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1 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128708 | ||
That is why Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment, my friend. By the way, I said "most scholars" and not "I" believe that it was Simon. On the other hand, Simon did do what Zechariah 9 says, as recorded in I Macc 13. I certainly agree with you that he was NEVER as good as Jesus. Praise God for that! | ||||||
2 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | srbaegon | 128741 | ||
Hello chesed, We have a problem here. I just finished reading 1 Macc 13 and there is no mention of Simon riding a donkey. And I didn't say Simon was as good as Jesus. I said Simon was not as good as the prophecy, so that it couldn't be about him. Steve |
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3 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128755 | ||
Perhaps you are right. Like I said, I am not the one who believes this. However, consider also II Macc.10 as well about the triumphant purification and rededication of the Jerusalem Temple by Simon Maccabeus after it had been defiled by Antiochus Epiphanes. Also, keep in mind that Jesus seems to be deliberately setting up a literal fulfillment of Zech 9:9. If we say this is an historical account, one could argue that Jesus was showing a 'messianic consciousness' and trying to make sure he fulfilled this because the people (perhaps) thought that it had already been fulfilled. He wanted to be the fulfillment of the IT ideas that has developed in order to demonstrate that he was the Christ. Also, another problem is the Johannine account of this incident clearly specifies that the association of Jesus's entry into Jerusalem with Zech 9:9 was something that occurred in the minds of Jesus's disciples only after his crucifixion/resurrection. John quotes or paraphrases a only a partial version of Zechariah, mentioning only half of the parallelism, and he also eliminates the disciples' role. Another problem here is that the translators of the Septuagint apparently missed the parallelism between Donkey and foal in Zechariah 9 and instead pictured two animals--a donkey and a foal. This translation of in the LXX becomes significant because Matthew used it as a prooftext (used in the nice way) in Matthew 21:2-7, but says that Jesus sends two disciples to fetch a donkey AND a foal 'to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet.' It is also interesting that Mark did not make this mistake, yet Matthew did. Do you see what I am saying? The NT authors (and Jesus) were using a pesher method to make Jesus fulfill these IT ideas of the Messiah. Zechariah 9 was never intended to do this. |
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4 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 128767 | ||
chesed, I think everyone can agree that Jesus was not only "showing' but actually had a "Messianic consciousness" because He is the Messiah and so it should be not great surprise that He would fulfill Messianic prophecies. Zechariah 9 :9-17, is obviously a Messianic prophecy. I am not sure that the use of the phrase "to make Jesus fulfill these" is a felicitous choice of words. In any case, I think everyone had made their points and positions clear. We are not required to debate until one party is converted by the other. Perhaps we could all move on to another area of discussion? Please! Everyone! Emmaus |
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5 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128768 | ||
That would be fine with me... :-) | ||||||