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1 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | 10ECPreacher | 201165 | ||
Hi, rb8. You stated, "As we celibrate Easter, remember that Chist's death an resurrection is sufficient." I would like to point out that in conjunction with the death and resurrection of Christ, the Bible also teaches that the burial of Christ is also a vital component in our salvation experience. The Gospel, according the scriptures, is comprised of three steps: 1. The Death of Jesus 2. The Burial of Jesus 3. The Resurrection of Jesus 1 Cor. 15:1-4 1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, 2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you — unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, Romans 10:16 tells us that not everyone has "obeyed the gospel." The three points of the Gospel, as stated in 1 Cor. 15, correspond to the instructions given by the apostle Peter in Acts 2:38: 1. Repent [Death] 2. Be Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins [Burial] 3. Receive the gift of the Holy Spirit [Resurrection] According to Rom. 6:4 and Col. 2:12, we are buried with Christ by baptism. In Christ, tdc |
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2 | Hebrew and Greek Old Testament | Bible general Archive 4 | 10ECPreacher | 200960 | ||
Thank you, Doc, for catching my error. I over-zealously paraphrased the following sentence from the Wikipedia entry for Septuagint: "The readily apparent semantic differences result from alternative strategies for interpreting the difficult verse and relate to differences in vowelization and punctuation of the consonantal text." Obviously, the editors "punctuate" our texts today, but you are quite correct in pointing out that the ancient texts had no punctuation marks. Thanks again for making this clarification! In Christ, tdc |
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3 | The absolute deity of Jesus Christ | Heb 13:8 | 10ECPreacher | 200777 | ||
In this verse we are told in plain, unmistakable language that Jesus Christ is indeed the great I AM, the Eternal, self-existent One who inhabits eternity. One of the most awesome messages of the Bible is the fact that Jesus Christ is indeed the Mighty God of Isa. 9:6. This unequivocal fact is spelled out for us in Hebrews 13:8 with a force that cannot be gainsaid. First of all, let us examine the term “the same.” This term is also used of Jesus Christ (“the Son”) in the first chapter of Hebrews, verse 12. Notice the context beginning in verse 8: “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.” It is clear that this passage is being quoted from the Old Testament. One of the places referred to is found in Psalm 102:25-27: “Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.” Carefully consider this quote taken from The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible concerning the phrase “thou art the same” in Psalm 102:27— “…or ‘thou art he’, the everlasting I AM, the unchangeable Jehovah; immutable in his nature and perfections; in his love and affections to his people; in his power to protect and keep them; in his wisdom to guide and direct them; in his righteousness to clothe them, and render them acceptable to God; in his blood to cleanse them, and speak peace and pardon to them; in his fulness to supply them, and in his intercession for them…” The Hebrew word translated “the same” in Psalm 102:27 is used in other places in scripture as a term by which God identifies Himself as the Great I AM, the Eternal, self-existent one. Consider Isaiah 48:12-13: “Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.” In conjunction with this also notice Isaiah 41:4: “Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.” And finally, consider Isaiah 43:10-13: “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?” In each of these three passages in Isaiah the same Hebrew term is used that was used in Psalm 102. In Isaiah the translation is “I am he;” in Psalm 102 the translation is “thou art the same.” When the inspired New Testament writer declared that Jesus Christ is “the same,” he was telling us that Jesus Christ is Yahweh (Jehovah), the I AM, the self-existent Eternal One. The words that follow “the same” —yesterday, today and forever— correspond exactly to the meaning of God’s sacred covenant name as revealed to Moses (“I AM that I AM”): I always have been (the same as) what I now am and (the same as) that which I ever shall be. (See Ex. 3:14.) Notice how this precisely parallels the testimony of Jesus Christ in Revelation 1:1-18: “The Revelation of Jesus Christ… I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty….” Hebrews 13:8 is one of the most emphatic theological assertions of the absolute deity of Jesus Christ in the Bible, actually linguistically linking the OT Sacred Covenant Name to the NT Sacred Covenant Name! Copyright Statement The New John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible Modernised and adapted for the computer by Larry Pierce of Online Bible. All Rightes Reserved, Larry Pierce, Winterbourne, Ontario. A printed copy of this work can be ordered from: The Baptist Standard Bearer, 1 Iron Oaks Dr, Paris, AR, 72855 |
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4 | What did Yeshua notice? | John 1:49 | 10ECPreacher | 200503 | ||
