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661 | Did Jesus go to hell? | 1 Peter | gracefull | 80775 | ||
I agree, Jesus did not teach on homosexuality, and sinc I do believe the entire Bible is inspired (Holy Spirit breathed) the observation that Jesus never ever forbade healing for ANY reason does not prove anything scripturally, I do believe it should at least be a point to ponder, an eyebrow raiser, when going into the study of healing. Jesus attitude concerning healing and all the situations He addressed when healing are equally important with all other scriptures. If you do not see healing as a major point of Jesus ministry...OK. I do see it as a major point..I will move on now... God Bless, |
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662 | Healing by Strips physical or not | 1 Pet 2:24 | gracefull | 82374 | ||
Hello Fritzeverett, Hello..i would like to comment on your statement if I may. "I know that Paul did not receive a healing because Gods grace was sufficient. Corinthians 12:9." Please read, if you have not already, my post #81017. 2 Corinthians is often used to confirm sickness as God's will and instrument of discipline. However, if you re read 2 Corinthians carefully researching the word "suffering' and giving no consideration to the traditional teaching, you may find this is not the case. I do suggest reading the entire book. when I did this study, I opened my Bible and asked the Holy Spirit to help me read it as if for the first time blocking any presuppositions and previous commentaries I had read. As I read I was careful not to interject any words or beliefs and to take the scriptures purely based on what they actually say. I suggest you try that as well. The reason you should reconsider this conclusion is because if you accept this common interpretation of 2 Corinthians (the entire book) your understanding of other scripture in regards to healing will be influenced by this. For instance, you say you are still considering the issue of healing being provided through the atonement. If Corinthians tells us Paul was suffering a physical sickness or desease given him by God, or Satan and allowed by God then the issue of healing and the atonement is already concluded, healing is conditional and not provided for everyone because we have a Biblical exception. Please consider two points. Does scripture tell us what the thorn was? Does scripture tell us why God did not remove it? I would be interested to hear your comments after you read the thread. God bless |
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663 | Healing by Strips physical or not | 1 Pet 2:24 | gracefull | 82536 | ||
Excelent post of the compassion of our Lord. As one who believes it is always God's will to heal, even though many do not receive, it saddens me a lot when brothers and sisters conclude erroniously that just because we believe this we are somehow condemning them. All of us have suffered lose of some kind in this war, and scripture clearly says we are in a battle, and the battle Satan wages is to discredit God's Word and take souls to hell. To suffer lose is not defeat, but rather a challenge to dig deeper into the truth of God's covenant. I never lose touch with the fact that I am human and although I have been born again, my mind is continually being renewed to the truth. My spirit is constantly being taught by the Holy Spirit, of if my mind is BEING renewed and my spirit is BEING taught..there are things of God I do not yet know. When I am knocked down, for me that means I need to dig into God's word more and pray more for a deeper understanding of His will,(Colossians chapter 1 and Ephesians chapter 1) not that I should condemn myself or deny truth, but rather that I accept His grace an move on. I always look at Jesus teaching in Matthew on the sower sowing the word....the thief comes to steal the word sown in my heart....How does he steal the word? By lying to me and telling me the Word does not work. the Word is not true, if it were, this would not happen or that would not happen. If God is love, why are children suffering? If God's will is to heal everyone, why is everyone not healed? If it is God's will that no one perish, why are people still lost? There are cults present today because of these very questions....None are lost, all are saved... None are really sick...the mind just 'thinks' we are sick and in reality, our mind is lying to us. If we can change our mind, we can see our circumstances as they realy are. The Word says we are transformed by the renewing of our mind...but the renewing is to God's Word which does not deny the existence of evil opposition. This is Satan's way of distorting the truth..he is real, God is real, a battle is raging in the spirit rhelm. But the truth is Jesus defeated the powers (dominions of darkness). Bbut he is still lose attempting to deceive the world into believing Jesus is not Lord. Faith does not deny the existence of negative circumstances, faith speaks the Word of God against these circumstances. Faith believes God's Word(Jesus is the Word made flesh) is supreme and circumstances must bow their knee. And when we are knocked down, and sometimes we will be(not because the Word is not true, but because we are not yet perfected, we still rely on our human vision more that God more often than not) we get up, brush off and continue forward. Let God's Word be true even though I myself, or any other human being, be found a liar! Why should this offend me? God is God! God bless |
