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121 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 186138 | ||
Hi Edwin, This is a very interesting passage you've brought up. There is a bit of disagreement between translations on this one. The word "elect" is actually grammatically joined with "sojourners" in the previous verse which is where it also appears in actual word order: 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the choice sojourners of the dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, (YLT) The grammatical construction is: Peter apostle (Nominative subject of the sentence) of Jesus Christ (Genitive Noun - describes Peter's apostleship) to the chosen (adjective - describes Diaspora) expatriates (adjective - describes diaspora) of the Diaspora (genitive noun - describes Peter's apostleship) The place names are the same as Diaspora. This could be paraphrased as: Peter, the one sent by Jesus Christ to the chosen expatriates of the Dispersion, of Pontus, of Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, Bithynia, according to God's foreknowledge. . . There isn't a way grammatically to determine if this is saying Peter was sent according to foreknowledge, or if the expatriates were chosen according to foreknowledge. I don't think this is actually an outright statement that we are elect according to foreknowledge, although it certainly could be. Love in Christ, Mark |
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122 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 186095 | ||
Hi Edwin, I appreciate your notes, and I don't mean to sound contrary . . . Doesn't Romans 8:29 actually say that pre-destination, not election, is according to foreknowledge? And not predestination to salvation, but rather predestination to being conformed to the image of Jesus? Love in Christ, Mark |
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123 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 186094 | ||
Hi Edwin, Wouldn't that be contrary to verse 11? I agree with you that God didn't foreordain one to be good and the other evil. I've come to think of this passage, concerning God's love for Jacob and hate for Esau as showing God's favor for Jacob, and disfavor for Esau, as it seems to be explaining the outworking of verse 13 in verse 12, the older serves the younger, to that its not so much a "feeling of extreme dislike, or revulsion", but that God has give disfavor to Esau. ? Love in Christ, Mark |
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124 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 186093 | ||
Hi Edwin, Thank you for sharing a greater explanation of your view. I think, then, we are using words a little differently. When I say "regeneration", I am using it in the manner of the New Testament passages it is used in, such as: Titus 3:4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared, Tit 3:5 not by works in righteousness which we had done, but according to His mercy, He saved us through the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, Here, regeneration comes from "palingenesia", which is literally, "again-born". There is another word also sometimes translated as "regeneration", or "begotten again", which is "anagenesia", literally "upward-born", which also speaks of this re-birth. Love in Christ, Mark |
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125 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185950 | ||
Hi Edwin, Another thing about that particular passage is that there is some information it does not actually contain, the most prominent to me being the criteria upon which some vessels were prepared for wrath, and some for glory. God has patience with ones, towards the salvation of the others, but what is this verse really saying, and not saying, about "election towards salvation"? Love in Christ, Mark |
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126 | Redefining Terms | 1 Cor 14:38 | mark d seyler | 185943 | ||
Hi John, That is so very true! We see that fruit today in so much of what is taught in the church, as the Bible is reinterpreted according to the gnostic heresies, and as it is allegorized, spiritualized, and the people grow mesmerized. I have a great admiration for those who do not find it necessary to explain to us how the simple words of Scripture do not really mean what they say! Love in Christ, Mark |
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127 | DID PETER RESURRECT ANYONE? | Acts 9:40 | mark d seyler | 185903 | ||
Hi Hobbs, Remember, by clicking on "notes" under "show me", you will see all posted notes, including those that have been suppressed from appearing on the home page. Suppressed threads can still be viewed, and added to, they simply do not appear on the home page. But you may need to send an email to make sure the person you wish to read your post is aware that it is there. I encourage all users to begin clicking on everything on this site, as there are a great many resources available that may be rather underused. Love in Christ, Mark |
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128 | DID PETER RESURRECT ANYONE? | Acts 9:40 | mark d seyler | 185900 | ||
HI Hobbs, I've sent you my email. It took me a few minutes to figure out why you were replying via This thread. . . Well! Love in Christ, Mark |
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129 | Teaching Bible Prophecy | Acts 1:7 | mark d seyler | 185886 | ||