parpar, Your answer is very well put. This story has fascinated me for years, and I never cease to marvel at it. It is remarkable that Jesus in this passage clearly identified Himself as the very “ladder” that Jacob had seen in his dream many hundreds of years before: Genesis 28:12-13 12 And he dreamed, and behold, there was a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven. And behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it! 13 And behold, the LORD stood above it and said, "I am the LORD, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac. . . .” We can reasonably infer from Jesus’ words in v.51 that Nathanael was at least contemplating if not fervently desiring the coming of Messiah, of which Jacob’s dream was clearly a prophecy. In Jacob’s dream, the angels of God were “ascending and descending” on the ladder, which stood upon the earth and yet its top reached heaven. The symbolic reference here is plain: Messiah will walk on earth as a man, and yet He will also be God (v.13 “The LORD stood” at its top). Jesus said in v.51 they would see the angels of God “ascending and descending” on “the Son of Man”, a term that was a clear reference to Himself as Messiah. Nathanael had just exclaimed, “Rabbi, You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!” when Jesus revealed that He had seen him under the fig tree. (Such an exclamation rivals the inspired words of Simon in Matt. 16:16 – “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God!”) In the words of the illustrious apostle Paul in 1 Tim. 3:16 Amplified: “And great and important and weighty, we confess, is the hidden truth (the mystic secret) of godliness. He [God] was made visible in human flesh, justified and vindicated in the [Holy] Spirit, was seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, [and] taken up in glory.” In Christ, tdc |
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5 | Where was the spirit of man before conce | Gen 2:7 | 10ECPreacher | 200428 | ||
Proverbs 20:27 Amplified "The spirit of man [that factor in human personality which proceeds immediately from God] is the lamp of the Lord, searching all his innermost parts." Ecclesiastes 3:21 Amplified "Who knows the spirit of man, whether it goes upward, and the spirit of the beast, whether it goes downward to the earth?" Zechariah 12:1 Amplified "THE BURDEN or oracle (the thing to be lifted up) of the word of the Lord concerning Israel: Thus says the Lord, Who stretches out the heavens and lays the foundation of the earth and forms the spirit of man within him:" 1 Corinthians 2:11 Amplified "For what person perceives (knows and understands) what passes through a man's thoughts except the man's own spirit within him? Just so no one discerns (comes to know and comprehend) the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God." These scriptures teach that man does possess a spirit before he is born again -- it is the spirit (breath, natural life) of man, however, which is not to be confused with God's Spirit. When we are born again of the water and spirit (John 3:3,5,7-8) we do indeed receive the Holy Spirit of God and become "new creations" (2 Cor. 5:17). 1 Thessalonians 5:23 Amplified "And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you through and through [separate you from profane things, make you pure and wholly consecrated to God]; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved sound and complete [and found] blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah)." Hope this helps... In Christ, tdc |
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6 | Did sin bring death into the world? | Rom 5:12 | 10ECPreacher | 200337 | ||
Mr. Mel, I have given this subject much thought over the years. In my opinion, the death spoken of in this text (Rom. 5:12) cannot be physical death if life before "the fall" was physical life as we now know it. According to some scholars, death begins the moment life begins. In order for life as we know it to be sustained, living things must constantly die. Big animals eat little animals; little animals eat insects and plants. Big fish eat little fish; little fish eat plankton and algae, etc. Even plants need the decaying matter of other organic things in order to live. It is my understanding that the cells in the human body are constantly being replaced by new cells in the cycle of life and living -- old cells die and new cells take their place (with the exception of certain brain cells). Apparently, the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden was the source of man's "eternality" before the fall. After the fall, the Lord drove man from the Garden and prevented him from having access to the Tree of Life (Gen. 2:9, 3:22-24). My understand of the Bible message of Salvation is that Jesus Christ, by virtue of His sinless death on the Cross and subsequent resurrection from the dead, opened up the way to the "Tree of Life" (compare Rev. 2:7, 22:2,14); and as a result, whoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life (John 3:16). In summary, I don't believe the scripture supports the position that there was no "physical" death before "the fall". Blessings! |
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7 | help w/eph 3:20 | Eph 3:20 | 10ECPreacher | 200336 | ||
Amen, Doc! Acts 1:8 "but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; ..." Rom 15:19 "in the power of signs and wonders, in the power of the Spirit; ..." 1 Cor 2:4 "and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power," Eph 3:16 "that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner man," |
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8 | Is God ONE or is God THREE? | James 2:19 | 10ECPreacher | 37605 | ||