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664 | Healing by Strips physical or not | 1 Pet 2:24 | gracefull | 82549 | ||
In response to... "Divine Healing: The Privilege of All Believers [Part 1] "As the privilege of believers, the promise of healing does not rule out suffering for Christ’s sake and the gospel’s. We are expected to be prepared to follow His example (Hebrews 5:8; 1 Peter 2:19,21; 4:12—14,19)." Hebrews 5:7-97 In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with 8 Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. 9 And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, These scriptures state that Jesus suffering unto obedience was demonstrated through "loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety." Was this in the Garden before the crucifiction? These scriptures do not speak of Jesus' suffering sickness or desease, but the unjust crucifiction of the righteous Son of God. The suffering was both the carnal will waring with the spirit and the, rejection of those He loved, and finally the physical suffering of the crucifiction. 1 Peter 2:19,21 SERVANTS, be SUBMISSIVE to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are unreasonable. 19 For this finds favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a person bears up under sorrows when SUFFERING UNJUSTLY. 20 For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God. 21 For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered(Again, how did Christ 'suffer' for us?) for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, 22 WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH; 23 and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed." These scriptures speak of external unjust treatment, again comparing to the suffering of Christ as spoken of in Hebrews..and even goes on to say in verse 24 that he bore our sins in His body and by His stripes we were healed. but Since this is quoted from Isaiah 53 and in Isaiah healing means to be made whole and theologians for the most part agree that in Isaiah it means spirit soul and body,Peter odviously chose his words carefully, we must agree that it is the same word thus the meaning is the same. 1 Peter 4:1, 12-19 1. Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: FOR HE THAT HATH SUFFERED IN THE FLESH HATH CESED FROM SIN; THAT HE NO LONGER SOULD LIVE THE REST OF HIS TIME IN THE FLESH TO THE LUSTS OF MEN BUT TO THE WILL OF GOD. 12 Beloved, do not be surprised at the FIERY ORDEAL among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you; 13 but to the degree that you share the SUFFERINGS OF CHRIST,(and what were the sufferings of Christ?) keep on rejoicing, so that also at the revelation of His glory you may rejoice with exultation. 14 If you are REVILED for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 15 Make sure that none of you SUFFERS as a MURDERER, or THIEF, or EVILDOER, or a TROUBLESOME MEDDLER; 16 but if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed, but is to glorify God in this name. 17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for THOSE WHO DO NOT OBEY THE GOSPEL OF GOD? 18 AND IF IT IS WITH DIFFICULTY THAT THE RIGHTEOUS IS SAVED, WHAT WILL BECOME OF THE GODLESS MAN AND THE SINNER? 19 Therefore, those also who suffer according to the will of God shall entrust their souls to a faithful Creator in DOING WHAT IS RIGHT. The suffering these scriptures 'in context' is again compared to Christ's suffering and is not in any way speaking of suffering from sickness and desease. All the above scripture compares the suffering we should expect with the sufferings Christ endured. We are to endure persecutions, vexatons of our soul when persecuted for righteousness. One can say "Yes but sickness is suffering so can't we include it?" Not here. These scriptures in context do not support that statement. Neither Peter nor Paul are speaking of or using any comparison of sickness and desease. God bless |
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665 | How about Deut33:7? | 1 Pet 2:24 | gracefull | 82550 | ||
"Now they had enough faith to be there and wait for the angel to stir the water but they didn't have enough faith to turn to Jesus right after he healed a man in their sight. Sure!" Why would it surprise you that their faith would be in something other than Jesus? "I also did not give an explanation as to why they all weren't healed I simply said all were present and the apparently all weren't healed. God had another plan. God doesn't always heal when we think he should was the point I was making." I apologize for my incorrect observation of your point. But I do believe when faith and the Word join, God's healing wil take place. I think you need to read Matthew 15:22-28 Jesus did refuse but the persistance of the woman made Him change his mind. Also David prayed for his son and God did not heal him. Jesus also did not heal Lazarus but allowed him to die to show God might. God does what glorifies Him the most and serves His purpose while working all things to our good. Interesting points...Jesus had not purchased healing through the atonement when David's child died. Also David's child was conceived in sin and could not be the heir of the promise. The woman of Canaan's child was 'grievously vexed with a demon'. And even if you wanted to view this as healing...Do you honestly believe Jesus 'refused' in the sense of the word you use here? Jesus knew she would persist and no doubt in His wisdom..provoked her to press Him. Jesus said to the disciples 'this sickness is not unto death...but that the Father might be glorified'. However, you have a point here. "The Bible says nothing about the servants faith in the story of the Centurian and Jesus healed the servant. The father of the demonic son said he lacked the faith but asked for it and Jesus healed the son and if the son was demonic he couldn't have had faith for healing so Jesus worked in face of a lack of faith." Read again.. faith received. the Centurion had faith for his servant. The demonic son's dad said "I beieve, help thou my unbelief". This speaks of limited faith. Apparently enough. Jesus said 'go' and he went. Still faith. God bless |
