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1 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | BradK | 128625 | ||
chesed, A couple points you make definitely could use some clarification, i.e. scriptural support:-) 1. "A lot of the things that we consider "messianic prophesy" in the OT are not." Could you provide some specific examples? 2. "The first legitimate one that I can think of would be Isa. 53...and who really understood what that was talking about until Jesus fulfilled it?" On what basis would you support this? Christology of the OT goes back to Gen. 3:15- the Protoevangelium. Numerous other OT books contain Messianic Prophesies as well. (cf Hengstenberg- Christology of the Old Testament). As a suggestion I would recommend (if you haven't done so already) read and study Hebrews 11. "By Faith" is the key word, my friend. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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2 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128626 | ||
Hello BradK..nice to meet you :) in answer to your questions, I simply disagree. I may have got off on the wrong foot here in this forum- I didn't intend for this. Anyway, here are my thoughts: You have to remember that most of the OT Christology that we seem to have come up with is not only read in to the OT, but is contrary to the OT message. The whole time, Yahweh is trying to show Israel that there is only one God, not two or three (Deut. 6:1 etc). Why would he be telling them two opposite messages: "I am the only real God, but there is also another God, who, by the way, is the same person as me, but not exactly. Oh yeah- there is one more- the Holy Spirit..but we will get to him in a few hundred years." That just wouldn't work for Israel. The OT is Monotheistic. As far as Gen 3:15 goes, I can't see any way that is talking about Jesus. Just because it was in "The Passion" doesn't make it true. There is not even one place in the NT where a writer makes a connection between that verse and Jesus Christ. Like I said, we read those things back into the OT...but they are not really there. Hengstenberg was simply reacting to those who were against the idea of prophesy and miracles, etc. I think he tried a bit too hard to make his point. Don't get me wrong, I believe in prophesy and miracles...but I don't like to make up extra Messianic prophesies when they are not required. chesed |
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3 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 128630 | ||
Yes, chesed, the OT is monotheistic. But so, my friend, is the NT! Not only is God the Son referred to in Scripture as early as Genesis 3:15, but He was also active in creation. See John 1:1-3; Col. 1:16; Heb 1:2. Moreover, God the Holy Spirit is specifically mentioned in the second verse of the Bible, in Genesis 1:2. There's no waiting around for a few hundred years, as you say, for revelation of the Trinity. ..... Speaking of "getting off on the wrong foot, perhaps you may wish to consider asking more questions and giving fewer answers until such time as you can give some of your doctrines, such as Christology, time to age a bit. --Hank | ||||||
4 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128632 | ||
Pardon me, is this not a discussion forum? Does everyone have to agree? Are there people here who are the ultimate authority, or are we all equal? I am not trying to be rude here, but this is the impression I have received. Like I have said before, I just don't agree with a trinitarian view of the OT. I DO BELIEVE in the trinity because I have read about it in the NT. You will not find it the OT unless you bend the scriptures, which I am very much against. There was a trinity, yes, but God wasn't pressing the revelation of it to people who already were struggling with polytheism. Have you ever tried to exlain the trinity to someone from Africa? They simply say that the trinity are three gods- simple as that. The same reaction would have been given by Israel. |
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5 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | srbaegon | 128635 | ||
Hello chesed, So it appears you are saying that God simply did not yet reveal himself as a triune being in the OT but waited to do so in the NT. Is that basically it? Steve |
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6 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128639 | ||
Yes, that is it. :) That is exactly it. |
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