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121 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25212 | ||
Continued from prior post. Chapter XXII.-So Also Were Sacrifices and Oblations. "And that you may learn that it was for the sins of your own nation, and for their idolatries and not because there was any necessity for such sacrifices, that they were likewise enjoined, listen to the manner in which He speaks of these by Amos, one of the twelve, saying: 'Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is this day of the Lord for you? It is darkness and not light, as when a man flees from the face of a lion, and a bear meets him; and he goes into his house, and leans his hands against the wall, and the serpent bites him. Shall not the day of the Lord be darkness and not light, even very dark, and no brightness in it? I have hated, I have despised your feast-days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies: wherefore, though ye offer Me your burnt-offerings and sacrifices, I will not accept them; neither will I regard the peace-offerings of your presence. Take thou away from Me the multitude of thy songs and psalms; I will not hear thine instruments. But let judgment be rolled down as water, and righteousness as an impassable torrent. Have ye offered unto Me victims and sacrifices in the wilderness, O house of Israel? saith the Lord. And have ye taken up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Raphan, the figures which ye made for yourselves? And I will carry you away beyond Damascus, saith the Lord, whose name is the Almighty God. Woe to them that are at ease in Zion, and trust in the mountain of Samaria: those who are named among the chiefs have plucked away the first-fruits of the nations: the house of Israel have entered for themselves. Pass all of you unto Calneh, and see; and from thence go ye unto Hamath the great, and go down thence to Gath of the strangers, the noblest of all these kingdoms, if their boundaries are greater than your boundaries. Ye who come to the evil day, who are approaching, and who hold to false Sabbaths; who lie on beds of ivory, and are at ease upon their couches; who eat the lambs out of the flock, and the sucking calves out of the midst of the herd; who applaud at the sound of the musical instruments; they reckon them as stable, and not as fleeting, who drink wine in bowls, and anoint themselves with the chief ointments, but they are not grieved for the affliction of Joseph. Wherefore now they shall be captives, among the first of the nobles who are carried away; and the house of evil-doers shall be removed, and the neighing of horses shall be taken away from Ephraim.'54 And again by Jeremiah: 'Collect your flesh, and sacrifices, and eat: for concerning neither sacrifices nor libations did I command your fathers in the day in which I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt.'55 And again by David, in the forty-ninth Psalm, He thus said: 'The God of gods, the Lord hath spoken, and called the earth, from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. Out of Zion is the perfection of His beauty. God, even our God, shall come openly, and shall not keep silence. Fire shall burn before Him, and it shall be very temptestuous round about Him. He shall call to the heavens above, and to the earth, that He may judge His people. Assemble to Him His saints; those that have made a covenant with Him by sacrifices. And the heavens shall declare His righteousness, for God is judge. Hear, O My people, and I will speak to thee; O Israel, and I will testify to thee, I am God, even thy God. I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices; thy burnt-offerings are continually before me. I will take no bullocks out of thy house, nor he-goats out of thy folds: for all the beasts of the field are Mine, the herds and the oxen on the mountains. I know all the fowls of the heavens, and the beauty of the field is Mine. If I were hungry, I would not tell thee; for the world is Mine, and the fulness thereof. Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? Offer unto God the sacrifice of praise, and pay thy vows unto the Most High, and call upon Me in the day of trouble, and I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify Me. But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare My statutes, and to take My covenant into thy mouth? But thou hast hated instruction, and cast My words behind thee. When thou sawest a thief, thou consentedst with him; and hast been partaker with the adulterer. Thy mouth has framed evil, and thy tongue has enfolded deceit. Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother's son. (Continued in next post) |
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122 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25213 | ||
