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1 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212132 | ||
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3 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212121 | ||
Hi humbledbyhisgrace: As far as your position on the issue of Apostles, and Prophets, I totally understand your position. I also totally disagree with it, so we can at this point agree to disagree, as brothers in Christ. It is not an issue that should cause division. Your Brother In Christ Nevvvvine |
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4 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212119 | ||
Hi Val: All I will say is, if you Post, aren't you responsable for your posts, not someone else, you made statements, that I have questioned, I did not write to Humbled, I wrote to you. If you can't or don't want to answer thats ok I fully understand. In Jesus Love Nevvvvine |
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5 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212117 | ||
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6 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212116 | ||
Hi srbaegon: you say, "What do you mean by immoral? Whatever your answer, transexuality is sin" my answer Apparently all I am allowed to say on this matter is, I whole heartedly disagree with you. There is alot more that could be said on the subject, so it might suffice to say, this issue is not a sexual one as you, and others believe, it is an emotional, and spiritual one. Trans., and Homo. are not the same thing. It is not so easily solved, as by who wears what. The simple fact of the matter is, that the Church needs to come to an understanding of this issue, and cease from condemnation, so it will be able to minister to the lost, as they should be. Jesus said it differently than you, and others are saying it. John 7:24 24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. Luke 6:37 37) Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Luke 15:7 7) I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. John 8:11 11) She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Paul then writes for us, a list of other sins, in your eyes are these sins any less Heanous than Transexuality? Rom. 1 29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Does not "ALL" sin have the same sentance of Death connected to it? Weren't all of us condemed to death also, for our sins , were they any the less Heanous in Gods eyes. All sin is "Abomination", and a Stench in the Nostrels of God. For it is written: Romans 3:23 23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; But then Paul, and Isaiah show us promises made. Rom. 8:38,39 38) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39) Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Hebrews 7:25 25) Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. Isaiah 1:18 18) Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. In the Love of Christ Nevvvvine |
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7 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212103 | ||
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8 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212094 | ||
Hi John: I don't ask questions for the fun of it, YES I am serious. in Jesus Love Nevvvvine |
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9 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212092 | ||
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10 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212089 | ||
Hi Val: How do we get from, Ministery, to Office. Are they synominious? You have quoted "There is no continuity of the office of an apostle since in no place were the churches instructed to ordain apostles". by "Spiro Zodiates, Th.D." Does he also say there is no continuity for the other 4 Ministeries, (Offices). to "Ordain them". Therefore those "OFFICES" should have ended also. Right? As I have stated before, we cannot look at Apostles, and Prophets as seperate from the 5 fold ministery, ("Unique") in some way, all of the 5 were listed in the Bible together, for a specific purpose, in relation to each other, for the ongoing ministry to the Church. ERGO - - - If one Ministry ends, all must therefore end, on the grounds, they are inter-related. Eph 4:11,12 11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: You have attempted to make the point that all of the twelve apostles were called specifically by Christ. They lost one, Judas. Then Paul is specifically called by Christ. OK, your right, all those named were specifically called by Christ but where does Matthias come in (Acts 1:25,26) he was the one that took up the ministry, which was vacated by JUDAS, not PAUL.. Was there a specific calling of Matthias by Christ, as it was with the 12, or even Paul? In Gods Love Nevvvvine |
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11 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212074 | ||
Hi CDBJ: You have made the statement. "what is the prerequisite to be an apostle and could there be a person alive to fulfill it?" Then you go on, to use this verse, as the prerequisit! Acts 1:20-22 Verse 22 puts a halt to the possibility. “a witness with us of his resurrection” A question for you. Was Paul, an Apostle (Acts 14:14) Or Barnabas (Acts 14:14; Or Silas which is Silvanus (1 Thess. 1:1, 2:6) Or Timothy (1 Thess. 1:1, 2:6) Or Apollos (1 Cor.4:6 and 9) Or Titus (2 Cor.23) Or Andronicus (Rom.16:7) Or Junia (Rom.16:7) Or James (Gal.1:19) Or Epaphroditus (Phil. 2:25, ? Did all of these men listed, also know the Lord, following Him in His ministry, from the beginning, being “a witness with us of his resurrection” as you have stated, fulfilling the Prerequisit to be an Apostle? As you believe, was the evident Qualfication for one to become an Apostle? Did all of these men, die off within the 1 Century of the Church? You close by saying. 