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1 | homosexuality | Lev 20:13 | nicko715 | 199058 | ||
I'll start with the other thread first: I don't see anything about a repentant heart in there. Micah has one, but that is all I see. I might be overlooking something though. That being said, remember that every knee will bow to the Lord and every tongue will confess (Is 45:23, Rom 14:11, Phil 2:10-11). Is that not sign of a repentant heart? Now for the next thread. I don't see how God warned Adam and Eve. He told them they would die, yes. Even if we assume that means a spiritual death, there is no mention of anything else. What a great missed opportunity to warn someone. I mean, if you are going to warn a person why be so vague? What about Cain? God jumps all over Cain, but doesn't tell him what will happen if he dies without repenting? Cain complains that his punishment is too tough and God "helps" him out a bit. Oh, if Cain only knew what his real punishment would be. Val, please, just ask yourself if it is possible that we have been looking at this whole thing wrong. The proofs are actually simple once one is ready to receive them. But when one is only concerned with "defending" their beliefs they will not listen even if one were raised from the dead. You never answered that Apocolypto question, by the way. :) Nick |
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2 | homosexuality | Lev 20:13 | nicko715 | 199057 | ||
I'll just put the response together with the other one so we only have one thread. Nick |
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3 | How do you find the right church? | Matt 4:4 | nicko715 | 199045 | ||
Hello Barb, My original message said to find a church that demonstrated love. I don't know if you got a chance to read it or not. For some reason it is not showing up anymore. Anyway my sister, Jesus said that that is how people would know that you are His disciples (John 13:34-35). Always look for love. May God be with you, Nick |
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4 | homosexuality | Lev 20:13 | nicko715 | 199043 | ||
Hello Val, As I mentioned before, I must be careful of how I word things. I will try to answer the best way and still keep this available for you to see. Val, I very slow to say that our Creator is not being fair. Mainly because Romans 9 tells us that I don't have that right. However, I try to understand Him in light of how He describes Himself in Scripture. He does say that He is not a respecter of persons and that we should not be either. He does say that He is not willing that any should perish. He does say that He sent His Son because He loves the world. All that being said...if he had warned them would they have turned? I don't know, I can't say what they would have done. But wouldn't the chances be greater of them turning? I mean surely the odds would be higher of repentance if you are warned of the consequence right? If the chances are not any higher, then why do we warn them today? My friend, we have grossly misinterpreted what Jesus was teaching. GROSSLY misinterpreted. Let me ask you two questions that I will use later. First, do you have any children? Second, have you seen the movie Apocolypto? If you do not want to answer the first because of any security issue, I understand. Thank you for your sincerity, Nick |
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5 | homosexuality | Lev 20:13 | nicko715 | 199041 | ||
Hello Val, Good to hear from you again. What you say about the religious leaders is accurate. But that is still not quite why Jesus was always so upset with them. What upset Jesus so much was that they were supposed to understand God the most (as they were the most learned), but they did not understand Him. They honored Him with their lips, but their hearts were far from Him. They knew the Scriptures...but they missed the point. They did not see that God was a God of mercy and compassion. What they saw was a God of rules and regulations. Val, they missed it. You know how I harp on "I desire mercy not sacrifice" and the two greatest commandments. The Pharisees could not see this. It was the other commandments, it was the sacrifices and rituals and theology that was important to them. I agree with you that we should be very careful how we handle the Word of God. But, my friend, what is the Word of God teaching us...mercy and love or rules and doctrines? Micah 7:18-19 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger forever, because he delighteth in mercy. He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea. And yes you are correct. There are many good religious leaders today. We do discern them by lining it up with Scripture. But don't think for a moment that the Pharisees couldn't back up their theology. Interesting that you point to Acts 17:11. Do a little reasoning with me for a moment...the believers in Berea were more noble because they checked the Scriptures to see if what Paul was saying was true. Paul was there around the mid 50's. The Gospels were just starting to get written if at all, so the only Scriptures the Bereans had was the OT. So, stay with me now, if Paul came teaching ___ (better not say, but you know), where would the noble Bereans have been able to verify that in Scripture? I will also shortly respond to your other note. Thank you Val. As I have said before, I believe the love of God radiates from within you. Nick |