Continued from previous post. These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I would be like thyself in wickedness. I will reprove thee, and set thy sins in order before thine eyes. Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest He tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver. The sacrifice of praise shall glorify Me; and there is the way in which I shall show him My salvation.'56 Accordingly He neither takes sacrifices from you nor commanded them at first to be offered because they are needful to Him, but because of your sins. For indeed the temple, which is called the temple in Jerusalem, He admitted to be His house or court, not as though He needed it, but in order that you, in this view of it, giving yourselves to Him, might not worship idols. And that this is so, Isaiah says: 'What house have ye built Me? saith the Lord. Heaven is My throne, and earth is My footstool.'57 Chapter XXIII.-The Opinion of the Jews Regarding the Law Does an Injury to God. "But if we do not admit this, we shall be liable to fall into foolish opinions, as if it were not the same God who existed in the times of Enoch and all the rest, who neither were circumcised after the flesh, nor observed Sabbaths, nor any other rites, seeing that Moses enjoined such observances; or that God has not wished each race of mankind continually to perform the same righteous actions: to admit which, seems to be ridiculous and absurd. Therefore we must confess that He, who is ever the same, has commanded these and such like institutions on account of sinful men, and we must declare Him to be benevolent, foreknowing, needing nothing, righteous and good. But if this be not so, tell me, sir, what you think of those matters which we are investigating." And when no one responded: "Wherefore, Trypho, I will proclaim to you, and to those who wish to become proselytes, the divine message which I heard from that man.58 Do you see that the elements are not idle, and keep no Sabbaths? Remain as you were born. For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. For when Abraham himself was in uncircumcision, he was justified and blessed by reason of the faith which he reposed in God, as the Scripture tells. Moreover, the Scriptures and the facts themselves compel us to admit that He received circumcision for a sign, and not for righteousness. So that it was justly recorded concerning the people, that the soul which shall not be circumcised on the eighth day shall be cut off from his family. And, furthermore, the inability of the female sex to receive fleshly circumcision, proves that this circumcision has been given for a sign, and not for a work of righteousness. For God has given likewise to women the ability to observe all things which are righteous and virtuous; but we see that the bodily form of the male has been made different from the bodily form of the female; yet we know that neither of them is righteous or unrighteous merely for this cause, but [is considered righteous] by reason of piety and righteousness. Chapter XXIV.-The Christians' Circumcision Far More Excellent. "Now, sirs," I said, "it is possible for us to show how the eighth day possessed a certain mysterious import, which the seventh day did not possess, and which was promulgated by God through these rites. But lest I appear now to diverge to other subjects, understand what I say: the blood of that circumcision is obsolete, and we trust in the blood of salvation; there is now another covenant, and another law has gone forth from Zion. Jesus Christ circumcises all who will-as was declared above-with knives of stone;59 that they may be a righteous nation, a people keeping faith, holding to the truth, and maintaining peace. Come then with me, all who fear God, who wish to see the good of Jerusalem. Come, let us go to the light of the Lord; for He has liberated His people, the house of Jacob. Come, all nations; let us gather ourselves together at Jerusalem, no longer plagued by war for the sins of her people. 'For I was manifest to them that sought Me not; I was found of them that asked not for Me; '60 He exclaims by Isaiah: 'I said, Behold Me, unto nations which were not called by My name. I have spread out My hands all the day unto a disobedient and gainsaying people, which walked in a way that was not good, but after their own sins. It is a people that provoketh Me to my face.'61 Conintued. |
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123 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25214 | ||
Continued from previous post. Chapter XXVII.-Why God Taught the Same Things by the Prophets as by Moses. And Trypho said, "Why do you select and quote whatever you wish from the prophetic writings, but do not refer to those which expressly command the Sabbath to be observed? For Isaiah thus speaks: 'If thou shalt turn away thy foot from the Sabbaths, so as not to do thy pleasure on the holy day, and shalt call the Sabbaths the holy delights of thy God; if thou shalt not lift thy foot to work, and shalt not speak a word from thine own mouth; then thou shalt trust in the Lord, and He shall cause thee to go up to the good things of the land; and He shall feed thee with the inheritance of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.'"69 And I replied, "I have passed them by, my friends, not because such prophecies were contrary to me, but because you have understood, and do understand, that although God commands you by all the prophets to do the same things which He also commanded by Moses, it was on account of the hardness of your hearts, and your ingratitude towards Him, that He continually proclaims them, in order that, even in this way, if you repented, you might please Him, and neither sacrifice your children to demons, nor be partakers with thieves, nor lovers of gifts, nor hunters after revenge, nor fail in doing judgment for orphans, nor be inattentive to the justice due to the widow nor have your hands full of blood. 