Greetings yet again, fellow Tim! In discussions like these, it behooves us to articulate our positions precisely and concisely. I think some of your misunderstanding of my position is due to the fact that I haven't stated it clearly enough. Sorry about that. I refer to the term "Son" as the body or house of God. (John 1:14 -- the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us.) I agree that Jesus is fully God, not just a man inhabited by God's Spirit; but He also was fully man. I think the misunderstanding involves your statement "Then, before the death of the cross, the Spirit of God leaves the body of Jesus." I don't believe that the Spirit of God remained in Jesus after He died, and I know that the Spirit of God did not die. Jesus died as a man; Jesus raised His dead body from the grave as God. This shows the dual nature of Jesus Christ. I believe the sacrifice for sins was the Body He prepared--sinless, pure, separate from sinners. The Lamb of God was the Son of God. I would probably say the incarnation of God died on the cross, as opposed to God incarnate. They may mean the same thing, but I do not want to imply that God died on the cross. If God dies, we're all in trouble. :) I must hurry off, but I shall return and make sure that I haven't mislead you again. Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |
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9 | Is God ONE or is God THREE? | James 2:19 | 10ECPreacher | 37601 | ||
Greetings again, fellow Tim! Thank you for your gracious words. 1) I believe that God manifested Himself in human form in the OT (some call this a theophany). That does not mean that He was not still an eternal, invisible, infinite Spirit, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent. So I see no problem with the Lord presenting Himself to men in human form for a special purpose and yet retaining His existence as a Spirit that fills all space. 2) I believe that the "other Counsellor" is the Spirit of Truth, or the Holy Spirit, which is indeed the Spirit of Christ. The difference was in the fact that after His death, burial, resurrection and ascension, His Spirit would no longer merely be with them, but it would be in them. Once Jesus Christ was resurrected from mortality to immortality and the perishable body became imperishable, then the gift of the Holy Spirit was made available to all men as the earnest of our inheritance--eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. The "allos" difference is referring to the fact that the body of Christ had not yet been glorified; it was at that time mortal and perishable. After His resurrection He had a glorified body, and then eternality became available to humanity through the gift of the Holy Spirit. I trust that I have been clear. If not, please advise and I will try again. Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |
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10 | Is God ONE or is God THREE? | James 2:19 | 10ECPreacher | 37592 | ||
Greetings, fellow Tim. I cannot speak in defense of modalism, because I know very little about it. I have only lately been dubbed a "modalist", and I didn't agree to the charge; I said if the apostles were modalists, then I am one, too. (A little sarcasm was intended there... :) ) I probably have given some of these definitions before, but here they are again, anyway. Father: the invisible, infinite eternal Spirit; always refers to God as a spirit being; the term implies source and origination, and ultimately the source of power underlying all acts attributed to Deity; Son: the visible, finite body of God; here humanity and deity are combined in a perfect union--Son of Man, fully man, perfect man, very man; and Son of God, fully God, perfect God, very God; theologically, the Son is Christ--the anointed of Yah, the long anticipated Coming One; the Son possessed a dual nature, and sometimes He spoke and acted as a man, while at other times He spoke and acted as God; the Son is the incarnation of the Word (which is another term for God--the Logos, mind, logic, intelligence, plan, schema, purpose of God); the purpose of the Son is propitiation, redemption, reconciliation and intercession--to die on the cross as the Lamb of God and then to serve as our High Priest in Heaven itself; the Son is both the sacrifice and the savior, the gift and the giver; He is the passover and the deliverer, the sin offering and the scapegoat; He is the spiritual root and the natural offspring of David; I believe the term Son of God actually means the Body of God, or the personification of God; Holy Spirit: the aspect of the spirit of God as it is given to men to assist, aid, comfort, succour, and defend; after the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of the Son, the Holy Spirit (i.e., the spirit of the holy God) works with earthbound humanity in regeneration, and serves us as a guide; the Holy Spirit is indeed the Spirit of Christ, as we know that "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself"; I believe in the absolute Deity of Jesus Christ, and I do not see three persons in the Godhead in the scripture. I don't agree with the Gnostic teaching you referred to, and I don't know enough about modalism to address it. I do not believe the "God" aspect of the Son died; the Son died in that the "body" died. But Jesus said previously, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up." The humanity of the Son died, and the Diety part of the Son raised that body from the grave. Jesus said, "I am in the Father and the Father is in me." Speaking as a man, He existed in the sphere of humanity which is "in" God (the Father) who is omnipresent, i.e., His Spirit exists everywhere. The eternal, invisible Spirit of God (the Father) also was in the Son. If I have not been sufficiently clear, please advise. Thank you. Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |
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11 | Is God ONE or is God THREE? | James 2:19 | 10ECPreacher | 37507 | ||
Greetings, believer57. You have consistently avoided answering the points that I have made that unequivocally show the untenable nature of your position. I just went back through this thread to make sure that my memory was serving me correctly. Instead of making slanderous statements about you, I choose to believe that you simply cannot answer these questions. Instead of doing something silly like posting a scoreboard, I am content to let things be. However it begins to appear that you are ignoring what I have written and are simply jumping from pillar to post to keep from being pinned down. I challenge you, my friend, to reread my previous post of 2/28/02 with an "open" mind. Please do not take anything I have written as a personal affront to you. (If this is what you are calling theatrics, then I'm sorry... I don't know how else to convey my sentiments. I'm not trying to come across as a bully.) You state that I am not "correct" in my theology. If you cannot substantiate that claim with scripture, then you have libeled me. If you can substantiate that claim with scripture, then I will gladly declare to this forum that you have shown by scripture that my theology was not correct. Your opinion does not determine what theology is correct or incorrect. The only "opinion" that is authoritative is that of the scripture. You state: "Sabellian was rightly labeled a heretic by people who knew scripture better than you or I, (and they were pre-Nicene creed)." It amazes me how you can make a judgment about how well I know the scriptures. It is perfectly fine for you to say these folks knew the scriptures better than you, because you have a fair assessment of how well you know the scriptures. The fact that you have no qualms about making assertions concerning things about which you have no certain knowledge causes me to have grave misgivings concerning your ability to accurately reason at an extremely analytical level. As to the writings of the ante-Nicene "Fathers", it is obvious that the trinitarian doctrine, though formally accepted at the Council of Nice, 325AD, was being formulated for many years before that. However, a careful study of the scripture shows that no such doctrine existed in the days of the apostles. If I am to be labeled a heretic for merely believing what the Apostles taught, then you will be forced to label the Apostles as heretics. You state: "We must adhere to the Word of God, and how the Holy Ghost reveals it to us." If this means I will be required to accept post-Apostolic writings as superior to Apostolic writings, then I cannot agree. I contend that the Holy Ghost will not make someone say something different or better than what the Apostles said. You write: "Of course you adhere to the teaching of men, (Sabellian). You can do better that, can't you?" Indeed I can. I don't think I have ever even read any writings of Sabellius; if I have, I can't recall. I have read about him. But I don't preach a doctrine founded by Sabellius; I preach a doctrine founded by the Apostles and Prophets, with Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone. You speak of 'those who choose to "spiritualize" text.' I guess there are many differences of opinion as to where "spiritualizing" is permissible and where it isn't. You write: "According to your theology, the Father suffered on the cross, (Patriapassianism)." This is as bold a prevarication as I have ever seen. According to my theology, the Father is Spirit. The Father was in the Son, and the Son was in the Father. The Son suffered on the cross, yielded up the spirit of the Father that was in Him, and died. It is impossible for God the Eternal Spirit (the Father) to die. You speak of "accusations of personal attacks". Friend, the proof is in the posts! I have never attacked you or your character. You, on the other hand, have consistently made false accusations against me, libeled my character, and made all sorts of unsupported claims about my motives, my past, and my knowledge. You wrote: '"The Lord said unto my Lord..." Did I miss your response to that one?' The 110th Psalm is clearly a prophecy of the coming Messiah. This prophetic utterance merely foretells the fact that the Messiah (Christ, the Son) will be the Father's instrument of salvation and judgment. I'm not sure what your question is all about here. If you cannot understand the dual nature of Christ (both humanity and deity) then this scripture will remain a mystery to you. Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |
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12 | Is God ONE or is God THREE? | James 2:19 | 10ECPreacher | 37489 | ||
Greetings, John Reformed. You are indeed correct--Father, son and husband are titles that define relationships. And they would never be mistaken for a proper name. This is essentially the way I understand the terms Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These are "titles" that show Divine relationships, purpose and function; but the name of God is Jesus Christ. I absolutely concur with your statement "It is a mistake in logic to use a name and title interchangeably." Hence, the correct interpretation of the words of Jesus in Matthew 28:19 (baptizing in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost) is given by Peter in Acts 2:38: "be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ". In fact, you have stated the only Biblical doctrine of the Godhead that I have found: God is one in essence, and relates to man in the roles of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Thank you for your refreshing remarks. Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |
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13 | Is God ONE or is God THREE? | James 2:19 | 10ECPreacher | 37485 | ||
Greetings, Lionstrong. In Gen. 1:2 the term "Spirit of God" is used. Now we understand from John 4:24 that God is a spirit, or a spiritual being. I was using the term "spirit of God" in the strict sense of the spirit that is the essence of God. I contend that there is only one "person" in the Deity. The Son is the body of God--the expression of the nature of God in human terms for the purpose of redemption and reconciliation. (See Heb. 1:1-3 and Col. 1:15-20.) Although God the "eternal Spirit" manifested Himself in terms of humanity for the redemption of humanity (John 3:16), I do not believe that the concepts of mere human existence adequately describe His divine interposition into the affairs of humanity. The word "son" to us mortals generally means offspring or natural descendant by virtue of procreation. We do have the figurative use of the word "son", however, employed in our language to mean "the embodiment or personification of". One example from scripture is the nickname given to James and John--they were called "the sons of thunder" (Mark 3:17). The implication is that these brothers were pretty noisy--not that they were conceived in their mother's womb by the mysterious force of thunder. The confusion in this subject comes from the fact that the terms "Father" and "Son" in terms of humanity have a distinct meaning that involves two separate persons. This is the literal "human" meaning of these terms. To us, that is the "natural" meaning of these terms. But we are humans, and God is spirit. So when He uses these terms and applies them to Himself, the meaning of them would be "spiritual" to us. That is, "Father" means source or creator; "Son" means physical, fleshly embodiment of the Father. That is why Jesus could truthfully say "I and Father are one" (John 10:30). And that's how the Son could be called "the Eternal Father" in Isaiah 9:6. Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |
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14 | Is God ONE or is God THREE? | James 2:19 | 10ECPreacher | 37442 | ||
Greetings, believer57/David. If the Bible is absolutly (sic) perfect and without error, then why am I a heretic for saying I believe everything the Bible says? Simply because I refuse to subscribe to teachings of men who in my opinion have no more authority to lay down foundational doctrines than did Adolf Hitler I am not even worth being kind to. Your version of "Christianity" is different than mine, that's for sure! :) I am striving to not be offensive to you, my friend, or to anyone else on this forum. Since you hold the popular, traditional view, you can afford to dispense with such courtesies, it seems. If you have interpreted my unwillingness to engage in personal attacks as retreat, then you have deceived yourself. I have responded to scriptural points that were logical. Questions that are foolish and create strife I am admonished to avoid. Rest assured of this one thing: I have not retreated, nor am I defeated. You are the one who still has questions to answer, my friend. If you don't choose to, that doesn't mean I win. It may just mean that you can't. Please try not to be so bitter against me. Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |
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15 | Is God ONE or is God THREE? | James 2:19 | 10ECPreacher | 37337 | ||
Greetings, Lionstrong. I believe the Father was talking to John, the baptizer. I believe the Father was speaking of Christ--the fleshly tabernacle or body that housed the spirit of God. I believe both terms (Son of God and Son of Man) could have been intended by the use of the word "Son". So much for my speculation... :) I would be interested in your opinion on this point. Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |
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16 | Is God ONE or is God THREE? | James 2:19 | 10ECPreacher | 37336 | ||
Greetings, believer57 (the father) and David (the son). Again, I'm disappointed but not surprised at your response. I beseech you to not make this a personal battle. You write (amazingly): "Also, the simple fact that you "nay-say" the teachings of the early church fathers, in itself is a characteristic of a false prophet(Jude 1:8 "...speak evil of dignities.")...is it not..mon ami?" Adolf Hitler was a "dignity" to somebody, but he wasn't one to me. Again, you write (amazingly): "Now, why dont you understand the trinity? Either, I Corinthians 2:14, a demon spirit, or pride. You were probably tought this non-sence when you were a kid and are simply too pridful to consider the truth. It is amazing to me how many cultist will stay in denial just out of pride. When you finally say to God, not my will, but thine be done...thats when the truth will you like a ton of bricks. But you have to deny yourself before you can follow Jesus." I'm almost speechless. Again I think of Stephen, being chewed on by men who could not resist the wisdom with which he spoke. ("If you can't attack the argument, just go ahead and attack the man.") Again, you write (amazingly): "Lastly, as far as the salvation of a modalist is concerned, thats not my job, but I can tell you that your skating on thin ice." How do you know that? Again, I'm flabbergasted! There are many things that could be said about me and many things that could be said about you. But those things are not important when it comes to discussing the Bible. I am weary of painstakingly answering your questions only to have my answers casually brushed aside or improperly analyzed. If anyone else cares to take up this thread, be my guest. I repeat my earlier post by saying I harbor no animus for believer57. I truly believe we are at an impasse as far as this discussion goes. I will be happy to respond to logical and thoughtful analysis of my previous posts. I do not feel it is an effective use of this forum to have to repeat the statements that I made in the beginning of this thread. Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher P.S. When researching the meaning of "huios", consider the "Sons of thunder", the "Son of consolation", the "sons of wrath", etc., etc. "It always helps to open your mind before trying put something in it." :) |