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666 | How about Deut33:7? | 1 Pet 2:24 | gracefull | 82562 | ||
"I think that was a distasteful remark." Distasteful? What politically correct or tasteful term would you use? She was married to another, not David. "Besides Perez was in your “words conceived in sin,”Tamar tricked her father in law Judah into getting her pregnant and he is part of the line of Jesus Matt 1:3." This is not the same. Tamar's husband was dead and so was Judah's wife. Although this was not what we in our society would consider acceptable, she was not out of order. She sought seed from her dead husband's bloodline. In the case of David, Bathsheba was married to another man, whom David murdered I might add. "Your right, but are you telling me of all the people at the pool Bethesda none had any relatives or friends or servants or master that believed in Jesus and they weren’t praying for them to be healed? I find that unlikely." Since faith is how we receive, I supose not. Why would you find this unlikely? Isn't there a scripture that tells us hell is enlarged daily? Untold billions have rejected Christ's salvation. I do not find it unlikely. But we have moved into speculation anyway. "If the just the faith of others can heal people as you claim in the case of the Centurion, why don’t you clean out the hospitals of this country? I mean put the doctors out of work. Surely you have as much faith as demonic son’s dad had." Ed, I won't tell you what in scripture this statement reminds me of...Although I understand your reasoning here, I will not compare my faith or anyone else's as a guage to judge the truth of the Word. I am leaving for the day. Have a blessed weekend, my brother. God bless |
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667 | What's the "seed" that keeps u from sin? | 1 John 3:9 | gracefull | 69714 | ||
The Word of God, the Spirit of God, and God are inseperable. God and His word are the same. The Holy Spirit came to reveal the word, the heart, God, to our newborn spirit and transform us into the likeness of Christ.(the likeness of God) John 1:1 In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God.... We are transormed by the renewing of our mind. The seed of the word, is the seed of the heart of God and produces the image of God in us when revealed by the Spirit and then mixed with faith. Hebrews 4:12 gospel unprofitable not mixed with faith Romans 12:2 Be ye transformed Romans 8:28 predestined to be transformed to the image of His son. John 16:12-14 God's word is truth, and the Holy Spirit has been sent to reveal that truth to each of us. Summary We are the spiritual seed of God (reborn by the Holy Spirit) but the seed of the word mixed with faith must transform us into His image. Our old nature wars with our new nature, but as our minds are renewed, and our will surrendered to be obedient to that truth, the old nature weakens and our spiritual new man becomes stronger, therein we become victorious over sin... Galatians 5:17-19 |
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668 | what's this saying? | 1 John 5:16 | gracefull | 93083 | ||
Hi Christian 24, Can we talk about this? Your statement is logical but let me ask you a couple of questions... You said... "The sin that leads to death is the sin of suicide (killing yourself). Once that sin is commited, you cannot repent, and the bible clearly says thou shalt not kill." Notice this statement, ", He will grant life to all those whose sin is not one leading to death" Notice it says LEADING TO death. Now wheterh you believe this term death is spiritual seperation from God or merely physical death, either way the person who commits suicide IS DEAD physically and if he did not Know Jesus, spiritually as well. He is not committing a sin that leads TO DEATH but has committed a sin that led to death. Assuming you interpret death here as being the spiritual death (eternal seperation from God)as well as physical death, are you saying a born again believer who dies and has an unrepented sin in their life, are they going to Heaven or Hell? This would have to be true of all sin if it is true of the sin of murder. The sin one can't pray for another and them be forgiven is the sin of rejecting Jesus Christ's redemptive work. This is the only sin that condemns mankind to hell. Matthew 12:30-32 As heartbreaking as suicide is, it is a sin among many sins. We Christians have a tendency to create these sin categories often without realizing it.... Category 1:Least sinful Category 2:More sinful Category 3:Most sinful Sin is equal with God. James 2:9-11 9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." If you became angry with a brother or sister, and emediately you were run over by a car with no time to repent...would you be eternally lost? What do you think? God bless |
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669 | How does eternal security build faith? | Rev 3:5 | gracefull | 78942 | ||
