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1 | If not saved and suicide done Lost??? | Bible general Archive 4 | Mikep | 234154 | ||
G Preston you wrote on 10-21-12: "Eternal life is not received until AFTER death. The act of suicide is before death. See St.Luke 9-62....et al. This applies as well to the question of..."once saved always saved". We must not confuse preparation/qualifying/eligibility for eternal life with receiving eternal life." end of post dated 10-21-12 I must disagree with your understanding of the scriptures. The bible teaches that at the moment one believes in Christ they HAVE eternal life, and yes, in this life time. John 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, HAS eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life." Read carefully what is written "..he..who believes...HAS eternal life.." it does not say "will have" as suggesting some future time. I think you're confusing the definition of eternal life as if it were connected with time. This then begs the question, "what is the definition of eternal life?" John 17:3 This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. Eternal life is a relationship with the God of the universe beginning at conversion...in this life time. Read carefully at what is written, particularly in John 3:36, when I posted previously dated 5-25-12: My heart goes out to your friend. In reading your posts you ask earlier if a child of God (saved individual) commits suicide, would he/she go to heaven (my paraphrase of your question) . Consider the following three verses: John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life..." NASB Notice - A believer has "eternal life" Romans 3:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus" Notice - eternal life is a "gift of God" Romans 11:29 "for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." Notice - the gifts...of God are "irrevocable" Conclusion: Once a person has eternal life nothing can reverse that gift, a christian committing suicide will still have still have eternal life with God. I hope this helps? end of previous post dated 5-28-12 My conclusion remains: Eternal life begins at the moment of conversion. Please, though, understand my disagreement with you is given in a spirit of love. Mikep |
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2 | If not saved and suicide done Lost??? | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 234163 | ||
Dear Mike, That was well written, well supported, and entirely correct. I believe, based on the Biblical ordo salutis (order of salvation, see post #151193), the blessing of eternal life must necessarily begin at regeneration (see post #204768). This is something that is subjective rather than objective; i.e., it is something that is done to the Christian, not done by the Christian. A good analogy is that babies do not birth themselves into life, rather conception, growth, and birth are things that babies do without volition. I think what happens with a lot of people is that they confuse scriptural statements of description with statements of prescription. This is an eisegetical method used to support many variations of synergistic soteriologies -- like the works based perspective in the post you addressed. Thank you for joining us in the forum. In Him, Doc |
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