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6 | devotion | Phil 3:8 | nicko715 | 199008 | ||
Well said Doc. I was going to try to add to it, but it was really just repeating what you said. Nick |
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7 | homosexuality | Lev 20:13 | nicko715 | 198975 | ||
Brad, My friend, I understand why what I say disturbs the people here. As you request, I will not try to proof text, etc. However, let me ask you to consider something. When Jesus walked among us 2000 years ago, did He line up with the Orthodoxy? You see Brad, He appeared to go against law and the traditions. He tells them that "you have been told..., but I tell you ...". He breaks the commandments and works on the Sabbath and then basically says that He is more important that those rules. The Orthodoxy taught that He would come to rule the world and establish a throne. Well they misunderstood that. The Scripture clearly teaches that, but He didn't set up any kingdom that they were looking for. He set up the Kingdom of God within our hearts. The point is this. Would we have spent our time correcting Jesus and telling Him to line up with the Orthodoxy or would we have recognized Him for who He was? If the Pharisees could have been so wrong, why is it not possible that we have veered way off course as well? Nick |
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8 | homosexuality | Lev 20:13 | nicko715 | 198956 | ||
Thank You, Nick |
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9 | homosexuality | Lev 20:13 | nicko715 | 198947 | ||
Hey Doc, I added a note to Val's portion of the thread. If you would, please read and give me your thoughts. Look, I know I probably won't convince you of anything. I won't even try. To be honest, I doubt you will convince me of anything either. We can all use the Bible to justify our beliefs whether right or wrong. We even did it with slavery (that's got to blow your mind). But if you will look and attempt to help me, I promise I will humbly listen and consider your response. Thank You, Nick |
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10 | homosexuality | Lev 20:13 | nicko715 | 198946 | ||
Hello Val, I see that my responses are being edited. I will try to keep my notes such that they will not be edited so that you can read them. I assume you have read my profile, so you know that I believe the basics of the Christian faith. There is one obvious difference though. However, I don't think that believing that some will be lost is an essential, just what must be done to be saved. Anyway, I was raised in a Christian home. "Accepted" Christ as my saviour at 5, but most definitely decided to follow Him rather than my own selfish desires when I was 21. However, I determined I would not base my faith on what I have been taught (by well meaning people) but rather on what I found to be true. Basically, I wouldn't take anyone's word for it. Similar to what you have said. I started to struggle with certain questions and for years basically resigned myself to "I don't know, but I am sure God will be just". As the years went on, I finally stumbled on what seemed to answer ALL of those questions. I still verified all that I learned to make sure Scripture supported it. Most of my fellow believers do not buy what I show them. I only associate with one other person who believes like me (though some are somewhere in the middle) and I taught him. I say all that to let you know, I wasn't raised in a cult or get caught up with some Branch Davidians or something, and I am always willing to be taught (or at least I try to be, but we often spend more time defending what we believe than listening to what others are saying). I have rambled on long enough. I have one question for you that I want you to help me with. At first I wanted to ask you to help see things my way. However, I now ask with a humble heart for you to help me with this. This is something that I cannot seem to find an answer for or rationalize in light of a loving Creator. Why does God not warn anyone of hell in the OT? This means that for at least 4000 years He does not warn us of what is in store. Why would He not tell us? The only reference that seems close is Daniel 12:2 and that is about 500BC so even if we allow this, He went 3500 years with not warning (that I see). This is one of the things that just does not add up to me. I have asked others, but I have not received from anyone an answer that will settle it for me. Again, I started to ask that to point you in my direction. But I now ask it with a humble heart to better understand. Nick |
