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1 | Is truth relative? How do we know it? | John 8:32 | Bill Mc | 20432 | ||
How do we know when we are are taught the truth? There are many different denominations and they all claim to be right. There are many different guides on this forum and they all claim to be right. All these denominations and forum guides have scripture to back up their views. But they frequently do not agree. Jesus promised us that we would know it. So how do we know the truth? Many (not all) Baptists would say you've got to be immersed during baptism. Catholics and Methodists would say that sprinking is fine. Pentecostals would say that you need to be baptized in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Conservatives would say that those gifts have passed away. One church says you can't have musical instruments. Another says its fine. One church says you have to worship on Saturday. One says you need to worship on Sunday. One church says you need to confess your sins publicly. Another says that open confession is not necessary. One church says that anyone can partake of communion during the Lord's Supper. Another says that you can only if you are a member of that church. One church says they believe in the free will of man. Another says they believe that God is completely sovereign and man has no choice in the matter. Once church says you can't have female pastors. Another says that there is no male and female in Christ so it's OK. One church says that the Christian is no longer under Law. Another says that Christ in us enables us to fulfill the Law as He did. One church says that your salvation is secure because it comes from God. Another says you can, at some point, reject it and fall away. So how do you KNOW that we are being taught truth? Everyone - churches, denominations, pastors, forum guides have certain scriptures to back up their view. EVERYONE! So how do you know what the truth is? |
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2 | Joe, how do you know the truth? | Rom 10:17 | Bill Mc | 20424 | ||
To Joe only, please, How do you know if your pastor/minister teaches truth? How do you know if your church holds to the truth? No church or pastor/minister is going to say, "Come and hear false teaching." Everyone in Christendom thinks that they proclaim the truth. Many (not all) Baptist would say you've got to be immersed to be saved. Catholics and Methodists would say the sprinking is fine. Pentecostals would say that you need to be baptized in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Conservatives would say that those gifts have passed away. One church says you can't have musical instruments. Another says its fine. One church says you have to worship on Saturday. One says you need to worship on Sunday. One church says you need to confess your sins publically. Another says that open confession is not necessary. One church says that anyone can partake of communion there. Another says that you can only if you are a member. One church says they believe in the free will of man. Another says they believe that God is completely sovereign and man has no choice in the matter. Once church says you can't have female pastors. Another says that there is no male and female in Christ so it's OK. One church says that the Christian is no under Law. Another says that Christ in us enables us to fulfill the Law as He did. One church says that your salvation is secure because it comes from God. Another says you can, at some point, reject it and fall away. Joe, how do you KNOW that you are being taught truth? Everyone of these churches have certain scriptures to back up their view. EVERYONE! So it is not a matter of the church not following scripture. So how do you know what the truth is? In Christ, Bill Mc |
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3 | Joe, how do you know truth? | Rom 10:17 | Bill Mc | 20401 | ||
Joe, How do you know if your pastor/minister teaches truth? How do you know if your church holds to the truth? No church or pastor/minister is going to say, "Come and hear false teaching." Everyone in Christendom thinks that they proclaim the truth. Many (not all) Baptist would say you've got to be immersed to be saved. Catholics and Methodists would say the sprinking is fine. Pentecostals would say that you need to be baptized in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Conservatives would say that those gifts have passed away. One church says you can't have musical instruments. Another says its fine. One church says you have to worship on Saturday. One says you need to worship on Sunday. One church says you need to confess your sins publically. Another says that open confession is not necessary. One church says that anyone can partake of communion there. Another says that you can only if you are a member. One church says they believe in the free will of man. Another says they believe that God is completely sovereign and man has no choice in the matter. Once church says you can't have female pastors. Another says that there is no male and female in Christ so it's OK. One church says that the Christian is no under Law. Another says that Christ in us enables us to fulfill the Law as He did. One church says that your salvation is secure because it comes from God. Another says you can, at some point, reject it and fall away. Joe, how do you KNOW that you are being taught truth? Everyone of these churches have certain scriptures to back up their view. EVERYONE! So it is not a matter of the church not following scripture. So how do you know what the truth is? In Christ, Bill Mc |
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4 | Joe, is your reasoning not circular? | Rom 10:17 | Bill Mc | 20348 | ||