1) Even if there were apostles, they couldn’t improve on God’s "completed Cannon of Scripture" 2) or don’t you believe that God’s perfect written Word is totally sufficient coupled with the working of God the Holy Spirit? My answer 1) Who has put forth the belief, that just because there would be Apostles in in the church today, that there would automatically be a changing of, or additions made to "The Completed Cannon of Scripture? That belief goes far beyond anything anyone has stated, it also goes beyond anything that Scripture teaches on the subject of Apostles in the Church. It seems as though you are mixing the Ministeries of the Apostle, and Prophet together. Thereby claming, anything that person may say, or write would become a "New Cannon" to the Church. 2) Look at (1 Cor.14) Then tell me "WHO" is the "Apostle" talking to. (The Church, or other Apostles?) If he is talking to the believers in the Corinthian Church ie, "to Us" then that Ministry should still be in the Church, for the Edification of the Church. Please define for us "Prophesy" in respect to the use of the word in 1 Cor. 14 showing where the "Prophesy" would change, or should be added to the "Cannon of Scripture". Why are only the first 2 of the 5 fold ministry ended? Are not all of the 5 needed for the Edification of the Church? If your reasioning is correct, then all five must end at the same time, otherwise " Apostles, and Prophets", become a catigory unto themselve, and not being a part of the 5 as believed. ie, "The Apostolic Age" Is the church also to go through "The Evagilistic Age"? Then "The "Pastor Age"? Lastly "The Teacher Age"? You say were in "The Church Age" just what does that signify, where we are in Church History? God Bless Nevvvvine |
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12 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212054 | ||
Hi all: I will just do it this way, Can anyone answer the question, Where did the doctrine of "The Apostolic Age" come from, where did it originate, who put it forth as doctrine first? God Bless Nevvvvine |
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13 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212049 | ||
Hi humbledbyhisgrace: The possibility exists that we could be at opposit ends of this issue. You have asked 2 questions for clarification of my position. These 2 questions, are not biblically based, are they? What I mean is, you don't have any definitive verse of scripture that does say these ministries will end upon the death of the Apostles do you? 1) Do you believe this passage is saying that there is a need for more/new apostles and prophets in the church other then what we know of in Scripture? answer "YES" On the grounds of what This Scripture Does Say,. (" The 5 fold ministry, for the edification of the church, should not cease to exist, until the return of Christ"). 2) (i.e. there are apostles and prophets in the Church today)? answer This one is a little bit harder to answer. To start with, I asked a question that no one has answered yet, so I will attempt to do so myself. "This belief called "The Apostolic Age" which has been put forth, as the reason for the ending of the Gifts of the Spirit". "Just where did the teaching called "The Apostolic Age" originate?" My answer is the origin of this doctrine, comes directly from the Catholic Church, which in turn raises another question. Why would we as Protestant Religions follow what the Catholic Church says, when we do not follow anything else they say? We are called PROTEST - ANT meaning we protest against the Catholic Church, and it's teachings. OK, now to the answer to your second question. Because of this doctrine that has been incorperated into Protestantism, and the fragmentation of the Protestant religions today, "No" I don't know of anybody that is ,or could be called, an Apostle, or Prophet. But that does not mean that God does not have these people waiting in the wings, waiting for His Church to open there eyes to these ministries, and the importance of them to the Body of Christ, another question arises, Where is the body of Christ, which religion constitutes this body. Because verse 13 of Eph. 4 makes it perfectly clear. 13) (Till we all come in the unity of the faith), (and of the knowledge of the Son of God), (unto a perfect man), (unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ): When this fragmentation of the Body of Christ ends, and we do come together IN the UNITY of the FAITH. Then, and only then, will we be heading in the right direction, which is directly into the loving arms of Jesus Christ. Now I ask of you to please, declare your position. In the Love of Jesus Nevvvvine |
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14 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212030 | ||
Hi humbledbyhisgrace: Thank you for your responce. My post is a direct rebuttal. To the argument of those, that would call themselves (Cessationist), on the grounds, "The Apostolic Age" came to an end, and therefore the (Gifts of the Spirit) also ended. The thrust of my post revolves around these verses. Eph 4: 11-13 1) Which give the list of the ministeries to the Church. 2) The reason for these ministeries. 3) And the fact that these ministeries will not cease, "UNTIL" certain things are fulfilled, by the Church. I believe the same as you do my brother, please reread my post. 11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13) (Till we all come in the unity of the faith), (and of the knowledge of the Son of God), (unto a perfect man), (unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ): In Gods Love Nevvvvine |
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15 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212029 | ||
Hi humbledbyhisgrace: Thank you for your responce. My post is a direct rebuttal. To the argument of those, that would call themselves (Cessationist), on the grounds, "The Apostolic Age" came to an end, and therefore the (Gifts of the Spirit) also ended. The thrust of my post revolves around these verses. Eph 4: 11-13 1) Which give the list of the ministeries to the Church. 2) The reason for these ministeries. 3) And the fact that these ministeries will not cease, "UNTIL" certain things are fulfilled, by the Church. I believe the same as you do my brother, please reread my post. 11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13) (Till we all come in the unity of the faith), (and of the knowledge of the Son of God), (unto a perfect man), (unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ): In Gods Love Nevvvvine |