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11 | homosexuality | Lev 20:13 | nicko715 | 198924 | ||
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12 | homosexuality | Lev 20:13 | nicko715 | 198917 | ||
Hello John, Thanks for your response. I will respond to you by email because we are heading for debate on this. I began to defend my beliefs in my email to Doc, but my intent was not to debate universalism, but that leading one to Christ was important regardless. I will email you personally later today. Nick |
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13 | homosexuality | Lev 20:13 | nicko715 | 198906 | ||
Hello Doc, I don't see Jesus pointing out a particular sin to any of these people...Pilate maybe, but I think that is a stretch. - The lady at well, he mentions facts from her life, but not once tells (much less tries to prove) that it is sin - The paralytic, he doesn't mention one sin - The adulterous woman, he doesn't bring up the adultery the Pharisees (religious leaders again) bring it up. He says he doesn't condemn her and tells her to "sin no more" just like he did with the paralytic. - Not sure what sin he proved to the magistrate - Chorazon, Bethsaida, and Capernaum are not people so it would apply anyway. However, he still points out no individual sin. He just points out that they are sinners. Which is what I have suggested. - Herod, not realy sure how this verse applies - Pilate is the closest thing I see here. Anyway, this is getting us nowhere. The homosexual man has plenty of sin in his life, you don't have to attack any individual sin. His whole life is sin just like yours or mine before we were saved. You don't have to try to prove to him that this, in particular, is sin. Lastly, I didn't say he is saved, but he will indeed one day be saved (Rom 5:18). The point of converting people to Christ is not to save them from torture but to conform them to the image of Christ (Rom 8:29). I tell people about Jesus not to get them out of hell, but that they may return the love that has been bestowed upon them (1 John 4:18-19). This is why the criticism is not a logical fallacy ;) (I had to look that up as well as a couple from your earlier notes!) Nick |
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14 | homosexuality | Lev 20:13 | nicko715 | 198891 | ||
Steve, I didn't say you shouldn't tell him that he is a sinner. In fact I said to show him how we all are. But trying to prove to him with Scripture that homosexuality is a sin is a waste of time. He is a sinner regardless. There is no reason to focus on one sin that he is going to fight you on anyway. We can worry about that once he has turned to Jesus. You say I didn't back it up with Scripture, but I can't prove a negative. There isn't Scripture (that I have found) where Jesus or any of His disciples tried to convince an unbeliever that something they were doing was a sin. I will most definitely rethink that if you will show it to me in Scripture. The point isn't to shy away from sin either. But we worry about sin amongst ourselves. We help correct our brothers. The idea isn't to get him to stop homosexuality anyway, it is to turn him to Jesus. Let's get him to become a brother first, then we will start working on the individual sins. As far as my dislike of theology...the religious leaders of Jesus' day knew the Bible inside and out, but they somehow seemed to miss the entire point. They were more concerned with their rituals, rules, traditions, and commandments than they were on love and mercy. What makes you think the religious leaders of today are any different? Your brother, Nick PS - never read or heard anything Joel Osteen has said/written. |
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15 | Question about Abraham and Isaac | Genesis | nicko715 | 198886 | ||
Hello Loyal, Back in chapter 20, Sarah tells Abraham to basically get rid of Hagar and Ishmael. Not only that, but he was to write Ishmael off as an heir (21:10). So technically he was of Abraham, but he was left fatherless. As far as anyone was concerned, Ishmael had no father and therefore no part in the inheritance. That is my take on it anyway! Nick |
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16 | homosexuality | Lev 20:13 | nicko715 | 198877 | ||
Hellos Steve, I appreciate your response. However, I fail to see anywhere where Jesus pointed out someone's sin to them. The only people He corrected and rebuked (that I can find) are the religious leaders of His time and His disciples. Homosexuality is wrong. We both agree there. But even if he wasn't a homosexual, he is still a fallen man in need of Christ. Why keep Bible thumping the guy? Teach him of who Jesus is and what He came to do which is rescue sinners. Show him that every man is a sinner and every man needs Christ. Nick |
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17 | Is Universalism Scriptural | Lev 16:34 | nicko715 | 198806 | ||