Dear Joe, I wasn't defending the Mormons peeing at all. I agree with you 100 percent that God works internally thru His Word as well as externally through others to teach us His Word. I have no problem with that assertion at all. I never said that it wasn't important. I said that it was not absolutely necessary, it is not essential, it is not a requirement. It is 'icing on the cake.' And, again, in order to make a determination of whether you are being taught 'sound' doctrine from another human being, one would do well to first study the doctrines directly from the Word relying on the Holy Spirit's illumination and one would do well to know something about the human being doing the teaching. If you have a problem trusting the Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth, then your problem is with Him, Joe, not with me. I believe what He says. It is a process. And truth is embodied in Jesus Christ. Yes, Joe, 'the external teaching of others HELPS hold us to sound doctrine as we biblically evaluate what is said.' But to do so, we must have a plumb line. How do you know whether what is said is sound, brother? Just because it is taught? You frequently remind me that you feel that all that I know is what I have been taught by those from DTS. If that were true, which it is not (I grew up in NY), then you would have no right, sir, to question my beliefs because I would have been doing EXACTLY what you are insisting here. I would have been sitting under the external teaching of people who claim, right or wrong, to be teaching the truth of God's Word. Joe, you can't have it both ways, brother. You can't criticize me (or you shouldn't) for believing a certain way BECAUSE of what I have been taught and then turn around and say that EXTERNAL teaching is just as viable as what the Holy Spirit does? There has got to be a plumb line somewhere, Joe. For me, it is God's Word. Yes, there is a dynamic. But, if forced to choose, I would rather trust the Holy Spirit then men. Fortunately, brother, I don't often have to make that choice. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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5 | Joe, is your reasoning not circular? | Rom 10:17 | Bill Mc | 20349 | ||
Dear Joe, I wasn't defending the Mormons peeing at all. I agree with you 100 percent that God works internally thru His Word as well as externally through others to teach us His Word. I have no problem with that assertion at all. I never said that it wasn't important. I said that it was not absolutely necessary, it is not essential, it is not a requirement. It is 'icing on the cake.' And, again, in order to make a determination of whether you are being taught 'sound' doctrine from another human being, one would do well to first study the doctrines directly from the Word relying on the Holy Spirit's illumination and one would do well to know something about the human being doing the teaching. If you have a problem trusting the Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth, then your problem is with Him, Joe, not with me. I believe what He says. It is a process. And truth is embodied in Jesus Christ. Yes, Joe, 'the external teaching of others HELPS hold us to sound doctrine as we biblically evaluate what is said.' But to do so, we must have a plumb line. How do you know whether what is said is sound, brother? Just because it is taught? You frequently remind me that you feel that all that I know is what I have been taught by those from DTS. If that were true, which it is not (I grew up in NY), then you would have no right, sir, to question my beliefs because I would have been doing EXACTLY what you are insisting here. I would have been sitting under the external teaching of people who claim, right or wrong, to be teaching the truth of God's Word. Joe, you can't have it both ways, brother. You can't criticize me (or you shouldn't) for believing a certain way BECAUSE of what I have been taught and then turn around and say that EXTERNAL teaching is just as viable as what the Holy Spirit does? There has got to be a plumb line somewhere, Joe. For me, it is God's Word. Yes, there is a dynamic. But, if forced to choose, I would rather trust the Holy Spirit then men. Fortunately, brother, I don't often have to make that choice. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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6 | What is the account we will give? | Rom 14:12 | Bill Mc | 20234 | ||
Dear forum members, What do you think that this passages means? The blood of Christ deals with the believer's sins but what kind of an 'account' is Paul refering to here? In Christ, Bill Mc |
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7 | Is job security being threatened here? | Lev 16:34 | Bill Mc | 20232 | ||
Dear kalos, Sounds like someone's 'job security' is being threatened here, doesn't it? Do we really have to resort to drawing an analogy between a 'sola scriptura' attitude and the start of a cult? They re-wrote the Bible. Did I ever once suggest that? To even imply that someone with just a Bible and no supplemental material is the sure way to a cult is ludicrous. You missed my point entirely, kalos. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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8 | Sir Pent, are you C or A? | Bible general Archive 1 | Bill Mc | 20212 | ||
Dear Sir, Thanks for your responses. One last question if I may: Are you of the Calvinist or Armenian persuasion? Or do you even claim to be one or the other? Thanks, Bill Mc |
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9 | Do all TEACHERS teach the truth? | Lev 16:34 | Bill Mc | 20198 | ||