You really speak to where I am at in my Bible study right now. I am just completing a year-long in-depth study of Matthew, and will be starting an in-depth study of Revelation in a couple of weeks. This is what is currently impressing me the most is just what you said, Jesus on a donkey in Matthew, and on a white horse in Revelation. The risen Jesus of Matthew 28, the glorified Jesus of Revelation 1. The Saviour in Matthew, the Judge in Revelation. And of course, soooo much more!!! Comparing and contrasting Matthew and Revelation is amazing! It's totally exciting! It should be taught! People think of Revelation as a mysterious book of future prophecy that no one can really understand anyway, but the simple fact is, while it does contain some of that, what this book called Revelation is, is a "revelation of JESUS CHRIST, which God gave Him to show His slaves. . ." We can add so much to our understanding of Jesus by looking at these books. This is one of the many reasons I love my church so much, is that we simply go through the Bible, book by book, chapter by chapter, verse by verse, teaching all that is in there. Not following some "theological system" as some have said, simply teaching the Word of God, in its entirety. Its all given for our edification, to build us up in the most holy faith. We need to know all of it. So I'm with you, brother! Love in Christ, Mark |
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130 | does God chose who he will save | Eph 1:1 | mark d seyler | 185884 | ||
Hi Hobbs, Perhaps I may be able to answer this question. I see this, I think, in the same way as New Creature. I think he explained if as well as I've heard. In this case of the Phillipian jailer, when he asked, "what must I do to be saved?", he is asking what conditions must be met in order to receive that which he desires, salvation. Paul answers, "believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved." As a conditional clause, salvation is predicated on believing. Without belief, there is no salvation. Belief, then, must precede salvation. Here, "believe" is in the active voice, something done by the jailer. So as NC said, God does not "believe" for him, he must believe for himself. So salvation is predicated on an action performed by the jailer. It could have been written differently, showing belief simply coming to him, that the jailer "received belief", but that's not what Paul said. So in answer to the jailer's request to know what has to happen for him to be saved, Paul answered that he has to believe on the Lord Jesus, and that if he, the jailer, does that, then he will be saved. I am certain that the jailer experienced the drawing of the Father, as I believe all men do. I hope this helps, and I trust NC will correct me if I did not answer well. Love in Christ, Mark |
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131 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185844 | ||
Don't worry, Doc, I do believe that I understand what you are saying, and I also believe that you understand what I am saying. At this point I shall likewise bow out. Love in Christ, Mark |
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132 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185842 | ||
Hi Apollos, It is indeed old! :-) We shall let the matter rest, simply allow me to add that I appreciate the spirit in which you write. I would hazard to say that your view would only allow that Cornelius was regenerated long before Peter came, long before the angel visited, as his reputation of good works had spread throughout the nation. Logically, this would mean then that the angel's visit, followed by Peter's preaching, was a result of Cornelius' regeneration, and the good works it had wrought in his life. Love in Christ, Mark |
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133 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185840 | ||
Hi Apollos, That's a good point about Judas. It would seem from Scripture that he, as the others, performed miracles, while clearly he was not saved. But this whole idea that regeneration precedes faith and repentance, in my view, flatly disagrees with what is plainly stated in Scripture. Act 3:19 Therefore repent and convert so that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. Repentance precedes forgiveness. Rom 10:9 Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation. Belief precedes righteousness, and confession precedes salvation. Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, and your household. Here belief precedes salvation. Regeneration, the giving of spiritual life to us, is the deliverance from our body of death. Now the body can die, but we don't die, we have spiritual life. Regeneration is our deliverance from the curse of the Law. The soul that sins shall die, but we are alive. Our new creation isn't identified with the old man, this is our justification. We are reborn in Christ, this is our righteousness. Love in Christ, Mark |
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134 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185839 | ||
Hi Doc, My point here is that salvation is inseparable from regeneration. Your post seems to acknowledge that, so in this, at least, we seem to agree. As far as the order of salvation, a simple reading of Bible passages tells me what that is. There are many, and they all agree. Rom 10:9 Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation. Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, and your household. Given the clarity of Scripture, I hardly see need to add to it. Whether or not this seems logical, I will accept what the Bible says. Love in Christ, Mark |
