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1 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128755 | ||
Perhaps you are right. Like I said, I am not the one who believes this. However, consider also II Macc.10 as well about the triumphant purification and rededication of the Jerusalem Temple by Simon Maccabeus after it had been defiled by Antiochus Epiphanes. Also, keep in mind that Jesus seems to be deliberately setting up a literal fulfillment of Zech 9:9. If we say this is an historical account, one could argue that Jesus was showing a 'messianic consciousness' and trying to make sure he fulfilled this because the people (perhaps) thought that it had already been fulfilled. He wanted to be the fulfillment of the IT ideas that has developed in order to demonstrate that he was the Christ. Also, another problem is the Johannine account of this incident clearly specifies that the association of Jesus's entry into Jerusalem with Zech 9:9 was something that occurred in the minds of Jesus's disciples only after his crucifixion/resurrection. John quotes or paraphrases a only a partial version of Zechariah, mentioning only half of the parallelism, and he also eliminates the disciples' role. Another problem here is that the translators of the Septuagint apparently missed the parallelism between Donkey and foal in Zechariah 9 and instead pictured two animals--a donkey and a foal. This translation of in the LXX becomes significant because Matthew used it as a prooftext (used in the nice way) in Matthew 21:2-7, but says that Jesus sends two disciples to fetch a donkey AND a foal 'to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet.' It is also interesting that Mark did not make this mistake, yet Matthew did. Do you see what I am saying? The NT authors (and Jesus) were using a pesher method to make Jesus fulfill these IT ideas of the Messiah. Zechariah 9 was never intended to do this. |
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2 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | srbaegon | 128814 | ||
Hello chesed, OK, I just finished reading 2 Macc. 10--it's not there either. Yes, Jesus is setting up a literal fulfillment--because he IS the literal fulfillment. PERHAPS the people thought it had already been fulfilled?! Is your whole theology just conjecture? Whether or not the disciples understood right away has nothing to do with the matter. The people present recognized what was happening and celebrated Jesus as the one who would be king. Matthew made a mistake? Excuse me?! Do you realize that, in making this claim, you have just called God's word into question? What arrogance, sir! The actual fulfillment was being accomplished. There was no "method" beyond this. Steve |
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3 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128850 | ||
Hi Steve, I think we have differing views on Inspiration. Sometimes people make mistakes (eg. Heb.9:3-4). I know that the Word of God is inspired. That is enough for me. It is obvious though that sometimes there are mistakes that are made. To explain these away (don't bother doing this with Heb.9- I know the argument) or to overlook them is just not honest. Does everyone here believe in verbal, plenary inspiration? chesed |
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4 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | srbaegon | 128898 | ||
Hello chesed, "Does everyone here believe in verbal, plenary inspiration?" I cannot speak for everyone, but those taking the strongest objections to your postings most certainly do. Steve |
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