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1 | Women are to be silent? | NT general | YenIsaRap | 218356 | ||
Dear Justme As far as I can see, the scriptures that I posted were not of a cultural nature. Women were not allowed to minister in the Temple, why? God set up the pattern for His service, not the culture. He could have included women at that time if He wanted it to be that way. After all it was in His service, and it still is today. When scripture says that a woman shall not to usurp authority over the man, I take it to mean a Woman was never given Authority the way Man was. As far as denominations not washing feet anymore. Was that ever taught by Jesus as something that should be done? Whereas Paul spoke directly to the question of women's position in the church. Women in ministry in the 19 century, was something that did take place as you say, but we do not know the circumstances surrounding those instances. When you say "When a men does not or won't step up to the Biblical leadership of the church, then should women just say they are helpless and let the evangelism of souls to Christ go undone?" By making that statement you have taken God completely out of the equation. Souls will be won for Christ in His timing, not because woman stepped in, when a man was negligent. God will deal with the man. Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. But a woman saying if I don't do it, it will not get done, is nothing more than PRIDE. In the 21st.. century, there is a difference, when a woman goes to seminary to obtain a licence to Preach. That then becomes an issue of culturally equal rights for women. Do we, or should we let culture (society) dictate to the Church in such matters? Aren't those rights protected by the Constitution, as far as the freedom of religion? Here are some other scriptures which add to my argument, I have posted both to keep a continuity of thought. (context) 1Ti 2:11,12 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 1Ti 2:13,14 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 1Co 11:7-10 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. What was the reason woman was created? Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. We can see right from the beginning, woman was not created equal. Women singing solos, or taking care of the nursery, does not usurp authority, they are beyond the context of Paul's statement. In love, respect and peace, YenIsaRap |
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2 | Women are to be silent? | NT general | AWilliamson | 218357 | ||
Dear YenlsaRap, I am in agreement with the church truth set forth clearly by Paul, that women should be silent in church. You have sited a number of references. Men and Women have distinctly different roles in the bible. Thus we have the thought of authority and leadership vested in men, while the idea of submission, care and help is often associated with woman. She was to be a "help fitted for him". His complement - intellectually and in every aspect of his person. There is no thought of inferiority in this God-designed role. Read 1 Corinthians 11 - first few verses. Man is the head of the woman, even as God is head of Christ. Christ is not inequal with God. But Christ came as subject to his Father's will, and completely, wonderfully fulfilled His Role. Neither is their the thought of superiority/inferiority, or inequallity between male/female. God called them "man" (Gen 2) - but there is a difference in roles in God's creation. So while I agree women should not speak in church (1 Cor 14), women should have head-coverings in church gatherings (1 Cor 11). I do not believe that your statement is accurate that "woman was not created equal". In Christ, Andrew PS There are a number of extra-biblical additives that we make in "church-gatherings" - such as one man "ordained" and set over a church, a man with a "licence" to preach, "denominations", "church-heirarchies" etc etc. I think it would be good if we thought about all these things in light of the scriptures alone. Hope this provokes thought with us all! A |
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3 | Women are to be silent? | NT general | YenIsaRap | 218358 | ||
Dear AWilliamson Thank you for the reply. I agree with everything you have stated, sorry if I gave the impression women are inferior. If you have come to that conclusion by my statement "from the beginning, woman was not created equal" I posted that belief because of the scripture I cited. Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. She was created as a help meet for the man. A help meet does not have equality as far as I am concerned. This does not mean he should Lord it over her, but in this context we are talking about husband and wife, not men and women in general. Man on the other hand was created for fellowship with God, but that doesn't make him equal with God does it? Let me ask you then. Has God given authority, and responsibility in the same measure to woman as He has man? Is the woman ever a spiritual covering for the man? When is woman ever put into the position of taking responsibility for man? (brackets are mine) 1Co 11:7-10 7 For a man indeed (ought not to cover his head,) (forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God:) (but the woman is the glory of the man.) 8 (For the man is not of the woman;) (but the woman of the man.) 9 (Neither was the man created for the woman;( (but the woman for the man.) 10 For this cause ought (the woman to have power on her head) (because of the angels.) Andrew I may have misunderstood you, when you wrote. "women should have head-coverings in church gatherings" (1 Cor 11) As you can see, the scripture is not talking about literal head coverings such as Hats. If you disagree please explain the meaning of v.10 You are right about the extra-biblical additives, but it is very difficult to say anything and not use them. We are in agreement God Bless YenIsaRap |
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4 | Women are to be silent? | NT general | AWilliamson | 218394 | ||
Dear YenlsaRap, To base the man/woman relationship upon the God/man relationship is not an accurate comparison. The differences are striking. God made man. Thus he is to worshipped as God because of his creatorship of man (among other things). Man did not make woman, he was not active in the process. (God built the woman from the man). Of course man is not equal with God. Woman was taken from the same substance as man - men were not taken from the same substance as God. Psalm 8, speaking about mankind (generically) states that they were made a little lower than the angels. "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." (Gen 1v27) Man evidently, is invested with representative authority (God's image), notice it then says "male and female created he them" - while the male was to be dominant they were both human - thus equal personally, while distinct positionally. Your questions. Has God given authority, and responsibility in the same measure to woman as He has man? Positionally - no. Federal headship belonged to Adam. (Romans 5 - it was through Adam's disobedience many were constituted sinners). Personally - every one, male and femal are morally responsible to God, a female sinner will be judged for her sin, just as a male sinner will be judged for his sin. Is a woman ever a spiritual covering for the man? No - neither is a man for a woman. See 1 Cor 11. I'll post on this in a seperate note. (on this thread. When is woman ever put into the position of taking responsiblility for man? - Did I not state that they had distinct roles? Women (as well as men) should submit to the clear teaching of the scriptures on these issues. Let the women keep silence in the church. (1 Cor 14, 1 Timothy) In Christ, Andrew |
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