I see God's wisdom in this scripture Hebrew 2:14-16 Froasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is the devil; And deliver them that through FEAR(my caps) of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily He took not on Him the nature of angels; but He took on Him the seed of Abraham. God's children can't live as children whe the fear of death hovers over them. Whe we recognize that we are free we can move forward and not be afraid that we will be sent to hell if we miss some 'ordinance'. We are to move forward in faith in His love, mercy and grace, growing up in Christ. Fear of eternal punishment NEVER promotes a loving relationship. It compels us at the point of salvation to choose... then we are children commanded to grow up in Christ by faith. God bless |
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670 | How does eternal security build faith? | Rev 3:5 | gracefull | 78951 | ||
Good afternoon philemcc, I had to chuckle as I myself have done this after a lengthy response. The problem lies, I believe with pastors and teachers not teaching the power of the gospel to deliver and set us free, Because I believe both stances bring bondage. There are some on one extreme side that says...no matter how you live, you are heaven bound. Then there is the other side, make sure you constantly repent because you may have sinned and don't know it and if the Lord comes you will be lost. OHHHHHHH! Both grieve me in my spirit because both defeat the ultimate goal of Jesus-to redeem us from all past sins and set us FREE from the rule of sin in our lives, and cover us with grace while we grow toward that goal. One compels to continue carelessly through life and the other binds us not to move at all! Who the son sets free is truly free, dead to sin and free to walk in newness of life!Let's move on to learn how to live in that newness of life! From the heart! |
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671 | Whose will causes a believer to sin? | Rev 13:8 | gracefull | 88182 | ||
Hi Tim, When Joe asks where did the desire to sin come from since they, Adam and Eve, did not have a fallen nature. Would this be comparable to the fall of Satan? Did not Satan have a free will and he chose to allow pride to cause him to rebel? If God had not said 'Of the tree of life you shall not eat'...to eat would not have been sin. It became sin when man chose to disobey..regardless of the reason? To eat is not sin...to eat when God said NO is sin. Paul said that if it had not been for the law, there would be no knowledge of sin Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Adam and Eve had only one law but they broke it. Sin was then imputed. This debate seems to trip on the free will of man just as the one on election.. Comments? God bless, |
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672 | Release and Faith Question | Rev 22:18 | gracefull | 91064 | ||
Hi radioman.. You are correct the word 'release' is not used in any verse together with faith...May I ask...is there any example of 'faith' in scripture where faith does not 'do something' before receiving the manifestation of the promise? For example: Hebrews 11 God bless |
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673 | Release and Faith Question | Rev 22:18 | gracefull | 91251 | ||
Hello John, "Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen." "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." Faith produces the manifestation of God's will in the earth when God's people ACT UPON the Word of God. Faith without works is dead. Faith must be released by action. Faith without corresponding actions is dead, not faith at all. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Why does every promise of God have to be received by faith including our salvation, our righteousness, our justification, the Holy Spirit infilling, the gifts, and all the promises....ALL cannot be received except through the avenue of faith. "Biblical faith is trusting in God to the exclusion of things seen; "for we walk by faith, not by sight." Faith in the Word of God produces the promises of God. It is not walking through life with blinders on hoping God will do something. Scripture teaches us that faith must be applied to the Word. Faith without the Word is hope and hope does not produce. Faithful actions can be called seed... Example Matthew 8:9-11 8 But the centurion said, "Lord, I am not worthy for You to come under my roof, but just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 "For I also am a man under authority, with soldiers under me; and I say to this one, 'Go!' and he goes, and to another, 'Come!' and he comes, and to my slave, 'Do this!' and he does it." 9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. Faith spoke and said...All you must do is speak the Word and the work will be done because you have the authority over sickness and desease. What did faith produce? the healed servant.. Who was Jesus? The Word of God made flesh. God's Word and will manifested through Jesus. So faith in God's Word is faith in Jesus and God. And God is faithful to His Word. This in not new age mysticism. New age mysticism says, " I am god and what I think I can produce." New age mysticism is the Satanic counterfeit of God's truth and excludes the existence of God and Jesus. God bless God bless |
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674 | Release and Faith Question | Rev 22:18 | gracefull | 91271 | ||
