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1 | What can we do to have salvation | NT general Archive 1 | arrow1 | 114318 | ||
Why point out there is no mention of baptism in 1 Cor. 15:1-4, there is also no mention of faith, belief or repentance. But, it does say your saved if you hold firmly to the word. In almost all of Paul's letters, he is speaking to Christians, people that are already saved. It wouldn't make sense to repeat every little detail of their conversion every time he mentions the Gospel. It would make sense to speak of faith because once your saved, you would continue having faith and living faithfully. If repentance were necessary for salvation, wouldn't you also expect to find it stressed whenever the gospel is presented? Your "analogia scriptura" is selective and not consistent. sincerely, arrow1 |
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2 | What can we do to have salvation | NT general Archive 1 | kalos | 114343 | ||
In 1 Cor. 15:1-4, there is no mention of faith or belief? 1 Cor. 15:2 (KJV) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have BELIEVED in vain. (Emphasis added.) When did I ever say repentance was necessary for salvation? "VI. THE CONDITION FOR SALVATION "A. The Condition. Salvation is conditioned solely on faith in Jesus Christ. Nearly 200 times faith, or belief, is stated as the single condition in the N.T. (John 1:12; Acts 16:31). That faith must be placed in Christ as one's substitute for and Saviour from sin. (...) "B. The False Additions to Faith. (...) "2. Baptism. Baptism is the visible testimony to one's salvation, but not a condition for it. Acts 2:38 should be translated, 'Repent and be baptized on the basis of the remission of sins.' Acts 22:16 teaches that baptism followed the arising, just as forgiveness followed the calling on the name of the Lord. The two parts of the verse should be kept distinct. Mark 16:16 is probably not a genuine part of Mark's Gospel" "3. Repentance. This is a valid condition for salvation when understood as a synonym for faith. It is a false addition to faith when understood as a prerequisite, requiring the cleansing of the life in order to be saved." ____________________ (p. 1950, Ryrie Study Bible, Moody Press, 1978). |
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3 | Isn't that what you just said? | NT general Archive 1 | arrow1 | 115285 | ||
If repentance is a synonym for faith then isn't it also a requirement, you believe Acts 2:38 says repent for the forgiveness of sins, so how can it not be a requirement. 2 Corinth. 7:10 and Acts 3:19 seem to say it's required. Also, why can't baptism be a conditon for salvation if viewed as a synonym for faith. Couldn't "saving faith" simply be obeying the command to be "baptized for the forgiveness of sins" ??? |
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4 | Isn't that what you just said? | NT general Archive 1 | ischus | 115335 | ||
Arrow, Hello. Are you saying that faith is always a work done by humans? Is faith not also a gift from God, a fruit of the Spirit? Repentance is turning towards God after one has realized their poorness in spirit, which must be preceded by faith, or else it is in vain. Baptism comes way after all of these, and is a commitment made to God. The scriptures support a very inclusive and interconnectedness between all of these. We are the only ones who try to pick it apart and dichotomize the process. ischus |
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5 | Where does it say that? | NT general Archive 1 | arrow1 | 116296 | ||
ischus, Where does it say faith must precede repentance,(I'm not saying it doesn't, just show me a verse)? where does it say baptism comes "way" after all of these? where does it say baptism is a commitment made to God?, verses please. arrow1 |
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6 | Where does it say that? | NT general Archive 1 | Rowdy | 116309 | ||
I can't think of a verse that actually cites faith as preceding repentance but in the verses below, it's very difficult to imagine inserting repentance between faith and hearing the Word. Rom 10:16 However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?" 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. Again, I can't think of a passage that actually depicts baptism as "a commitment made to God" but I think the verses below do an adequate job of proving the same point. Luke 14, The Cost of Being a Disciple 25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple. 27And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple. 28"Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it? 29For if he lays the foundation and is not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule him, 30saying, 'This fellow began to build and was not able to finish.' 31"Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 32If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. 33In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple. NOTE: No one on the Forum has met my challenge to prove there's any one single all conclusive example of a person being saved in the Bible with every single step clearly defined. I'll agree it's difficult to meet the challenge because it's not there. Thus, we are forced to do some simple reasoning and put together some kind of logical sequence BUT I am certainly open to discussing this topic. We've already discussed the first three steps above: 1) Hear 2) Believe and 3) Repent The only steps left are: 4) confess the name of Jesus as your Lord and Savior in accordance with Rom 10:9-10 and 5) Be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost as cited in Acts 2:38. It's quite possible that confession could precede repentance so you see we're just trying to be thorough just like we have to be when we prepare to make an appearance in court. Again, I really am looking forward to discussing this topic with anyone on the Forum. God bless you all. |
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