'For the daughters of Zion have walked with a high neck, both sporting by winking with their eyes, and sweeping along their dresses.70 For they are all gone aside, 'He exclaims, 'they are all become useless. There is none that understands, there is not so much as one. With their tongues they have practised deceit, their throat is an open sepulchre, the poison of asps is under their lips, destruction and misery are in their paths, and the way of peace they have not known.'71 So that, as in the beginning, these things were enjoined you because of your wickedness, in like manner because of your stedfastness in it, or rather your increased proneness to it, by means of the same precepts He calls you to a remembrance or knowledge of it. But you are a people hard-hearted and without understanding, both blind and lame, children in whom is no faith, as He Himself says, honouring Him only with your lips, far from Him in your hearts, teaching doctrines that are your own and not His. For, tell me, did God wish the priests to sin when they offer the sacrifices on the Sabbaths? or those to sin, who are circumcised and do circumcise on the Sabbaths; since He commands that on the eighth day-even though it happen to be a Sabbath-those who are born shall be always circumcised? or could not the infants be operated upon one day previous or one day subsequent to the Sabbath, if He knew that it is a sinful act upon the Sabbaths? Or why did He not teach those-who are called righteous and pleasing to Him, who lived before Moses and Abraham, who were not circumcised in their foreskin, and observed no Sabbaths-to keep these institutions? " Chapter XXIX.-Christ is Useless to Those Who Observe the Law. "Let us glorify God, all nations gathered together; for He has also visited us. Let us glorify Him by the King of glory, by the Lord of hosts. For He has been gracious towards the Gentiles also; and our sacrifices He esteems more grateful than yours. What need, then, have I of circumcision, who have been witnessed to by God? What need have I of that other baptism, who have been baptized with the Holy Ghost? I think that while I mention this, I would persuade even those who are possessed of scanty intelligence. For these words have neither been prepared by me, nor embellished by the art of man; but David sung them, Isaiah preached them, Zechariah proclaimed them, and Moses wrote them. Are you acquainted with them, Trypho? They are contained in your Scriptures, or rather not yours, but ours.77 For we believe them; but you, though you read them, do not catch the spirit that is in them. Be not offended at, or reproach us with, the bodily uncircumcision with which God has created us; and think it not strange that we drink hot water on the Sabbaths, since God directs the government of the universe on this day equally as on all others; and the priests, as on other days, so on this, are ordered to offer sacrifices; and there are so many righteous men who have performed none of these legal ceremonies, and yet are witnessed to by God Himself. Continued. |
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124 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25215 | ||
Continued from previous post. Chapter XXX.-Christians Possess the True Righteousness. "But impute it to your own wickedness, that God even can be accused by those who have no understanding, of not having always instructed all in the same righteous statutes. For such institutions seemed to be unreasonable and unworthy of God to many men, who had not received grace to know that your nation were called to conversion and repentance of spirit,78 while they were in a sinful condition and labouring under spiritual disease; and that the prophecy which was announced subsequent to the death of Moses is everlasting. And this is mentioned in the Psalm, my friends.79 And that we, who have been made wise by them, confess that the statutes of the Lord are sweeter than honey and the honey-comb, is manifest from the fact that, though threatened with death, we do not deny His name. Moreover, it is also manifest to all, that we who believe in Him pray to be kept by Him from strange, i.e., from wicked and deceitful, spirits; as the word of prophecy, personating one of those who believe in Him, figuratively declares. For we do continually beseech God by Jesus Christ to preserve us from the demons which are hostile to the worship of God, and whom we of old time served, in order that, after our conversion by Him to God, we may be blameless. For we call Him Helper and Redeemer, the power of whose name even the demons do fear; and at this day, when they are exorcised in the name of Jesus Christ, crucified under Pontius Pilate, governor of Judaea, they are overcome. And thus it is manifest to all, that His Father has given Him so great power, by virtue of which demons are subdued to His name, and to the dispensation of His suffering. Chapter XLIII.