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1 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 128606 | ||
Greetings Chesed! I believe that Hebrews 11:39-40 answers your question to Ed! Heb. 11:39 - "These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. 40 God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect." The entire chapter makes it clear that we all come to Christ through faith. We come after the cross by faith. The OT saints came prior to the cross by faith. But, all come through faith in Christ. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | BradK | 128615 | ||
Chesed, Without duplicating what EdB and Tim have stated to you, the OT saints were saved the same way we are- by faith in Christ! Heb. 11:13 "All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth." If that was not the case, how could Christ state in John 8:56, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." Clearly, the forefathers (patriarchs) looked to Christ by faith. The truth of 1 Cor. 5:7 is applicable to both the OT and NT, "...we walk by faith, not sight". Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128629 | ||
Hi BK, John 8:56, IMO, is about Abrham rejoicing at the birth of his son, in whom "all nations would be blessed." Eventually, as you know, Jesus would come from Isaac, thus, he was rejoicing in Jesus through Isaac. I will give you the common interpretation of God revealing his plan to Abraham in visions- that is a possibility, but very unlikely. A third interpretation, if you don't agree with mine, is that Abraham upon death gained the heavenly perspective of God's plan, and from paradise saw everything and rejoiced. Heb.11:13 is in reference to receiving God's Promised Land. Read the next 3 verses that follow. Again, you are reading Jesus Christ into the OT. chesed |
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4 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | srbaegon | 128631 | ||
Hello chesed, It's not hard to read Jesus Christ into the Old Testament since the NT writers do it as well. :-) Matthew 1:22-23 (ESV) All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: [23] "Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel" (which means, God with us). Matthew 2:3-6 (ESV) When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him; [4] and assembling all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. [5] They told him, "In Bethlehem of Judea, for so it is written by the prophet: [6] 'And you, O Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for from you shall come a ruler who will shepherd my people Israel.'" Matthew 2:15 (ESV) This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, "Out of Egypt I called my son." Matthew 4:13-16 (ESV) And leaving Nazareth he went and lived in Capernaum by the sea, in the territory of Zebulun and Naphtali, [14] so that what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: [15] "The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles— [16] the people dwelling in darkness have seen a great light, and for those dwelling in the region and shadow of death, on them a light has dawned." Jesus says the OT speaks of him: Luke 22:37 (ESV) For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors.' For what is written about me has its fulfillment." Luke 24:25-27 (ESV) And he said to them, "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! [26] Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?" [27] And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself. I can give more if you like. Steve |
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5 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128636 | ||
Thanks, Steve..I know all of those. I used to believe the very things you are presenting. Is it wrong for me to disagree with you? You know very well that none of those OT 'messianic prophesies' said anything about Jesus in their original context. This is simply a typological interpretation given by the gospel writers. There is nothing wrong with that...but it is not what the OT verses were talking about. It was not hard for Jesus to begin with Moses and all the prophets and apply those scriptures to himself. He was the 'prophet like Moses,' the Suffering Servant, etc. Plus, Jesus was a 1st century Jew- that was a common hermenuetical method. What I am saying is that in my actual study of Isa.7-9, Hosea 11, Micah 5, etc in context, they say nothing about Jesus Christ. Isa 53 I give you. Amen to that! chesed |
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6 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | srbaegon | 128647 | ||
Hello chesed, As Hank stated, what you purport is quite controversial. If at any time, you would like to communicate about it privately, you can e-mail me at srbricker@hotmail.com. And any of those wanting to jump into a private communication are welcome. :-) And yes, you can disagree. I have two difficulties with calling these simply typological interpretation: 1) Several of the OT passages attributed to Christ were clearly Messianic and the people acted accordingly. For instance: Matthew 21:6-9 (ESV) The disciples went and did as Jesus had directed them. [7] They brought the donkey and the colt and put on them their cloaks, and he sat on them. [8] Most of the crowd spread their cloaks on the road, and others cut branches from the trees and spread them on the road. [9] And the crowds that went before him and that followed him were shouting, "Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna in the highest!" The crowd understood the symbolism of Jesus' actions. The prophet had declared that the future king would ride into town on a donkey, and the crowd acknowledged this as fulfillment. 2) There were those who didn't even believe on him who knew how the prophesies were to be fulfilled: Matthew 2:3-6 (ESV) When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him; [4] and assembling all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. [5] They told him, "In Bethlehem of Judea, for so it is written by the prophet: [6] " 'And you, O Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for from you shall come a ruler who will shepherd my people Israel.'" Your statement: "Plus, Jesus was a 1st century Jew- that was a common hermenuetical method." I'm not sure of your meaning here. Lastly, my question to you would be: Must a prophecy give the name of a person before it can rightly be applied to him/her? Steve |
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7 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128649 | ||
Hey Steve...I am not sure if you would prefer I answer here or by email, so I will just ask before I post. | ||||||
8 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | srbaegon | 128673 | ||
Hello chesed, Go ahead and answer here for now. It's not like you are being belligerent with your view. Steve |
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