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1 | John:30-33 Manna | Josh 16:1 | Ray | 66969 | ||
Hi graceful, Allow me to type out the passage in Matthew to compare it to John. Matthew 6:29, "Yet (I) say to you, v.33, "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." 7:11, "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, HOW MUCH MORE shall your Father/ who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him?" Luke 12:23, "For life is more than food, and the body than clothing. Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap, and they have no sotreroom nor barn; and yet God/ feeds them; HOW MUCH MORE valuable you are than the birds."...v.27, "Consider the lilies, how they grow; they neither toil nor spin; but I tell you..." John 6:32, "Truly (I) say to you,...v.33, "For the bread [Bread] of God/ is that [He] who comes down out of heaven and gives life to the world." These passages show that Jesus is speaking for the Father. He is saying that the work of God is that you believe in Him, for God sent Him. John 6:57, "As the living Father sent Me, and I/ live because of the Father, so he who eats of Me, he also shall live because of (Me). This is the Bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate, and died, he who eats this Bread shall live forever." Moses gave them the manna to eat, but now God/ gave the *Son. John 6:31, "Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written "'He/ gave them *Bread out of heaven to eat.'" John 3:12, "If I/ told you earthly things and you do not believe, how shall you believe if I tell you heavenly things? And no one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven, even the (Son) of Man. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; that whoever believes may in Him have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that He/ gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in (Him) should not perish, but have eternal life." Jesus is one with His Father. If the Father knows how to give good gifts, so does the Son. But God is foremost concerned with spiritual things. From the heart, Ray |
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2 | John:30-33 Manna | Josh 16:1 | gracefull | 66973 | ||
Hi Ray, that was my point but you did a much better job of giving the other scriptures. But what are you saying here? "Moses gave them manna to eat," Verse 32 of John 'Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly I say to you, Moses did not give you bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven."' It seems to me Jesus is correcting their thinking in giving Moses credit for the bread as opposed to realizing it came from the Father. Is that what you see? Thanks, |
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3 | John:30-33 Manna | Josh 16:1 | Ray | 66999 | ||
Hi graceful, I think that the passage goes beyond giving God credit for the manna rather than Moses. I think that this is a place where Jesus makes another claim of Deity. Not only is He the Giver, but He is the gift, the Bread. Not only is He the Son of Joseph, He is the Son of God. The people knew that the manna came from heaven and not from Moses. Moses did not give any "wrong impression" as has been said in another thread concerning the striking of the rock for water by Moses. Psalm 78:24, "And (He) rained down manna upon them to eat, And gave them food from heaven. Man did eat the bread of angels; He sent them food [Lit. grain] in abundance." Exodus 16:4, "Then the Lord said to Moses, "Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a day's portion every day, and I may test them, whether or not they will walk in My/ instruction." Exodus 16:32, "Then Moses said, "This is the thing which the Lord/ has commanded, 'Let an omerful of it be kept throughout your generations, that they may see the bread that I fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you out of the land of Egypt.' And Moses said to Aaron, "Take a jar and put an omerful of manna in it, and place it before the (Lord), to be kept throughout your generations." As the Lord commanded Moses, so Aaron placed it before the Testimony, to be kept." See Exodus 25:16, 21 and Exodus 36:13 for the bread of the Presence [NASB], or the showbread, NKJ. Jesus was talking of His presence in the Bread of life. He was spiritualizing the bread and was claiming to be the Bread of life. John 6:33, "For the Bread of God/ is He who comes down out of heaven and gives life to the world." John 6:31, "He/ gave them Bread out of heaven to eat." John 6:48, "I/ am the Bread of life." John 6:42, "And they were saying, "Is this not Jesus/ the *Son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does He now say, "(I) have come down out of heaven?" John 6:46, "Not that any man has seen the (Father), except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father." So in regards to John 6:32, I believe that the Lockman Foundation could look at that more closely and consider that perhaps that gives the wrong impression. The NASB gives the idea that "it is not Moses" but "it is My Father" who gives the bread. But actually it should stress a contrast between the manna and the true Bread. Most assuredly Moses did not give the Bread from heaven; he was just a man and the manna was just food. But Jesus, the Son of Man, gave His flesh as living Bread. See John 6:52, NKJ. John 6:58, "This is the *Bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate, and died, he who eats this Bread shall live forever." So I should not have said "Moses gave them manna to eat" but rather, "the fathers were given manna to eat". From the heart, Ray |
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4 | John:30-33 Manna | Josh 16:1 | Reformer Joe | 67001 | ||
This is one of my favorite chapters in John, and one must be careful not to disconnect Jesus' statements about himself from the miracle He had performed the previous day. One thing that liberal Christianity actually gets right is that Jesus was an excellent teacher. Everything that He said, every action that He took, pointed to Himself. He took the meager lunch of a little boy, and miraculously multiplied it so that over 5000 people had their fill and twelve baskets were left over. Is this just to show His power, or is there more to it than that? The next day, Jesus is confronted by "followers" who want a repeat performance of their satisfying meal. Jesus then sets out his comparison between the bread with which He fad the multitude and the Bread of Life that He is. Just as Jesus took the bread on the mountain, broke it, and distributed it to nourish a great number of people, so His own body would be broken, resulting in spiritual nourishment for countless people throughout history. It is Jesus who will give the "food" that leads to eternal life (John 6:27), and he Himself is the Bread of God, the Bread from Heaven, the Bread of Life. He even says explicitly starting in verse 53 that unless one eats the flesh of the Son and drinks His blood, that one has no life in him. His flesh is true food, and his blood is true drink. We must in faith feed on Jesus Christ to have life eternal. In contrast to the persihable bread from the miracle, and the manna which spoiled at the end of every day, Jesus the Bread of Life will sustain all of his people and "whoever feeds on this Bread will live forever" (v. 58). And, of course, this is not the only time that Jesus likens His flesh to bread. As Jesus said, and as Paul elaborated later in 1 Corinthians 10, the bread that we break at the Lord's table is a participation in the body of Christ, and the cup that we share is a participation in His blood. The benefits of Jesus' divine life are multiplied and distributed to all those who are His, so that a little boy's lunch becomes a picture of Jesus' atoning work on behalf of all who believe. --Joe! |
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