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135 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185836 | ||
Hi Apollos, Lest I be misunderstood, I don't think the Bible is illogical, and I don't think we should throw logic by the wayside. But I have heard many theological arguments on this that do not do justice to the Word. You mention the doctrine of the Trinity, and I think that is a useful example. While the Bible never uses the word itself, it is a simple matter to show this doctrine from Scripture alone without commentary: Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.” Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. There are many more sets such as this that I could include, but let this suffice, since we both already know this. The Bible declares there is One God, and the Bible declares that the Son is God, the Father is God, and the Spirit is God. We do not need complex argurments, the Scripture shows this. David prayed, "Create in me a clean heart, O God." When and how did God grant this? Not according to guesses, but what does the Bible actually teach? I realize that it "makes sense" to many that Abraham, for instance, was "born again". But I have not yet found where the Bible teaches that. You mention a "changed heart". There are places in the Old Testament that speak of God changing a man's heart. One is Pharoah. Another is King Saul. There was Bezaleel, the only one in the entire OT that was said to be "filled with the Spirit". Pharoah's heart was hardened by God for the judging of Egypt. Of course, Pharoah hardened his own heart as well, which if memory serves came first. Bezaleel was filled with the Spirit for the express purpose of constructing the tabernacle and it's furnishings. His filling was specifically said to be to construct, and teach the construction of this articles. Pharoah's heart could be hardened. Couldn't a heart be softened? Love in Christ, Mark |
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136 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185832 | ||
Hi Edwin, I agree entirely with these points you are making. Love in Christ, Mark |
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137 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185831 | ||
Hi Edwin, As I use the terms "regeneration" and "re-birth", I am speaking of exactly the same thing by both. This is that moment in time that my sin is put away from me, and God restores that which was lost, spiritual life. I am now in fellowship with my Heavenly Father. I am now innocent. I have been delivered from my body of sin. I have been delivered from the curse of the Law. It is this deliverance that we speak of when we say "salvation." While I may not yet see the final deliverance from this body of sin, and from the curse, this deliverance has been effected. I am saved. Regeneration, Biblically, is that specific act which God does in us that spiritually reverses the curse of sin, the fall of man. To any who believe Once Saved Always Saved, as I do, this act is never un-done. The moment of regeneration is the moment of salvation. So then if regeneration happens before we understand the gospel, then of necessity, we are saved apart from an understanding of the gospel. I do not believe that is true. That is not what the Bible teaches in my estimation. If regeneration happens before repentance, then we are saved before repentance, and God saves unrepentant sinners. I do not believe that is true, or what the Bible teaches, again, in my estimation. It seems that you may agree with much or all of this, I'm not certain. I want to be clear in what I believe. You wrote something rather intriguing: "firstly the Lord plants His seed (not the Holy Spirit)" Are you then saying that regeneration comes but without baptism in the Holy Spirit? Love in Christ, Mark |
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138 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185828 | ||
Hi Apollos, My question for you is that which I have often asked, yet none seems able to answer. Where do we seen regeneration happen in the Bible in the Old Testament? - By what the Bible says, not by "logical argument"? Is there anywhere in the Old Testament, besides in the prophecies of Jeremiah and Ezekiel, who are foretelling what will happen in the future time, that speak of re-birth, which is regeneration? For example, many will say, "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness. That means he was born again." But is that what the Bible actually says? Jesus said, "Unless a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot the kingdom of heaven." Why do you suppose the OT believers were in "Abraham's Bosom", the comfort side of Sheol? You need not answer these questions to me, but if you wish to have a true and Biblical understanding of this topic, you need to understand the Biblical answers. There are many convoluted "logical arguments" and "theological systems" that will endeavor to impose human reasonings upon Scripture, but I challenge you to search out this question I have asked, and accept what you find in the Word. Love in Christ, Mark |
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139 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185773 | ||
Thank you, Hobbs, with these things I agree! Love in Christ, Mark |
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140 | eph 1:4-5 what is predestination, chosen | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 185770 | ||
So then you think he was regenerate, or "in Christ", before the angel came? Love in Christ, Mark |
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