Hi radioman, "'Of the multiple views of faith held by Faith teachers,10 Copeland focuses primarily on an understanding of faith as a force. "Faith is a power force," he claims. "It is a tangible force. It is a conductive force."11 Moreover, "faith is a spiritual force....It is substance. Faith has the ability to effect natural substance."12 As "the force of gravity...makes the law of gravity work...this force of faith...makes the laws of the spirit world function."13" Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. NAS (5) - assurance, 2; confidence, 2; nature, 1 'Copeland affirms that "God cannot do anything for you apart or separate from faith,"14 for "faith is God's source of power" (emphasis in original).15 Moreover, "everything that you're able to see or touch, anything that you can feel, anything that's perceptive to the five physical senses, was originally the faith of God, and was born in the substance of God's faith."16 In other words, "faith was the raw material substance that the Spirit of God used to form the universe."17 Note the key phrase (for you) without faith Romans 5:1-2 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Also grace, righteousness, new birth, and Holy Spirit baptism to name a few others. Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." God did frame the worlds and all things by faith and His Word. Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. John 1:2-4 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. ALL THINGS 'Copeland adds that "God used words when He created the heaven and the earth....Each time God spoke, He RELEASED his FAITH - the creative power to bring His words to pass."18 For "words are spiritual containers,"19 and the "force of FAITH is RELEASED by words."20 Remember Hebrews 11:3..worlds framed by faith... then listen to Genesis 1 Genesis 1:33 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. Genesis 1:6 Then God said, "Let there be an (13) expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." ETC.. Besides, the idea of words functioning as faith-filled containers makes no sense if there is no such thing as a "force of faith" (requiring packaging and transportation) in the first place. Matthew 12:35-37 35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Man will have to account for EVERY IDLE WORD. Why is man going to be held so accountable if words are merely communicated thoughts of little value? What happens in the spirit world when man speaks? This verse does not merely state that we will be judged for the thoughts and intents of the heart, but for every idle word that proceeds from the heart, not JUST the heart...I wonder why? God bless |
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675 | Release and Faith Question | Rev 22:18 | gracefull | 91360 | ||
John, I do not agree. Faith is believing what God said and acting accordingly. Again 'Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. God speaks, we believe, we obey...we receive. I am sorry I do not have the time to elaborate but if you review my previous posts you can certainly assertain why this is my belief. God bless God bless |
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676 | Release and Faith Question | Rev 22:18 | gracefull | 91523 | ||
Hi angel9, We are righteous before God through FAITH in Jesus.Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: We are justified by FAITH in Jesus. Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. The process of sanctification is the process of growing up in Him according to His purpose for each of us and is the product OF already being under His grace. Grace is the WOMB we are in as we grow up and develop into the image of Jesus. When we deliver, we will see Him face to face! God bless |
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677 | Release and Faith Question | Rev 22:18 | gracefull | 91563 | ||
hi Graceful-thx for reply-I was with you right up "to that "grace is womb" statement.the word is clear that grace is a gift that we accept by entering through the Door-Jesus- and are born at that time. we have already been "delivered" when we are born of the Spirit. in Him angel9" You are correct...we born again spirits.. This is an ANALOGY of the protecting ongoing grace of God while we abide here in the flesh. When I believe the Lord dropped it in my spirit, I too hesitated..but then began to see what it means in scripture. The baby in the womb is protected from the 'world' just as we as believers have been protected from eternal damnation. We are encircled by the grace of God. This grace (womb) provides a safe haven from fear of death(spiritual and physical because we KNOW we are heaven bound) allowing us to grow up in Christ. While we are still in the world we are not OF the world. And although persections and trials may come..our spirit man is safe in the womb of grace...and if we sin we have an advocate, we repent...but we remain safe spiritually within the womb of grace. And last but not least...the umbilical cord of the Holy Spirit is the connection with the Father constantly 'feeding' us in the Word of truth, our spiritual food. He is seal of the promise of a safe delivery to our Father... If it still does not make sense, maybe it will later. I find it very comforting knowing God's grace is 'surrounding' me. If this analogy does not work for you, just toss it! God bless |
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678 | Release and Faith Question | Rev 22:18 | gracefull | 92000 | ||
Amen angel9, The MOST WONDEERFUL! God bless |
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