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1 | Women are to be silent? | NT general | YenIsaRap | 218356 | ||
Dear Justme As far as I can see, the scriptures that I posted were not of a cultural nature. Women were not allowed to minister in the Temple, why? God set up the pattern for His service, not the culture. He could have included women at that time if He wanted it to be that way. After all it was in His service, and it still is today. When scripture says that a woman shall not to usurp authority over the man, I take it to mean a Woman was never given Authority the way Man was. As far as denominations not washing feet anymore. Was that ever taught by Jesus as something that should be done? Whereas Paul spoke directly to the question of women's position in the church. Women in ministry in the 19 century, was something that did take place as you say, but we do not know the circumstances surrounding those instances. When you say "When a men does not or won't step up to the Biblical leadership of the church, then should women just say they are helpless and let the evangelism of souls to Christ go undone?" By making that statement you have taken God completely out of the equation. Souls will be won for Christ in His timing, not because woman stepped in, when a man was negligent. God will deal with the man. Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. But a woman saying if I don't do it, it will not get done, is nothing more than PRIDE. In the 21st.. century, there is a difference, when a woman goes to seminary to obtain a licence to Preach. That then becomes an issue of culturally equal rights for women. Do we, or should we let culture (society) dictate to the Church in such matters? Aren't those rights protected by the Constitution, as far as the freedom of religion? Here are some other scriptures which add to my argument, I have posted both to keep a continuity of thought. (context) 1Ti 2:11,12 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 1Ti 2:13,14 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 1Co 11:7-10 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. What was the reason woman was created? Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. We can see right from the beginning, woman was not created equal. Women singing solos, or taking care of the nursery, does not usurp authority, they are beyond the context of Paul's statement. In love, respect and peace, YenIsaRap |
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2 | Women are to be silent? | NT general | justme | 218368 | ||
YenlsaRap: Scripture was always written to people living at the time. We look at what that ment atthe time of the writing, and what was going on at that time. That is History. We then look at the meaning for which this was written. that is application for those at the time of the writting. Why and to whom and what were the circunstances that caused it to be written about. Then we look to seen how that applies to today. This writing of Paus was directed because there was a problem at that time. Women who had little or no education were asking questions that were disrupting the teaching. This caused the teaching to be constantly interrupted. Thus Pauls instruction. That is in many Study Bibles and has been taught in conserative Bible Colleges and Seminaries. I do understand your position and this is not a point of disfellowship in my opinion. I think the time when we are able to see Christ Jesus face to face and after millions of years maybe we might have the time to ask paul what he ment. I dearly love all of you in the Study Bible Forum! I appreciate your love and kind respectful responce, as sometimes tempers get hot and unkindness brakes out. As Christians there are some non debatable areas and we both fully know those. I am so pleased that you took the time to right back. God belss you YenlsaRap. justme |
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3 | Women are to be silent? | NT general | stjohn | 218371 | ||
Dear Justme, If we look carefully at what the text of 1 Timothy is teaching, we find that there is -though it doesn't say exactly- some kind of heresy being taught, and that the actions and attitudes of the Church -in general, not just the woman- are unchristian-like, in thought, and behavior. Because of this, Paul then goes on to give instructions to men and to woman alike on how Christians are supposed to behave in the church. For Paul to be singling out woman to be silent, when he has already cited that men too were promulgating heresy, and acting in an unchristian-like manor, would be at best, incredibly sexes on the part of Paul. And at least (and more importantly) for us to assume what this teaching is proposing to be only for that situation and for that time; adding to the Scriptures what is not found there, no matter whether it be found in extra-biblical material in study Bibles or taught in seminaries. With all do respect for popular opinion, the standard for deducing the truth from Scripture is, the Scriptures themselves. (sola Scriptura) John |
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