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1 | Confused? | Bible general Archive 3 | DocTrinsograce | 192305 | ||
Dear MJH, Let's not just leave Jesus as a teacher! He fulfills the Law, too (Matthew 5:17; Hebrews 10:3-12). You wrote, "...or adding to the laws..." So, when Christ said, "A new commandment I give to you..." (John 13:34a ESV) He didn't really give a new commandment? Do you say this because of Leviticus 19:18? In Him, Doc |
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2 | Confused? | Bible general Archive 3 | MJH | 192309 | ||
Doc, Yes, Jesus is the living fulfillment of the Torah. You are correct that he is much more than a teacher. When I wrote that Jesus did not add to the laws, I had in mind first and foremost the command in Deut. 12:32 that says, "See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it." But yes, Lev 19:18 is relevant as well. Jesus is obviously alluding to this commandment. It is new in as much as it is Jesus himself, the Messiah, who tells us that to love ones neighbor as oneself is fulfilled by loving as he as loved. Love for oneself can be unhealthy at times and loving ones neighbor as oneself is a very open ended command. Jesus is putting a finer point on this command by saying, "I have showed you how to love and you being my disciples should do likewise." And of course his love was sacrificial, servant like, and absolute. It's new in the sense that we have a new picture to relate the command of love to, but it is not new in that the Torah did not already command us to love our neighbors. Of course if Jesus did add a totally new commandment, he would have broken a commandment nullifying his ability to be the unblemished perfect sacrifice for our sins. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to flesh out that statement in my pervious post. I was wondering if someone might catch that… MJH |
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3 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | Searcher56 | 192317 | ||
Say we say He is fulfillment of the Torah, because it was incomplete. But the Torah/OT is still needed, tho the OT sacrifices have been replaced by His sacrifice (Heb 9-10)? | ||||||
4 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | Jesusman | 192318 | ||
Short answer is yes. Long answer is that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ finalized the need for any further sacrifices. The author of Hebrews makes it abundantly clear in chapter 10 that the sacrificing of animals is drastically inferior to the one made by Christ on the cross. Jesusman |
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5 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | skccab | 192323 | ||
Jesusman, What do we do with the terms "forever," "continual," "perpetual" when God designated the feasts and offerings (in especially Leviticus)? The Bible says that God knows the ending from the beginning so why didn't he specify 'do this till Messiah comes'? But, even knowing, He said "forever." Heb. 13:8 says God is the same, yeaterday, today and forever. Is that the same forever as in the Torah? Mat. 28:20 Yeshua said "I am with you always, even unto the end of the world." Is that the same forever as in the Torah? Or does "forever" mean different things? Cheri |
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6 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | Jesusman | 192325 | ||
Ok .. think of it in this way. The pentateuch is the Constitution. Jesus Christ came along and gave us the Amendmant. | ||||||
7 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | skccab | 192326 | ||
Thanks for the response, Jesusman, and your answer seems reasonable but even with an amendment, doesn't forever still mean forever? If I missed it, please, bring to my attention, but I don't recall anywhere where Yeshua stated not to observe the feasts, fasts and holidays? (Granted, once the Temple was destroyed the sacrificial system had to stop because the Temple was the place God Himself had designated as the place to perform such offerings.) But I don't recall where we are told NOT to observe the days that God told His people to observe forever. :-) Cheri |
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8 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | srbaegon | 192327 | ||
Hello Cheri, I would turn here. Gal 2:14 (ESV) But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, "If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?" Paul's point is that Gentiles should never be asked to live under any part of the Mosaic Law as that was given to the Jews. Steve |
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9 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | skccab | 192338 | ||
Morning Steve, Thanks for the response. I read Galatians over the weekend and my understanding is that it was talking about a group of born-Jews (not practicing Jews) who were just trying to stir up trouble (and doing a decent job of it). The verse you quoted does say that Gentiles don't HAVE to, but doesn't say NOT to - so we're still working with the terms forever, perpetual, permanent etc (used in different Bible versions as available in e-Sword). Don't get me wrong, Steve, I'm not trying to spur an argument, I really am having trouble reconciling these ideas. And right now, I'm really struggling with the "forever" things. Still learning :-) Cheri |
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10 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | srbaegon | 192339 | ||
Hello Cheri, The theme of Galatians is: Why would Gentiles want to obey the Law? It's unnecessary, and you place a burden on yourself that not even the children of Israel could bear. The eternal aspect of these things is in Christ himself. He came to fulfill and is the fulfillment of the Law. Steve |
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11 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | skccab | 192340 | ||
Hiya Steve, I don't feel that it is a burden and the "Law" that the Jews couldn't bear was all the traditional oral additions that the elders kept throwing into it. Yeshua said this, too. Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitudes and to his disciples, Mat 23:2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses seat: Mat 23:3 all things therefore whatsoever they bid you, these do and observe: but do not ye after their works; for they say, and do not. Mat 23:4 Yea, they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with their finger. Mat 23:5 But all their works they do to be seen of men: for they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, So what do we do with the above verses, especially the one where Yeshua tells us to "do and observe" these things? The original Torah as recorded in the Books of Moses show me a God full of care and concern for His people (and even included those called strangers in their land). These the Jews "chose" not to obey. :-) Cheri |
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12 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | srbaegon | 192341 | ||
Hello Cheri, I understand what the scribes and Pharisees had done. My quote was from Acts 15:10. Believers from the party of the Pharisees were wanting Gentiles to be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses. Paul opposed the idea--not the oral traditions but the Law itself. As for Matt 23:1-5, Jesus was speaking to Jews, not Gentiles. I fully agree with what you say about the Torah. People think the God of the OT is angry and hostile. A thorough reading displays grace, mercy, steadfast love, and long-suffering beyond measure. Steve |
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13 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | skccab | 192344 | ||
Yes, Steve, thank you. :-) Cheri |
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