstances. What I am simply pointing out to you is that Scripture shows us and even provides an example of where lying is not necessarily the wrong thing to do. And God did not show in Exodus 1:20 His anger, but he gave the midwives families. So, you cannot say that lying is promoted in the Bible, because it is certainly not something for a Christian to make a practice of, as Tim so well pointed out. But where you and Tim are wrong is when the circumstances have a part to play, and Scripture plainly proves that. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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159 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 161934 | ||
Greetings Kalos, Your observations here are excellent also, and I believe that you have written the best post yet on this subject in this thread. I most certainly agree: Christians are by no means obligated to tell everyone everything that we know when we know that the given truth will lead to a greater evil. I believe that the example as given in Scripture in Exodus 1:15-22 speaks volumes on this subject, and anyone who takes Exodus 20:16 in a straightforward, literal fashion most certainly has a problem with this bit of Scripture. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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160 | gift of healing same as prayer of faith | 1 Cor 12:9 | Makarios | 159812 | ||
Greetings Bows44! I apologize, I did not mean to state that you did not have the gift of healings yourself. But I surely know that I personally have not been blessed with this gift. When I place my hand on a person who is sick, the illness is more likely to attach itself to me rather than going out of the person.. :-) I do not tell you this out of any "unbelief", I simply know that this particular gift was not in God's original design to bless me with. However, I do see a rather large disparity between that which is given to us in Scripture and that which we have today. While I do not deny that others 'could' have this gift, I simply do not see any true evidence of this gift in the church. I know that you have come into this discussion rather late, and I appreciate your contributions. But I believe that there is very little more that could be added, and it does not seem very promising that more useful information will be dealt with. For that reason, I am attempting to close this discussion. But I still remain unconvinced that my position is correct, and I am comfortable with that, even though I may not have enunciated my position in the best possible way. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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