-He Concludes that the Law Had an End in Christ, Who Was Born of the Virgin. "As, then, circumcision began with Abraham, and the Sabbath and sacrifices and offerings and feasts with Moses, and it has been proved they were enjoined on account of the hardness of your people's heart, so it was necessary, in accordance with the Father's will, that they should have an end in Him who was born of a virgin, of the family of Abraham and tribe of Judah, and of David; in Christ the Son of God, who was proclaimed as about to come to all the world, to be the everlasting law and the everlasting covenant, even as the forementioned prophecies show. And we, who have approached God through Him, have received not carnal, but spiritual circumcision, which Enoch and those like him observed. And we have received it through baptism, since we were sinners, by God's mercy; and all men may equally obtain it. But since the mystery of His birth now demands our attention I shall speak of it. Isaiah then asserted in regard to the generation of Christ, that it could not be declared by man, in words already quoted:121 'Who shall declare His generation? for His life is taken from the earth: for the transgressions of my people was He led122 to death.'123 The Spirit of prophecy thus affirmed that the generation of Him who was to die, that we sinful men might be healed by His stripes, was such as could not be declared. Furthermore, that the men who believe in Him may possess the knowledge of the manner in which He came into the world,124 the Spirit of prophecy by the same Isaiah foretold how it would happen thus: 'And the Lord spoke again to Ahaz, saying, Ask for thyself a sign from the Lord thy God, in the depth, or in the height. And Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the Lord. And Isaiah said, Hear then, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to contend with men, and how do you contend with the Lord? Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive, and shall bear a son, and his name shall be called Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat, before he knows or prefers the evil, and chooses out the good;125 for before the child knows good or ill, he rejects evil126 by choosing out the good. For before the child knows how to call father or mother, he shall receive the power of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria in presence of the king of Assyria. And the land shall be forsaken,127 which thou shalt with difficulty endure in consequence of the presence of its two kings.128 But God shall bring on thee, and on thy people, and on the house of thy father, days which have not yet come upon thee since the day in which Ephraim took away from Judah the king of Assyria.'129 Now it is evident to all, that in the race of Abraham according to the flesh no one has been born of a virgin, or is said to have been born [of a virgin], save this our Christ. (This is continued in next post) |
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125 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25216 | ||
Final Post in series. But since you and your teachers venture to affirm that in the prophecy of Isaiah it is not said, 'Behold, the virgin shall conceive, 'but, 'Behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son; 'and [since] you explain the prophecy as if [it referred] to Hezekiah, who was your king, I shall endeavor to [discuss shortly this point in opposition to you, and to show that reference is made to Him who is acknowledged by us as Christ. Chapter XLVII.-Justin Communicates with Christians Who Observe the Law. And Trypho again inquired, "But if some one, knowing that this is so, after he recognises that this man is Christ, and has believed in and obeys Him, wishes, however, to observe these [institutions], will he be saved? " I said, "In my opinion, Trypho, such an one will be saved, if he does not strive in every way to persuade other men,-I mean those Gentiles who have been circumcised from error by Christ, to observe the same things as himself, telling them that they will not be saved unless they do so. This you did yourself at the commencement of the discourse, when you declared that I would not be saved unless I observe these institutions." Then he replied, "Why then have you said, 'In my opinion, such an one will be saved, 'unless there are some144 who affirm that such will not be saved? " "There are such people, Trypho," I answered; "and these do not venture to have any intercourse with or to extend hospitality to such persons; but I do not agree with them. But if some, through weak-mindedness, wish to observe such institutions as were given by Moses, from which they expect some virtue, but which we believe were appointed by reason of the hardness of the people's hearts, along with their hope in this Christ, and [wish to perform] the eternal and natural acts of righteousness and piety, yet choose to live with the Christians and the faithful, as I said before, not inducing them either to be circumcised like themselves, or to keep the Sabbath, or to observe any other such ceremonies, then I hold that we ought to join ourselves to such, and associate with them in all things as kinsmen and brethren. But if, Trypho," I continued, "some of your race, who say they believe in this Christ, compel those Gentiles who believe in this Christ to live in all respects according to the law given by Moses, or choose not to associate so intimately with them, I in like manner do not approve of them. But I believe that even those, who have been persuaded by them to observe the legal dispensation along with their confession of God in Christ, shall probably be saved. And I hold, further, that such as have confessed and known this man to be Christ, yet who have gone back from some cause to the legal dispensation, and have denied that this man is Christ, and have repented not before death, shall by no means be saved. Further, I hold that those of the seed of Abraham who live according to the law, and do not believe in this Christ before death, shall likewise not be saved, and especially those who have anathematized and do anathematize this very Christ in the synagogues, and everything by which they might obtain salvation and escape the vengeance of fire.145 For the goodness and the loving-kindness of God, and His boundless riches, hold righteous and sinless the man who, as Ezekiel146 tells, repents of sins; and reckons sinful, unrighteous, and impious the man who fails away from piety and righteousness to unrighteousness and ungodliness. Wherefore also our Lord Jesus Christ said, 'In whatsoever things I shall take you, in these I shall judge you.'"147 THE END. Do we disregard this account of what I'd call "freedom in Christ"? God bless! |