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16 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | Nevvvvine | 212027 | ||
Hi Brad: This post is for everyone that have contributed to this thread. I post it to you, for you to be able to add it to your studies. The following is a scripture, I have just found while looking for something else. To me It answers the question in the thread of - - - " Am I Ignorant" ("Are the Gifts of the Holy Spirit for today, or did the Gifts stop when the Apostles died"?) This finding should put to rest, where it should be, the belief called "The Apostolic Age" which has been put forth, as the reason for the ending of the Gifts of the Spirit. Just where did the teaching called "The Apostolic Age" originate? I have added the brackets: EPH.4:7 and 11-16 7) But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13) (Till we all come in the unity of the faith), (and of the knowledge of the Son of God), (unto a perfect man), (unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ): 14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. Till we all come in the unity of the faith Unless I am mistaken, "Till" means "Till" these things come to pass. I for one do not see where any of the 4 things listed have been fulfilled yet. Therefore if the "TILL" has not come to pass, then the Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers, are "ALL" still needed in the 21 Century Church. If we say, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers are still in the Church, but not Apostles, and that Prophets are a question at this point, then "TILL" has not come to pass. If this 5 fold minestry is still viable, and alive today, then so are the Gifts of the Spirit. The things that need to come to pass are. 1) The Church comes together in the Unity of the faith 2) And the full knowledge of the Son of God. 3) Unto a perfect man. 4) Unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. For the Church to come unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ. The connotation of that statement is that there SHOULD be the Gifts in the Church, which would constitute the measure of his stature, and his fullness. Then vs.16 states, "every joint supplieth, effectual working in the measure of every part", this also signifing a referance to 1 Cor. 12 and 14. listing of the Gifts. In the light of this scripture, it is my belief that most basically these vs. are saying, that "Until" these things in the Church, (Body of Christ) come to pass, all of the 5 ministeries, and including the Gifts of the Spirit, will be needed, and should be in use. God Bless Nevvvvine |
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17 | acknowleged my sin to You | Psalm | Nevvvvine | 211977 | ||
Hi yellowrose: CAPS DO NOT BOTHER ME AT ALL,YOUR DOING FINE. |
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18 | Did Jonah die in the belly of the fish? | Jon 2:2 | Nevvvvine | 211953 | ||
Hi MJH: Cudoes on your answer, short, concise, to the point. Very informative, your answer says it correctly. The top of your head, must be a pretty level place. In Gods Love Nevvvvine |
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19 | Personality disorder or demon possesion? | Mark 5:15 | Nevvvvine | 211951 | ||
Hi justme: The answer was "yes" to your question, and an explination, but as you see (dot dot dot). Bless God Nevvvvine |
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20 | Did Jonah die in the belly of the fish? | Jon 2:2 | Nevvvvine | 211950 | ||
Hi again All: Jonah 1:12-17 Still keeping things clear First we see in vs.12 (so shall the sea be calm unto you): Then in vs.15 (and the sea ceased from her raging). Lastly we see in vs.17 (Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah). The sea was calmed Instantainiously, and there was a whale ready for the task, to which he was ordained by God. Jonah was in no danger of drowning. Jonah 3:3-10 In vs. 3 it says the city was a 3 day journey, then in vs.4 we see on the first day he spoke to people, it seems they went ahead of him spreading the word, further on in vs.6 so before Jonah got there the King heard of it and proclamed a fast, vs.7 even for the animals. vs.10 God repents of the evil. Jonah 4:1-11 In vs.1 Maby I'm not reading correctly but "ANGRY" does mean the same as "MAD" doesn't it ?Next vs.2 Jonah declairs why he is angry, because God is kind, gracious, merciful, and yes he does ask to die. vs.4 God just tells him you have a right to be angry "mad" my word. vs.5 Then we see Jonahs anger put into action, he sits down defiantly wating for God to move. In vrs. 6,7 God makes a gourd to demonstrate a point to Jonah. "I" do as I please, "I AM" God! vs. 8 God causes Jonah to faint because of the sun, and a vehement heat. Again in vs.9 God tells Jonah your right to be angry, Jonah answers God with a smart mouth, still angry. So in vs.10,11 God explains to Jonah, "WHY" He has done what he has. Your right it is a short book, now that you have read it again do you see what I was saying? Regardless what most Scholars may believe, doesn't their belief still come down to speculation also? The point isn't whether or not they finally came to a full repentance after 100 yrs. The story is about the time stated, and they did repent at that time, thats why Jonah was Mad, and wanted them destroyed. Look at all he had gone through, knowing all along that God would do exactly, as He did. Jonah is in essance saying, look God, I didn't want to come here in the first place, knowing you would forgive them, I felt it was a wast of time on my part, It isn't fair, putting me through all the things you have, I want them to be Destroyed, and I will wait right here until you do! As far as dying, I believe Jonah really thought he was going to die. Therefore he was pleading with God to save his soul from the PIT. I am sure while he was in the belly of the whale, he did go down to the bottoms of the mountains. To the depths of the seas. God Bless Nevvvvine |
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