Dear kalos, Thanks for the response but it was not an answer. Why? How do you know whether or not these TEACHERS are teaching the truth? Do we trust everyone who is a TEACHER? Do all TEACHERS teach the same? I think not. If I sat under Joe's teaching for a year and then sat under Tim's teaching for a year, how would I know which line of thinking is the truth? We all know that their are false TEACHERS amongst us (in the organized church). Not everyone who teaches, should be teaching. So how do you make the determination of who is 'given by God' and who is not? In Christ, Bill Mc |
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10 | Joe, is the Bible not sufficienct? | Lev 16:34 | Bill Mc | 20191 | ||
Dear Joe, You write: 'Saying "all I need is me and my Bible" doesn't work, either, because most of what we hold regarding the Holy Scriptures was taught to us by others...' Are you saying that if a person knew how to read and all that he had was the Bible, that it would not be enough for him to arrive at a saving faith? If so, that is a pretty strong statement, even for you. Granted, most all of us sit under someone's teaching. But how do you know if it is valid teaching or not? The Bible. I do believe that all that is necessary in a humble soul, the Bible, and the Holy Spirit of God. In fact, I would recommend that any new Christian avoid sitting under anyone's teaching for at least a year so that only he and the Holy Spirit can spend time learning what God's Word says and means before having it filtered through someone else. I don't know about you, but I have no desire to chew someone else's food to get my nourishment. God promised me that he would lead me into all truth through His Word. Right or wrong, I trust Him to do so. Commentaries are exactly that - 'com'ments from 'men', nothing more, nothing less. I recently tried to discuss an issue with my pastor and all he wanted to do is read from his commentary. I said, "Pastor, why can't we just stick with God's Word and let the Holy Spirit and other scripture interpret this passage." "Oh, this commentary explains it very well," he replied. Made me what to puke. Commentaries have their place AFTER God's Word, not before it or alongside it. What do you think? Does one truly require more than the Bible and the Holy Spirit to know truth? In Christ, Bill Mc |
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11 | Searcher, what translation do you use? | Rom 5:8 | Bill Mc | 20056 | ||
Searcher, Could I ask what translation you are using? All of mine, NASB, NIV, NKJV, interlinear, have the word 'not' and in none of them is it in italics. Also, if you see my other posts on 'Is the Christian under the Mosaic Law?', you will see many other verses that agree with Gal 5:18. What translation are you using, brother? In Christ, Bill Mc |
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12 | Are Christians under the Mosaic law? | John 1:17 | Bill Mc | 19841 | ||
Dear forum readers, This should be a fairly easy question. Is the Christian still under the Mosaic Law? I am interested to see what the general consensus of this forum is. John 1:17 - For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Hebrews 7: 18,19 - The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. Hebrews 8:13 - By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear. Hebrews 10:1 - The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. Romans 3:20 - Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. 1 Timothy 1:8,9 - We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that law is made not for the righteous... Galatians 3:19,24 - What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Galatians 2:16,21 - know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!" Galatians 3:11 - Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." Romans 7:10 - I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 1 Corinthians 15:56 - The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. Romans 7:5,7a,8b - For when we were controlled by the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For apart from law, sin is dead. Galatians 3:10 - All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Romans 10:4 - Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. Galatians 3:13 - Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." Romans 8:3,4 - For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Galatians 3:24,25 - So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law Romans 6:14 - For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. Romans 7:6 - But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Galatians 3:1-3 - You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? Galatians 1:6-8 - I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel -- which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! Galatians 5:18 - But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. Galatians 2:19 - For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. Galatians 5:1 - It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. Under grace, Bill Mc |
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13 | How is it a law without consequences? | Rom 5:8 | Bill Mc | 19814 | ||
