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121 | Was a Prophet Raised up at this time? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80051 | ||
Only that I failed to capitalize the 'g' in God. I try to be particular about that. |
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122 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80152 | ||
Hi Ed, At this point I retract my statement that Satan had authoritity on the earth before Adam. And will do more research before returning to this thread to post my conclusion. However, on the statement that Adam surrendered authority to Satan has much scriptural basis, and that Jesus the Christ took back the keys to death, hell and the grave and gave authority to men is the Gospel. But I do not have time to address them at the moment. The scripture already posted will have to suffice for now. To narrow the field of discussion, what is your view? God bless |
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123 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80159 | ||
Thank you Ed. I will have to print these and review. Purhaps tonight or tomorrow I can get back to you.. What is your view of Samuel being called back by the medium? Your input may help our Bible study. God bless |
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124 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80222 | ||
Hi Ed. "Hint he was to watch over the garden." Genesis 1 26 Then God said, "Let (1) Us make (2) man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them (3) rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Ed, the scripture in Colossians 1:13 says He has rescued us from the domain of darkness and transfeed us into the Kingdom of His dear Son. Acts 26:18 "...I am sending you to open the eyes; so that they will turn from the power (jurisdiction, authority) of the Adversary to God.." Ephesians 1:21 "..far above principalities and powers..." We are looking at 'delegation' not usurping authority. God's supremacy is not, nor has ever been in question, but He by covenant has delegated His people to rise above the authority(dominion) of Satan. From verse 13 of Colossians it would seem that before Jesus, all mankind was held captive by Satan through our sin nature. In light of this when did man come under Satan's dominion and NEED a redeemer if not at the fall of Adam? Let me ask you...Where did the dead in faith go before Jesus was raised from the dead? No doubt they died 'in faith' awaiting the promise...Yeshua! Our sin nature made us subject to Satan. Jesus' redemptive work transfered us from Satan's kingdom to the Kingdom of God. Unfortunately, many of God's people's lives are stil captive to Satan through his lies(not captive from eternal life, but captive from deliverance and victory in this life)not realizing Jesus has already delivered them. AGAIN: God's supremacy is not, nor has ever been in question, but He by covenant has delegated His people to rise above the authority(dominion) of Satan. God has NEVER not been final authority, and by His final authority He provided His covenant. Neither Satan nor man can undo the covenant God made. Man can reject it...but man can not undo it. As I sated when I first came to the forum...God IN His sovereignty established covenants (with conditions to be met by both parties) with man from Adam to us(through Jesus) and He honors His covenant with His life to all that enter in through the blood by faith. God bless |
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125 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80228 | ||
Yes, I realized later that radioman had responded. Yesterday my attentions were divided and that is not a good time to get into a 'deep' discussion. Forgive me for the error. I do not agree with your conclusion because 1.God could have spoken to Saul through other prophets,(or a donkey) scripture says Saul sought this. 2. For God to choose to use a medium which He has forbidden places Him in the position of compromiseing His word and also would make the statement that He communicates through mediums encouraging people to seek them out. This would be a violation of God's own command NOT to seek mediums. The medium was not a prophet of God, but rather a servant of Satan at the time. Whether she turned or not later is not stated. This occcurance clearly conveys the message that Satan had authority to beckon souls from the dead because they were still under his jurisdiction due to the fall of Adam. Although they died in faith, until Jesus redeemed them, they were held captive. God bless |
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126 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80231 | ||
'Some believe the witch worked a miracle by demonic powers and actually brought Samuel back from the dead. In support of this view, there are certain passages that seem to indicate that demons have the power to perform lying signs and wonders (Matt. 7:22; 2 Cor. 11:14; 2 Thess. 2:9-10; Rev. 16:14). This view is unlikely, since Scripture also reveals that death is final (Hebrews 9:27), the dead cannot return (2 Samuel 12:23 and Luke 16:24-27), and demons cannot usurp or overpower God's authority over life and death (Job 1:10-12). 1.Demons cannot usurp God's authority, which is why one must ask by whose authority did this medium call up Samuel? 2. 2 Samuel 12 23 "But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? (1) I will go to him, but (2) he will not return to me." This is speaking of raising the dead not calling back the spirit of someone...however, since Jesus did raise the dead, we know that dead can indeed be raised. 26 'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.' What is this 'chism' or gulf dividing? Bothe the rich man and Lazurus are dead. When the rich man asks Lazurus about sending someone to his living relatives the response is that they will not hear even one from the dead. Neither of these verses substantiate the statement that the dead CAN'T be called back. I will have to post a Part 2 and Part 3 in discussing the other two interpretations. This is a good discussion now. Thank you radioman for bringing the discussion back to Biblical comparisons! There is hope for the forum! God bless |