Val, Thank you for your response. No, there is not a particular passage with which I would like to start. Obviously I am a Universalist. I do believe Jesus is the Son of God and died for our sins and God raised him up and that He is the only way we are made right with God. I just believe...let's just say differently about the end of it all. At this point, it will obviously just spur on debate, which Doc has kindly (and correctly) pointed out to me is not the point of the forum, so I will not bring up any further verses. If you would like to see why I think the Scriptures teach universalism or would like to share with me why you believe it does not, just email me (in profile). Thank you again. Nick |
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18 | Is Universalism Scriptural | Lev 16:34 | nicko715 | 198774 | ||
Doc, I must admit, you have me on that first one. I did ask the question and you did provide the answer. However, about "not interested in orthodox interpretations", what I mean is that there are plenty of "Biblical theologies" out there. If Martin Luther had cared only about the Catholic interpretation we wouldn't have Protestants. Calvin didn't care about the Armenianest traditions, etc. To go one step further, Jesus didn't really care about the traditions of the Pharisees which were the learned men in the Jewish tradition. So what I mean to say about "not interested" is that just because it has been taught that way for awhile doesn't mean it is right. Secondly, I am not trying to be argumentative with my question. I brought it up because in that string there was "discussion" over Armenianism and Calvinism, but both sides made it clear that Universalism wasn't scriptural. All three sides have scripture to support them (even if out of context) so why is Universalism dismissed so easily? Finally, I do not mean to upset anyone or stir up trouble (though to be honest, saying God will reconcile all often has that effect). Thank you for your response. I see from your profile that you attempt to help many with their questions and have done so with me as well. If I offended I apologize. Nick |
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19 | Is Universalism Scriptural | Lev 16:34 | nicko715 | 198768 | ||
Hello CDBJ, Thank you for your response. I spent the majority of my 33 years saying basically what you have just said. However, many of the inconsistencies in that reasoning gnawed at me. For example, you mention the life raft to a drowning man analogy. After refusing "all" possible attempts, the ship must sail on. God doesn't exhaust "all" possible attempts. He blinded Saul/Paul and spoke in an audible voice to him. If He did that to others, would they not follow Him? He is in absolute control of Satan and will even bind him for a thousand years. If He did that right now, how many more would follow Him? How about a child born to a Muslim family. They spend their entire life being taught something contrary to Scripture and get maybe one chance to hear an American tell them of Christ and this is exhausting "all" possible attempts? These are the type of inconsistencies that kept confusing me. Or for another example from your email, you said God "can't possibly" help anyone that doesn't rely "totally" on Jesus Christ for their eternal life...or it would make Him a liar. The first problem is saying "God can't". That is pretty much a contradiction of God. God is all powerful, there is nothing He can't do! Secondly, God makes the rules. He isn't so shortsighted that He made a rule that now He is required to uphold or else become a liar. I mean, He isn't saying "oh man, I really don't want them to burn forever, but now I have to let them because those are the rules I put in place." He isn't that easily fooled. Again, this just doesn't hold up rationally. And finally, if God is truly a God of love (and I think we all agree there), then at the bear minimum why could He not just extinguish those who reject Him? Why does He decide to torture them forever? How can those two ideas be said to coexist logically. These are some of the questions I struggled with. What do you think about the questions I asked myself (and now ask you)? Thank you for your time, Nick |
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20 | Seeking God | Bible general Archive 4 | nicko715 | 198734 | ||
Azure, I apologize if I inferred that they were not important. However, the Pharisees had devotions, prayed, were probably baptized, tithed, fasted, etc. They had all the rituals down. But Jesus (Mark 7.1-8) let them know that all their rituals were worthless because their hearts were far from Him, and that they were more concerned with traditions than the commandment of God (remember the top two He gave us). So basically we are on the same page, but I apparently misworded my intent. These other things are important, but not without the greatest two commandments. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Nick |
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