Steve, What does Gal 5:18 mean to you? 'But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.' You yourself said that 'While some people want to categorize them, the Bible does not.' Is the Mosaic Law the exact same as God's moral law? Why would God say that we are no longer under the Law? If your answer is that 'we are no longer under the punishment of the Law' then you are playing loose with the text. Paul was addressing circumcision as a sign of being under the Law. The Judaizers were trying to put the Galatians back under the Law with all its restrictions and rules. So Paul was not talking about JUST the punishment of breaking the Law. My analogy still stands. If there is a law that says, "Do this or die," then you have no right whatsoever to strip away the "or die." God never did. The wages of sin is ALWAYS death. Now either Christ took it for you, or you must take it. You cannot say that God overlooks it. God does no such thing. Every time you sin, Christ took the punishment for that sin upon the cross. So, back to my analogy. If the speed limit says 65 MPH and it is NEVER enforced, then how is it a law? You said that a law is "a rule that was parceled by (I'll substitute 'government' for the sake of illustration) to give me direction, having positive or negative consequences.' So, according to your definition, if there is no negative or positive consequences to going over 65 MPH, then, by your own definition, it is no longer a law. It then becomes merely a principle i.e. you SHOULD to this. But the Law said that you had better to this or else. If you break the Law, you deserve death. Neither you nor I have any right to change the conditions or to attempt to strip the Law of its power. How is a 65 MPH speed limit a law if there is no consequences? In Christ, not under the Law, Bill Mc |
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14 | Joe, I agree with you here. | James 2:10 | Bill Mc | 19347 | ||
Joe, I agree with what you say here. You have stated that the Law itself is not means to attaining a righteousness of our own in addition to or apart from Christ's work on the cross. I agree 100 percent. So why do you and I cross ways? Confused, Bill Mc |
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15 | Joe, who is ya, man? | James 2:10 | Bill Mc | 19324 | ||
Joe, So you would say that you have a 'new self' and also an 'old self'. (My Bible says that my 'old self' the 'old man' was crucified with Christ - Gal 2:20, Rom 6:6) So you are a new creation in Christ - 2 Cor 5:17, but you are still the same old sinner. This would explain much of the reason you are confused, dear brother. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Well, it can for a while, but it will be unstable in all ways. Hmmm...interesting theology. A new creation but still a sinner. A new self but still an old self. Created in righteousness but still striving for it. Under grace but under law. In Adam but also in Christ. A slave to sin but also a slave to righteousness. Given righteousness as a gift but you don't posess it. Psychology would say that you are suffering from split personality disorder. Of course, very little psychology is biblically based. But I would say that the effect is the same. You don't know who YOU are in Christ. Oh, you know who Christ is in you. But you don't know who He has made you. As a stated, my old self, my old man WAS (past tense) crucified with Christ. That old fallen 'in Adam' spirit is dead and gone. He was crucified and buried with Christ 2000 years ago. Then Christ gave me a new spirit created in righteousness and holiness that is permanently joined with Him. Now, granted, my new spirit indwelt by Christ's Spirit lives in the same old body. And it still has to work through my unredeemed soul - mind, will, and emotions. And it still has my 'flesh', my self-sufficiency to deal with. But these things are not ME. They are in the members of my body, but they are not ME - Rom 7:18. Thanks be to God that though I was a slave of sin (I had no choice), I became obedient (past tense) from my heart to that form of teaching that was committed to me (the gospel, Christ in me) and, having been freed from sin (no longer a slave to it, the old sinful self was crucified) I became (past tense) a slave of righteousness...but now that I have been (past tense) freed from sin and now enslaved to God, I derive my benefit (Christ in me, my hope of glory), resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life - Rom 6:17,18,22. Yeehaw! Still a new creation, Bill Mc |
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16 | Where will you get your righteousness? | James 2:10 | Bill Mc | 19316 | ||
Joe, To see what the yoke of slavery is, you need to look back to chapter 4. Paul says in 5:1 'therefore', this means that he is drawing a conclusion from what he has already stated, not from what he is about to state. So what is this yoke of slavery from chapter 4? Gal 4:21 - under law, the law Gal 4:24 - (One covenant) proceeding from Mount Sinai - the Law "It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery." Circumcision is not a yoke of slavery. (Talk about poor exegesis :)) Circumcision is merely a sign that you are under the Old Covenant - the Law. Also, what is it about the death of your body, merely dust, a temple, which will not EVER stand before God, that makes you righteous before God? I agree that we will have a new resurrected, redeemed body when the rapture happens. But what is it about your 'shell', your house, that determines your right-standing before God? Can you cite any scriptures that speak of your body being your source of righteousness? I thought you said the Christ was your source of righteousness? Isn't He in you now? You said in another post that one day you will stand before Him with your own righteousness. How did you attain this? How does the death of your body cause you to be spiritually righteous? If, as you say, your spirit is not righteous now, how does the death of your body make it so? Always curious, Bill Mc |
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17 | Joe, how righteous are you? | Eph 3:6 | Bill Mc | 19122 | ||
