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1 | Harsh Treatment? | Bible general Archive 4 | Inquisitor | 224580 | ||
Beja, My only response would be from God's Word: Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent. 6 But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. From this passage, we learn about a group of people who apparently were in violation to God's Will and His Word. I don't know the details but it's sufficient the name was most certainly not complimentary. Rev 2:19 “I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. 20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. Another report of christians following another person in conflict with God's Word. Nuff said. 1 Cor 1:11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. This passage indicates Paul's own regret in baptizing. What a shameful condition to take place in the Lord's church. 1 Tim 1:18 This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, 19 having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, 20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme. Well I think I could come up with other examples, including those from the OT but I think you get my point. When one gives his life and everything he hopes be to the Lord, sacrificing his all, it's a natural thing for such a child of God to be a little sensitive to this thing as name-calling. Sure we are to take such ridicule and abuse from the world but when a christian comes to this Forum dedicated to Bible study by christians and for christians to use to build up the Lord's church, we naturally think we won't be stuck with labels other than simply christians. I think the scriptures above and all the other examples from the Bible clearly support this position but that of course is just my opinion. What do you think? Still wishing God's richest blessings on you, Inquisitor |
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2 | Harsh Treatment? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 224582 | ||
Inquisitor, I don't understand your post at all unless you are saying the following. 1.) That anybody who accepts a label by that are saying they follow a man other than Jesus. That is rediculous. 2.) All Christians should naturally respond to being given a label as if they are being told that they are not a Christian, which again is rediculous. You ask me what I think. And here is my honest opinion. There are some Christians who spend time discussing matters of theology and some who try to avoid it. Those who try to discuss it by absolute necessity must use titles to refer to different views or the entire process of communication breaks down. Now when those who aren't use to discussing various theological positions happens upon these conversations, sometimes they get deeply offended because they think all these lables are being thrown around out of pure meanness. And it is at times very hard to get them to understand that this is not at all the case. I'll give you a good example. I am a calvinist, I readily admit it. My wife has come to believe the same doctrines which I mean when I say this. However, she's not use to these titles and is slightly offended to be given a title that SOUNDS like it means she is something other than Christian. So in response she has now decided to rename calvinism as biblicism. So now that's how she refers to it. Its from this same sensibility you are expressing. Well, what shall we think of that? Well, in one sense we think, "good for her." However should she come into discussion with other believers and start refering to her "biblicism" either one or two things will happen. One, they will have no clue what she is talking about because nobody knows what a biblicist is! Or the second thing that will happen is that they will automatically assume she is referring to what they themselves believe. Because at the end of the day, we all own the title of biblicist in our own mind don't we? We all believe that what we think is the "biblical" view point. So just simply saying we all believe scripture does not communicate. We can't discuss with terms we all define with our own meaning. So what we need are terms that freely and openly communicate what I personally believe scripture teaches. It is a necessity of communication, nothing more. In Christ, Beja |
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3 | Harsh Treatment? | Bible general Archive 4 | Inquisitor | 224585 | ||
Beja, I too believe in being a philosopher and discuss Bible all day long. But I'm thinking the scriptures (and History) I provided proves that people don't like labels when we're encouraged by God to wear His name and show His Word through our lives. I noticed your post didn't really address any of the scriptures as referenced in my post. How can one argue against them? Jesus says we're either for Him or against Him... Luke 11:23 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters. Yes, as I mentioned above I too am a philosopher but I'm thinking we should only pilosophize (sp?) on those items as optional in the Bible. There are a few things in the NT (much fewer than in the OT) that should not be up for debate. As I understand these verses, our Lord doesn't like to see name-calling used in any regard, especially when we re-read the 1 Corinthian letter. We should not place an undue amount of value on any one person's opinion (including mine BTW) but instead Christ is to get ALL the preeminence. Colossians 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. I can imagine since you've argued so passionately for your position that you're not going to change your way of thinking, at least not easily. I'm just hoping to give you some "food for thought," hopefully from the Lord. God bless you, Inquisitor |
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4 | Harsh Treatment? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 224586 | ||
Inquisitor, I didn't respond to your verses because I had no idea what you were trying to show by them. If anything the verses you used thoroughly established my view! For did not Christ himself give their errant doctrine a name? I can only come to one of two conclusions. Either you intend to argue against something regardless of whether it is what anybody is saying which is called a strawman arguement, or you completely don't understand my view I'm trying to express. Here are some things you are speaking against as if we are taking the opposite view when nobody, including myself would disagree with you. 1.) You say that nobody should regard a particular mans's teaching above scripture. Nobody is arguing that a person should! When I say that I am a Calvinist I do not mean by that that I am an ardent follower of John Calvin. There are several things that Calvin says which I believe he is dead wrong about. He believed in and tought infant baptism and I think he's dead wrong. I am not a follower of John Calvin. BUT the particular five doctrines that have come to be termed today as Calvinism, those I do believe and I believe them only because I believe they are clearly taught by scripture, not because John Calvin happened to teach them. When I say I am a calvinist it is not declaring myself as a follower of John Calvin but rather a simple way in one word to express my affirmation that those particular five doctrines are actually taught in scripture as true. It really seems, as I said, either you don't know what I mean when I say that, or you intend to argue against a strawman position which nobody is defending. 2.) You keep insisting scripture is against name calling. Nobody thinks scripture is for it! We are not at all suggesting that scripture is in favor of insulting or calling people derrogatory phrases at all. That you think we are defending such a position makes me think once again, either you don't at all understand what I'm saying or you intend to argue against this strawman position which nobody is defending. So let me offer this. I agree that we should not say mean things to each other, and I agree that we should exclusively follow the teachings of scripture and not those of any man who is teaching something contrary. Does that bring us into agreement? In Christ, Beja |
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5 | Harsh Treatment? | Bible general Archive 4 | Inquisitor | 224588 | ||
Quoted from Beja: So let me offer this. I agree that we should not say mean things to each other, and I agree that we should exclusively follow the teachings of scripture and not those of any man who is teaching something contrary. I think I can live with that. Thanks for your patience. And as always, God's blessings on you, Inquisitor |
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