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126 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25217 | ||
I noticed that I had written the wrong verse number right after I "sent". :) I'm glad you corrected it. Now I'm curious. Do you know when that rabbinical "rule" was added? Any idea?? |
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127 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25223 | ||
Perhaps I'm missing something, but how do we now "know with a fair degree of certainty" that Paul used the word "kai"? I'm afraid I still don't understand where you got that from. :) It's late... maybe I need sleep. You said: The mss used as the base for the KJV (not a strict translation but more of an updating of previous English translations) were few in number and not representative of all that is out there today. How many English translations were there before the King James? That is what you're saying isn't it? Since the oldest manuscripts do disagree minutely, how have you decided which one is the "right" one? :) God bless you. PS I know it was Greek, LOL ... and I should have written "kai"! I sure wasn't thinking very well when I wrote that other post. :) Possibly not this one either... please bear with me though, okay? |
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128 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25260 | ||
From what I gathered, the "Dialogue" occurred while Justin was living in Ephesus. The Jewish Rabbi was sent to him by people at Corinth, and he brought along with him other Jews to hear Justin's answers to their questions. The First Apology... didn't say anything about where he was writing from, but as I said it could have been either. Have you read the "continued" posts? Do you have an opinion concerning Justin's understanding about the Sabbath? |
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129 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25429 | ||
I should have done this in the beginning, but I didn't. So here is the meaning for "kai" from Strong's Concordance. Please note that "kai" can be translated either "and" or "or". KAI means: and, also, both, but, even, for, if, indeed, likewise, moreover, or, so, that, then, therefore, when, yea, yet. So which biblical scholars have claimed that it should be or can only be translated as "and" rather than "or"? And when (approximate year) did these scholars come to this conclusion? Tyndale was the first man to tranlate the Bible from the original Hebrew and Greek texts into English. Cloverdale's Bible was taken from Dutch and Latin sources. Roger's Bible was almost wholly copied from Tyndales. And the "Great Bible" was a compilation from Tyndale, Rogers, and Cloverdale. And the Geneva Bible was mainly based on Tyndale's, but with strongly Calvinistic notes. The original KJV in 1611 was extremely similar to Tyndale's translation (1525), even though the 1611 KJV was a revision, it was solely based on Tyndale's work. The KJV of today is an Americanized version of the 1611 KJV. Below is the type of "difference" between Tyndale's Bible, the 1611 KJV, and today's KJV. Tyndale's Bible - Hebrews 11:1: Fayth is a sure confidence off thynges which are hoped for, and a certayntie off thynges which are not sene. 1611 KJV - Hebrews 11:1: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the euidence of things not seen. Americanized KJV - Hebrews 11:1: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. And I would also like to note that the original Greek manuscripts that Tyndale used to translate to English, are shown to have used the Greek word "e" which (just like the word "kai") in Col. 2:16, can be translated either "and" or "or". So it would seem that regardless of which original "text" the scholars used to translate into English -- it comes down to their interpretation or understanding of the actual verse, as to whether they translate either of those Greek words to "and" or "or". So which Bible interpretation do you use that states "and" in Col. 2:16?? ... and when and who authored that version? I'm just curious here. Btw, I didn't check into the "KJV only" articles. I checked into each particular Bible to get the information. I didn't want a biased view. Thanks for encouraging me to do so. God bless. |
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130 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25582 | ||