Dear Joe, I agree that justification is a legal declaration, but that does not mean that it is not practical or real. You rightly speak of our records of wrong and Christ's record of righteousness switching places. So, in practical terms, I am declared righteous before God. This means that that is how God sees me, right? It would not benefit me in the least if God declared me righteous and then said, "Well, Bill, I've declared you righteous, but you're not really that way. I'm just pretending that you are for legal purposes." God, brother, does not pretend. God does not see something that is not there. God's view is truth. If God declares you righteous, it is because that is how He sees you -righteous. He declares you righteous because that is what He makes you, not because He is pretending. Say that I stand before God guilty of all my sin. God says, "Bill, the wages of sin is death and that is what you deserve. My standard is complete righteousness and you do not meet it. So I sentence you to death and you will be separated from Me forever." Then, from the sidelines, Christ speaks up and says, "Father, because I love Bill, I will take Bill's sentence. You may declare Me guilty in his place and exact his death sentence upon Me...but in return, because I am innocent and righteous, You must declare Bill innocent and righteous." God, being a just Judge, says that that trade is equitable. So Christ takes my sin and punishment and God declares me innocent and righteous. Now, when I leave that chamber, am I innocent and righteous in God's sight? Christ was made to be sin that I might become His righteousness, right? To imply that just because a truth is a legal declaration, that it is not practical is an insult to the judge and jury. If a judge and jury finds that an accused person is not guilty of a crime and they make that pronouncement 'not guilty', then that person is for all purposes, legally, practically, positionally, experientially 'not guilty.' The very reason that the accused is not guilty is because the jury or judge has made that determination. He is pronounced 'not guilty' because that is what he is, not because the judge and jury are pretending or 'just see Him that way.' Can I ask, out of curiosity, how righteous are you, Joe? If, perchance, God called you home right now, only the righteous can enter heaven, right? So how righteous are you right now on Oct 14, 2001? By Bible, not my church, not my pastor, not DTS, not dispensationalism, says that righteousness is a gift - Rom 5:17. Joe, have you received that gift? If you have received it, how can you make yourself more righteous than what Christ has made you? By Bible, not my church, not my pastor, not DTS, not dispensationalism, says that Christ's obedience has made me righteous - Rom 5:19. When does that happen, in your opinion? By Bible, not my church, not my pastor, not DTS, not dispensationalism, says that I have become the righteousness of God in Christ - 2 Cor 5:21. If I am in Christ, then I am what He is. Are you in Him, Joe? If so, how righteous are you? By Bible, not my church, not my pastor, not DTS, not dispensationalism, says that my new self has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth - Eph 4:24. Was your new self (2 Cor 5:17) created this way, Joe, or are you seeking to establish your own righteousness? By Bible, not my church, not my pastor, not DTS, not dispensationalism, says that my righteousness is not from my own works but that I have received it through faith in Christ. It comes FROM God to me, not from me because of my works - Phil 3:9. Joe, if you are not currently righteous, why not? It is a gift, it is free, it comes from Christ (not the Law), He made you that way. Have you received it? Righteous in Christ, Bill Mc |
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18 | Yes, but what happened back then? | Matt 27:46 | Bill Mc | 19053 | ||
Dear Ezekiel, thanks for your reply but despite it, my question was still not answered. I'd like to know why Jesus said this. I agree that it was a fulfillment of the verse in Psalms, but, by its very nature, a fulfillment is a literal in-time occurence of something that is foretold before-hand. In other words, if a prophecy is fulfilled, then it happens just as it was prophesied. So, what is the meaning behind the prophecy? To just state that Christ was fulfilling prophecy in and of itself is circular reasoning. I.e. It was foretold throughout the OT that Messiah would suffer and die. Isaiah 53 is an excellent passage that Christ fulfilled. But Christ did not fulfill Isaiah 53 just to fulfill Isaiah 53. He died to provide reconciliation and forgiveness of sins. So, although I agree that He fulfilled the 'forsaken' prophecy, what actually happened when God forsook Him? That is my question. |
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19 | Please help the ignorant and arrogant... | Matt 27:46 | Bill Mc | 19038 | ||
Then are you both saying that Christ was not separated from His Father? If He was separated from His Father, what does that entail? How did the separation take place? What was the link, is They were separated, that was broken? If God did forsake Him temporarily, what does this mean? What does it mean that God forsook Him if He didn't leave, vacate Christ? I've looked up the word 'forsaken' in my Vines, and it says that it is the strongest form of 'to leave, to abandon.' Any thoughts? | ||||||
20 | Did the Holy Spirit depart from Christ? | Matt 27:46 | Bill Mc | 18923 | ||
Did the Holy Spirit depart from Christ when He was made sin on our behalf? Did He suffer spiritual death (separation from God) on our behalf? Also, do you think the Holy Spirit always indwelt Jesus while He was on earth or did He enter Christ at His baptism? Thanks for your answers. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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