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127 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80232 | ||
"As we all know, Satan is not the warden down in hell, running the place." Paraphrase 'Satan in not the warden living in hell, and running the earth.' Is this a correct rendering of your statement? If so my response is this.... How do you describe principalities, powers, and the rulers of darkness... Yes indeed Colossians states that all were created by God for His purpose...but that does not mean they do not have delegated authority. Odviously they do because it was necessary to 'deliver us from their dominion'. God bless |
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128 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80255 | ||
And if Satan had control why did he allow the spirit to give God's message not one of his own like "Saul your doing great! Your showing God who is in control." Good question....my response would be that Samuel would not lie. This was Samuel, not some denomic imitation. But you bring up an interesting point..If Satan had authority to bring up Samuel's soul but not to control his words... "Before Jesus when a person died his soul went to Hades either to the hot dry side or to Abraham's bosom just as God desired not Satan. After Jesus the unrighteous still do to the hot dry place while we go to be with the Lord again just as God desires." I agree, but if they were not under Satan's domain why did they not simply go to heaven? Why did they have to go to the holding place? Was it because they were still seperated from God by sin? "Your example of the donkey doesn't encourage us to go talk to donkey's so why say it would encourage us to use mediums." My point was more to the fact that God would not do something he forbade us to do. He had options that did not violate His Word. God would not use a medium because He would be contradicting His own command. He would have used some/any other source rather than violate His own Word. "God often uses things that aren't in agreement with Him to accomplish His will. God used a whore Rahab, He used liar and deceiver Jacob. God even used a dying theif hanging on a cross to show us His mercy." Your use of these as examples tells me that you do not understand. God did not 'prostitue' Himself with a prostitute, God did not 'lie' with Jacob, and God was not a sinner dying on the cross. All these people acted on truth...Rahab assisted God's men by faith and her life was spared, Jacob obeyed God's commands and led Israel to victory in the Promised Land, the sinner repented...and was forgiven. The spiritist was not acting in obedience to God but was committing a grave act against Him. " 'Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God. (Whole Chapter: Leviticus 19 In context: Leviticus 19:30-32) Leviticus 20:6 " 'I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people. (Whole Chapter: Leviticus 20 In context: Leviticus 20:5-7) Leviticus 20:27 " 'A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.' " (Whole Chapter: Leviticus 20 In context: Leviticus 20:26-28) Deuteronomy 18:11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. (Whole Chapter: Deuteronomy 18 In context: Deuteronomy 18:10-12) [Lev 18:21; 2 Kin 16:3; 17:17] He made his son pass through the fire, [Lev 19:26, 31; Deut 18:10-14] practiced witchcraft and used divination, and dealt with mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the LORD provoking Him to anger. (Whole Chapter: 2 Kings 21 In context: 2 Kings 21:5-7) 2 Kings 23:24 Moreover, Josiah removed [Lev 19:31; 2 Kin 21:6] the mediums and the spiritists and the [Gen 31:19 mg] teraphim and [2 Kin 21:11, 21] the idols and all the abominations that were seen in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, [Deut 18:10-22] that he might confirm the words of the law which were written [2 Kin 22:8] in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the LORD. (Whole Chapter: 2 Kings 23 In context: 2 Kings 23:23-25) 1 Chronicles 10:13 [1 Sam 13:13, 14; 15:23] So Saul died for his trespass which he committed against the LORD, because of the word of the LORD which he did not keep; and also [Lev 19:31; 20:6; 1 Sam 28:7] because he asked counsel of a medium, making inquiry of it, (Whole Chapter: 1 Chronicles 10 In context: 1 Chronicles 10:12-14) 2 Chronicles 33:6 [2 Chr 28:3] He made his sons pass through the fire in the valley of Ben-hinnom; and he practiced witchcraft, used divination, practiced sorcery and [Lev 19:31; 20:27] dealt with mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him to anger. (Whole Chapter: 2 Chronicles 33 In context: 2 Chronicles 33:5-7) And many more....God cannot give commandment then violate it Himself, because violating His commands is sin and He cannot sin. God bless |
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129 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80269 | ||
Hi Nicholson... In reading the post from #7801 All the explanations seem to lack scriptural soundness. 1. Denies that souls can be summoned. However, here scripture gives no statement or even leaves room for assumption that this is not real and that Samuel did not actually come forth. A lying wonder 2 The second view states that this was a denomic spirit impersonating Samuel. This too is an unscriptural assumption. (based on context) 3.God allowed Samuel to come forth through the medium... Let's clarify one thing here...a medium is someone who summons spirits to embody them...Saul did not see Samuel on the medium who had Samuel's conciousness... She screeched because she recognized Saul and thought he was going to kill her. Were there other instances where mediums satanic powers are verified? None of the 'possibilities' allow for Satan actually having authority due to the fall of Adam yet scripture here seems to leave no other possible conclusion. Do you have more scripture I can use to study this issue deeper? All input appreciated..I will leave for awhile but will be back soon. God bless |