Honestly dconklin... to me "or" makes more sense than "and". But I think I understand where you are coming from. Please tell me if I'm wrong. Do you understand that verse to be speaking of ONE thing, as opposed to multiple things? For instance if "and" is used, then a person could understand that verse to be saying "let no man judge you in [the singular event of] eating, drinking, a festival i.e. new moon, sabbath" because "and" could give one the idea that those things are all joined together into one event. Whereas "or" would separate them, and suggest that Paul was saying "let no one judge you in any one of these things". Is that why you think "and" makes more sense? |
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131 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | There | 25717 | ||
Actually I usually try to look at and understand the other person's position, even if I do disagree with them. I have not made this apparent in my postings though, or it would not have surprised you. But anyway, in this paticular case... I do disagree. Your interpretation sounds so close, but it does change the context of the verse in my opinion. You said: "Let no man therefore judge you in your feasting and fasting on the feast days, or the new moons, or the ceremonial sabbath days: Although I think "feasting and fasting" could be a pretty good understanding of "eating and drinking", I do think it strays far away from the context after that. Paul clearly states either "or" or "and" between "regards to eating and drinking" AND "in respect to festivals, etc.". That is a first clue that he did not mean people were not to be judged only for the "eating and drinking" that was done on certain days. So I believe that Paul meant what he said. Men were not to judge others concerning ALL of those things: eating, drinking, festivals, new moons, sabbaths. But one of the reasons I think Paul said what he meant when he used the "or" or "and" in respect to the festivals etc.... is completely explained in the remainder of Paul's statement in verse 17. Again... I wish you could understand why I keep bringing that up. One part of the sentence is only that -- one part. One part of a whole thought on Paul's part. In order to put the first part in context, we must at least include the second part of his thought. You said: 17 These (i.e., the feasting and fasting) are a shadow of things to come; rather let the Church decide such matters." It was not just the feasting and fasting (eating and drinking) that were a shadow of things to come. It was ALL of those things he'd mentioned. The point though is that verse 17 explains what all those things have in common. "WHICH ARE a shadow of things to come, but the substance (body) is of Christ". Oviously Paul and the early Christians knew by this time that the eating and drinking (communion?), festivals, new moons, and the Sabbaths were all to be fullfilled in/through Christ Jesus... whether during His first coming to begin His church, or His second, when He would finish what He'd started. I think all Paul was saying is that "all those things" are a shadow of what is coming to and will be shown within the body of believers (body of Christ). I don't believe the "body" is the one to make decisions for the "body". I believe the "head" is to make decisions for the "body". If Christ is our head, we will be led by His Spirit, not by man or man's decisions. I'm not sure I'm making myself understandable. But I don't know of any other way to say it, other than to quote Paul in Col. 2:16-17. :) God bless. |
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132 | Do we play or pray? | Col 2:16 | There | 26300 | ||
Yes, we will won't we? :) God bless. |
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133 | A husband's responsibility | 1 Tim 5:8 | There | 18700 | ||
Hi Lionstrong, I'm not really sure HOW his thinking goes in the case of Genesis 3, but my "guess" is that he's going strictly by "in the sweat of your face (hard word) YOU shall eat bread". Like I said, though it is a guess. His way of thinking hasn't made much sense to me either. Thank you for the scripture!! It's very much appreciated. There |
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134 | A husband's responsibility | 1 Tim 5:8 | There | 18701 | ||
My opinion of Proverbs 31 is similar to yours. I believe a "virtuous wife" is one that is "a wise steward of her husband's money and goods" and also is a dependable worker in caring for her family... not lazy. She also has a kind and generous heart, and loves God. When this subject came up... I went blank. I've never had anyone "question" this part of a husband's responsibility before... using the Bible! So I certainly appreciate your help. There |
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135 | computers... | Revelation | There | 12697 | ||
Thanks for the info Ed. I'd heard that on the 10 o'clock news... should have known better than to believe it I guess. :) | ||||||
136 | God's wrath tribulational. | Revelation | There | 18663 | ||
The book "The Sign" by Robert Van Kampen is very good too. Also very intense reading! | ||||||
137 | I agree, but I also have a question | Revelation | There | 18719 | ||
Okay, I understand what you mean. I'm afraid I have done some "discussing" with SDA's in the recent past and wondered if your opinion of "overcoming on the Lord's day" had something to do with Sabbath keeping. It's refeshing to hear that it isn't. | ||||||
138 | I agree, but I also have a question | Revelation | There | 18754 | ||
Seventh Day Adventist. | ||||||
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