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1 | John:30-33 Manna | Josh 16:1 | Ray | 66999 | ||
Hi graceful, I think that the passage goes beyond giving God credit for the manna rather than Moses. I think that this is a place where Jesus makes another claim of Deity. Not only is He the Giver, but He is the gift, the Bread. Not only is He the Son of Joseph, He is the Son of God. The people knew that the manna came from heaven and not from Moses. Moses did not give any "wrong impression" as has been said in another thread concerning the striking of the rock for water by Moses. Psalm 78:24, "And (He) rained down manna upon them to eat, And gave them food from heaven. Man did eat the bread of angels; He sent them food [Lit. grain] in abundance." Exodus 16:4, "Then the Lord said to Moses, "Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a day's portion every day, and I may test them, whether or not they will walk in My/ instruction." Exodus 16:32, "Then Moses said, "This is the thing which the Lord/ has commanded, 'Let an omerful of it be kept throughout your generations, that they may see the bread that I fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you out of the land of Egypt.' And Moses said to Aaron, "Take a jar and put an omerful of manna in it, and place it before the (Lord), to be kept throughout your generations." As the Lord commanded Moses, so Aaron placed it before the Testimony, to be kept." See Exodus 25:16, 21 and Exodus 36:13 for the bread of the Presence [NASB], or the showbread, NKJ. Jesus was talking of His presence in the Bread of life. He was spiritualizing the bread and was claiming to be the Bread of life. John 6:33, "For the Bread of God/ is He who comes down out of heaven and gives life to the world." John 6:31, "He/ gave them Bread out of heaven to eat." John 6:48, "I/ am the Bread of life." John 6:42, "And they were saying, "Is this not Jesus/ the *Son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does He now say, "(I) have come down out of heaven?" John 6:46, "Not that any man has seen the (Father), except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father." So in regards to John 6:32, I believe that the Lockman Foundation could look at that more closely and consider that perhaps that gives the wrong impression. The NASB gives the idea that "it is not Moses" but "it is My Father" who gives the bread. But actually it should stress a contrast between the manna and the true Bread. Most assuredly Moses did not give the Bread from heaven; he was just a man and the manna was just food. But Jesus, the Son of Man, gave His flesh as living Bread. See John 6:52, NKJ. John 6:58, "This is the *Bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate, and died, he who eats this Bread shall live forever." So I should not have said "Moses gave them manna to eat" but rather, "the fathers were given manna to eat". From the heart, Ray |
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2 | John:30-33 Manna | Josh 16:1 | gracefull | 67069 | ||
Thank you Ray, I agree with your interpretation of John 30. It is indeed Jesus revealing his diety. I figured you did not mean the statemnet you made thus wanted to bring it to your attention. I agree that the peole 'knew' manna came frm heaven. But I believe their carnal thinking was suerior or predominant over their theological knowledge. Israel (as all of us tend to do) had a history of looking to men. For instance 1 Samual 8:4-7 Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. And said to him,"You are old and your sons do not follow your ways; apoint for us then a king to govern us. Vs 7 And the Lord said to Samuel, "Listen to the voice of the people in all that they say to you; for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them.Just as they have done to me, from the day I brought them up out of Egypt to this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so also they are doing to you." Jesus revealed the desire of their hearts, food, and then is informing them that he has something much more important to offer, himself. The teaching of Jesus as God come down from heaven as manna to feed them eternal life is the essence. I just like to look not only at the teaching but at who Jesus is teaching. God bless. |
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