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130 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80270 | ||
radioman No doubt all authority is from God...but denial of delegated authority does not disagree with this..Nor does it at any time not acknowledge God as final authority.... God's final authority is not in question as you and Ed seem to believe. |
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131 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80288 | ||
Part 2 "Why did God choose to do it this way I don’t know." God ceased speaking to Saul. Saul chose to seek out the medium...did God know what he would do? Surely...did God tell him to do it? No Did God bring Samuel back? Scripture says the medium called him back. Would God use a medium forbidden by Himself? No... "But I do know Satan can not bring people back from the dead. He might deceive someone into thinking he can by letting you see one of his demons or an apparition, but this passage says Samuel appeared not an apparition." As my husband and I discussed this evening when discussing this chapter in 1 Samuel...when scripture clashes with our beliefs we have two choices, submit our beliefs to the Holy Spirit for correction or disallow the scripture. Your belief that Satan had no authority clashes with the fact that in scripture a woman under demonic authority called back one from the dead and this one from the dead did indeed speak of the future. But a sinner when they are in their sin are under Satan's jurisdiction. When Jesus died and went to Abraham's bosom and preached, Samuel no doubt believed and the authority was broken, but until then he was held captive to death and hell. My conclusion: 1 Samuel clearly states that Saul went to the medium because God has ceased to speak to him. The medium was forbidden by God so God would not have spoken through or used the medium because His own Word forbade it.(For God to violate His own law would make Him a sinner) so the authority the medium used must have been from Satan. The medium called forth Samuel (not an aparition or a familiar spirit). Samuel spoke to Saul reaffirming that God had stripped him of his kingdom and that he and his sons would die the next day. Colossians 2:9-10 "For in Him (Messiah), bdily, lives the fullness of all that god is. And it is in union with Him that you have been made full-He is the head of every rule and authority." In union with Him...we are the body and He is the head, and Satan is under the feet! Out of union with Him? You decide... God bless |
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132 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80289 | ||
Ed Part 1 I have tried to manipulate this post into two because it exceeds the limit. Part 2 will apear before part 1 if this works. Forgive me for not being real accurate with this effort. "The reason the people that were righteous before Christ did not go directly to God is they still had unforgiven sin in the their lives." Correct...they still had unforgiven sin because the blood of animals could not redeem them. They died looking ofr the promise...But until the redeemer was provided they were bound by the grave. Hebrews 2 13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. "Mediums deal with familiar spirits, demons that know the past and present. They don’t know the future. Satan doesn’t know the future." I would have to say this is an assumption at this point, a common teaching but not necessarily based on scripture because the scripture in 1 Samuel says the medium called Samuel and Samuel knew the future because he states to Saul what he had stated to him in life.. " Why ask me, if ADONAI has left you and become your enemy? ADONAI has done for himself what he foretold through me- ADONAI has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to your fellow countryman David....Adonai is giving Israel as wel as yourself over to the power of the Philistines...and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The reason I see your statement as an assumption is these scriptures clealy say the medium called Samuel and Samuel told Saul.. so odviously this medium did not call a 'familiar' spirit. If we stay with these scriptures in context we have to acknowledge the odvious. In other scriptures concerning mediums, does God say the 'can't' or does he simply forbid asking them? "When Jesus cast out the demon from the demonic they asked to go into the pigs." No doubt Jesus has authority over Satan and He gave us His authority to use His name thus giving us authority. And a sinner when he invokes the name of Jesus in repentance then is born again thus by faith in the promise..defeating Satan. "If they had known the future they would have known the pigs would race of the cliff and die. Instead they thought they were buying time until they could find another body to inhabit." I agree, Satan is not omniscient. He does not know all things. If he had known he would not have crucified the King of Glory..But again, you are speaking to the conflicting belief that the medium called a familiar spirit and not Samuel himself who did know. "When God brought forth Samuel the medium was stunned she had never had a righteous person appear before more importantly she never had any spirit tell the future." This is not what scripture says. "When the woman saw Samuel she let out a shriek." Why? "Then the woman said to Saul,'Why have you deceived me? You yourself are Saul!' This woman was affraid for her life, as she had also stated when Saul first came to her in verse 9. |