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17 | Is Salvation only through Jesus Christ? | Acts 4:12 | 10ECPreacher | 37265 | ||
Greetings, Johnny. In addition to the other very excellent answers to your question, I would add this. After the sacrifice of the Lamb of God on the cross at Calvary, there is no longer any efficacy in the blood of animals--which was what Israel used under the Law of Moses in the Old Testament. I think the book of Hebrews sheds a fair amount of light on this topic. "For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near. ... For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. ... He takes away the first in order to establish the second. ... Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; ... For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, ... Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?" [Hebrews 10 NASB] Salvation is available today to anyone who will accept the gospel of Jesus Christ--Jews included. The covenant God made with Abraham is still in force through Christ. Christ descended from Abraham in the flesh. Everyone who is born of Christ becomes a descendant of Abraham by faith, and thus heirs of the covenant. "and he [Abraham] received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified;" [Romans 4:11-13 NASB] Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |
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18 | Is God ONE or is God THREE? | James 2:19 | 10ECPreacher | 37133 | ||
Greetings, Prove All Things. 'Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?"' [John 14:9 NASB] Jesus said that when you have seen Him you have seen the Father. I cannot say that when you have seen me you have seen my wife. :) Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |
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19 | Is Salvation only through Jesus Christ? | Acts 4:12 | 10ECPreacher | 37066 | ||
Greetings, Johnny. I was specifically referring to the present day--i.e., the time after the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ. My question asked "Can salvation be attained...?" That means "is it now possible to be saved any other way than through Jesus Christ?" I agree that God is sovereign, but the Bible tells us that God cannot lie. (See Titus 1:2.) Therefore, it is reasonable to expect that He will not operate in a manner that is incompatible with what has been written in His Word. 'And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned."' [Mark 16:15-16 NASB] 'And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them, "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able."' [Luke 13:23-24 NASB] "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it." [Matt. 7:13-14 NASB] "For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? AND IF IT IS WITH DIFFICULTY THAT THE RIGHTEOUS IS SAVED, WHAT WILL BECOME OF THE GODLESS MAN AND THE SINNER?" [1 Pet. 4:17-18 NASB] Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |
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20 | Is God ONE or is God THREE? | James 2:19 | 10ECPreacher | 37027 | ||
Greetings, believer57. I am very disappointed but not surprised by your latest post. I will gladly entertain discussions about the Bible, but I reject post-apostolic writings as the basis for doctrines. That this is considered heretical is fatuous. I have submitted many answers and questions, sincerely seeking dialog, only to be brushed aside with a specious post that looks suspiciously like a convenient smokescreen behind which someone afraid of the truth may hide. You said: 'We have pointed out scripture after scripture that disproves this "Oneness" heresy, but it is obvious that you are not listening.' Au contraire, mon ami. I have attempted to respond to every significant point you raised. As of yet, you have not deigned to answer my responses. Surely if you have "truth" it will not crumble so easily before such "heresy". By the way, "heresy" is defined as: "a belief opposed to authoritative opinion in any area of thought". The only authoritative opinion relative to scripture that I submit to with respect to the formulation of doctrine is that of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. I harbor no personal animus for you, sir. Addressing me as "pastor" (i.e., the word pastor enclosed in quotation marks, implying that I'm not really a pastor) may give you personal gratification, but it does nothing to support your claims, and the attempt to vilify me is fairly obvious to me. But I forgive you. :) If I may suggest without offense to you, please attempt to answer the points that I have raised in my previous posts to you. Failure to do so is tacit admission of inability to do so, I'm afraid. Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |
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