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1 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128599 | ||
EdB, I respectfully disagree with you here. Could you please give an example of How Adam, Noah, Abraham, etc. could have possibly had a saving faith in Jesus Christ? As for the pagan Gentiles, I believe that this concept of paganism was not as foreign to God's chosen people as you may like to think. Israel struggled with paganism and polytheism all the way up until Babylonian captivity. with love, chesed |
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2 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 128601 | ||
chesed I'm not sure where all of this is going. Jesus said no one comes to the Father but by me. I think that pretty much says it all. Either you believed in need for Messiah to secure your righteousness before Jesus and believe in Jesus after Him or you don't have salvation. In any case those that died before Christ that had died looking for the Messiah to purchase their salvation went to Hades to the side called Abraham's Bosom ‘Luke 16:19-31’ There they remained until Jesus died and went there for them ‘Ephesians 4:8’ and lead the captivity captive taking them to heaven., they heard Jesus preach ‘1 Peter 3:19’ the Good News as He was the fulfillment of what they sought and as I said above Jesus then lead them to heaven. However their entrance into heaven was through nothing except the belief in Jesus. The unrighteous that died looking to make themselves acceptable to God remain in Hades on the Hot dry side where they will remain until the resurrection of the Dead, they will then be judged and cast into the Lake of Fire Rev 20:11-15. Now if you have a different idea perhaps you will provide scripture to support it. Without scripture is in nothing by opinion and everyone has one but all are not right. EdB |
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3 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | chesed | 128628 | ||
EdB, Well I sure do understand and appreciate where you are coming from now...because of your interpretation of Lk.16 and Eph.4 and 1 Pet.3 you must conclude that the OT people at some point had to learn and believe that Jesus died for them in order to make it into heaven. Where I am coming from is this: God offered Israel grace and truth in the OT. They were saved and forgiven just as we are today, IN LIGHT OF Jesus' death. Yes, Jesus is the REASON they were forgiven. (forgive me, I don't see any itallic options, so I will capitalize). However, they did not understand this fully. I have a difficult time believing that they OT people simply lived in misery and guilt their whole lives, always feeling that they were unrighteous and unforgiven because the messiah had not yet come to give them forgiveness. This is simply not true, as you know. chesed |
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4 | Christians before Jesus came | Bible general Archive 2 | JBG | 128634 | ||
Hey, Joel here, I just read all this, and it's great. Chesed, this is where sacrifice comes in. Obviously, before Christ came, sin existed. The only way to be reconciled with God was for a blood sacrifice to be made. This is what God established for the forgivness of sins. In the same way that Christians today ask forgivness for our sins through Christ, the perfect and final lamb, the Isrealites would bring sacrifices to the priests to present to God so that they may be forgiven. They could be made forgiven and live righteous before God if they, in faith, obeyed His commands. Therefore they no longer lived in misery and guilt. They lived forgiven and lived to obey the law that God established. And, if they lived with a belief in the law I believe that they lived with a faith in the coming Messiah because Jesus said that He came to fulfil the law. One thing, the problem with this sacrifice of lambs is that only the high priest could a direct relationship with God. Even though people could be forgiven and live righteous lives they could not come into the presence of God. And, God wanted to have relationship with all (more than just His people the Irealites as Peter descovers in Acts). So, God sends Christ and you know the rest. |
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