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133 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80425 | ||
"Secondly you say he was talking to Samuel and Samuel did know. How did Samuel know he was dead? Are you suggesting that God informed Samuel of Saul’s death but never intended him to use that information." Now here you have a valid point. If Samuel had only stated that Saul hadlost the kingdom, he would have been repeating what he already knew before he died. but no doubt God told Samuel that Saul and his sons would die. I also have no doubt that God knew Saul would seek the medium...but I can't accept that God would violate His Word and empower the medium to call Samuel forth. And these scriptures do not state that God called Samuel. It says she called him forth. "You asked why the woman shrieked because she knew instantly that Samuel was from God therefore this had to be Saul who had God’s hand upon him." No, I beliee she feared for her life. It does not say she was afraid of Samuel...Or God.. You never addressed the fact that God did use an unrighteous prophet Balaam to prophesize blessing on Israel. Also please read 1 Kings 13 you will see that God used another false prophet to prophesize truth. It is a very interesting story, one which give you a lot more to think about." I did read both of these today. Never the less they were both prophets...failed and weak though they were...they were not demonic soulmates whom God commanded to be killed as noted in other spriptures and forbade any to seek out as I posted earlier. If God had performed any miracle by any other means other than one strictly frobidden by HIMSELF which would be a violation of HIS WORD I could accept your theory...But if God forbids us to commit sin and then commits sin Himself...He would not be God...That would be the same as commanding us not to commit murder but going out and committing murder Himself and saying it was OK because He is God. My next area of research will be to look at all the scriptures pertaining to mediums and see what else God had to say. God bless |
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134 | Why was Satan allowed amon the sons of G | Job | gracefull | 73406 | ||
Why would God need or choose to prove anything to Satan? Was it because Satan 'accused' Job? |
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135 | Why was Satan allowed amon the sons of G | Job | gracefull | 73410 | ||
Thanks for your response. Revelation 12:9-11 Is this the time when Jesus entered heaven? If so, the accuser has been cast out of heaven and can no longer go before the throne and accuse? |
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136 | Why did Job love God? | Job | gracefull | 73510 | ||
I have read but not participated in this discussion until now.... Your honest statement brought compassion. As thomas has addressed the method of salvation, the surrender of our heart as we realize we are sinners in need of a saviour. Was their a change? Not an external change of activities, but a change of heart? If yes.. When we come to the Lord we are children. Our relationship is that of a child coming to the parent for all our needs. Children do not KNOW the parents, but simply accept them as the provider. Then as they begin to grow up they begin to recognize the parent as both provider and disciplinarian. Then they eventually get through this stage to adulhood and begin to have a relationship based on respect and knowing. 1Peter 2:2 Our relationship with our Father is much like that. Initially we see Him as our 'provider' especially at times of trouble. But when we spend time with Him consistently in His word and prayer, we begin to KNOW Him. Many believers remain in childhood for various reasons.. But since you have made this statement, it would seem you have begun to mature. (Awareness of the lack of in depth relationship and awareness that such a relationship is possible is a GIANT step). Will you move forward in seeking Him or draw back? FEAR NOT! He loves you. Remember John 3:16 God bless |
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137 | Why did Job love God? | Job | gracefull | 73586 | ||
Than you for sharing this with me. I was reminded of Romans 8:25-28 as I read your heart... But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it. In the same way the Spirit helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. First, our feelings do not always represent what is going on in our heart. The times I feel far from God only serves to remind me circumstances and my flesh are still temporal factors in my carnal life, but the reborn spirit connected with the Holy Spirit of God is more real and eternal. I am a spirit, I have a soul and I live in a body. Do you pray in tongues? If so, when this grieving comes, pray in the Spirit, if you have not been already...Growth can seem bitter sweet but the joy of the eternal sweet far exceeds the the temporal pain. To allow God to create in us a soft heart makes us feel vulnerable, but in reality it frees us and allows God to become our protector. If you would like, I can give you my e-mail address. God bless You can e-mail me at franh@tvsa.com |
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138 | Is sickness from satan? | Job 2:7 | gracefull | 83554 | ||
I was once copying and pasting a large piece of information and had that problem. I had to reread the entire piece to find the symbols I had otherwise ignored. I SYMPATHIZE. Your post was from the heart, it is not lost...try again! God bless |
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139 | Is sickness from satan? | Job 2:7 | gracefull | 83557 | ||
is a parathensis forbidden? No, but the and symbol and some of the other common ones are. God bless |
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140 | psalm 91 | Psalm | gracefull | 72312 | ||
See also Psalm 15... Who shall dwell? And Hebrews 8.... |
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