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1 | Does our actions help save us | NT general Archive 1 | flinkywood | 114273 | ||
Hank, if once we believed in faith, yet our faith died through worklessness, we are left with 2 choices, it seems: 1) We never really believed unto salvation. 2) We believed but our salvation died. This scripture, "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him." (Acts 5:32) In conjuction with, "You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;" (Jam 2:22) has been bugging me lately. James uses Abraham as an example of faith needing to be progessively proven and perfected, a maturation process (James 2:21-23). Does Paul understand this any differently that James? "So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;" (Phi 2:12) It seems we can lose the gift of life through simple neglect. "how will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?" (Heb 2:3a) Apparently, like Adam, we can fall from the grace given to us, to the degree that the Holy Sprit is denied us (Acts 5:32). Hank, how readest thou? Colin |
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2 | Does our actions help save us | NT general Archive 1 | Hank | 114278 | ||
Colin, my flinkywood friend, it distresses me that you are bugged; and as winter wanes and spring unfolds, the bugs will only get worse, so let's do what we can to get you de-bugged as quickly and as thoroughly as possible :-) ...... Of the two choices that you list, (1) that one never believed unto salvation or (2) that one believed but his salvation died, we can slug half of the bugs by eliminating (2) as a possibility. Here's how: Why would salvation die? From lack of works; that's what the works-salvation guys teach, but Scripture never does. So let's cast Proposition 2 aside and consider Proposition 1. But the best I can hope to do in a single post is to present a definition of the doctrine of the eternal security of the believer and leave you with a series of passages to examine. First, a concise definition of the doctrine of the eternal security of the believer: The view that genuinely regenerate believers are divinely secure in their salvation and thus will never lose it. This is very similiar to the doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints, viz., the view that genuine believers will continue in the faith until the end. ....One can't hope to do the doctrine justice, not even synoptically, in a post or two, because it is, as I'm sure you are keenly aware, a complex topic on which scores of thick books have been written. Before I list the biblical passages, let me ask whether you'd like me to take an exegetical stab at the verses you listed in your inquiry. If you would, I'll be happy to try. ...... Here, Colin, are the passages. If you would like, look them over and then let's talk about those bugs some more before spring gets here! (These passages have generally to do with salvation and security, and many of them are probably familiar to you already, but I sincerely hope they will add to your insight. John 5:24; 6:37-40; 10:27-30; Rom.5:9,10; 8:1; 8;31-39; 1 Cor. 1:4-9; Eph. 4:30; Heb.7:25; 13:5; 1 Pet.1:4,5; Jude 24; John 1:12; Eph.1:4-7; 2:8-10; 1 Pet.1:18,19. There's more if you want them! --Hank | ||||||
3 | Does our actions help save us | NT general Archive 1 | flinkywood | 114279 | ||
Hank, to die, to sleep, perchance to dream, Ay! there's the bug! I'll ponder these verses and return ere long. Learingly thine, http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/05/theater/reviews/05LEAR.html Colin |
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