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1 | Do Jesus and Paul agree on salv by faith | NT general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 81205 | ||
"Works of grace in Christ are another kind of work altogether." I see. Is this tied into why you think (as far as I can tell) that circumcision and Levitical sacrifice were not means of grace? --Joe! |
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2 | Do Jesus and Paul agree on salv by faith | NT general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 81212 | ||
Joe, ""Works of grace in Christ are another kind of work altogether."" "I see. Is this tied into why you think (as far as I can tell) that circumcision and Levitical sacrifice were not means of grace?" Actually works of grace in Christ come only after justification are not not always or necesarily sacraments, which we were discussing before but not here. In response to your question, what kind of grace are you asking about and what does Hebrews say about those sacrifices? Emmaus |
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3 | Do Jesus and Paul agree on salv by faith | NT general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 81214 | ||
"In response to your question, what kind of grace are you asking about and what does Hebrews say about those sacrifices?" I was just trying to get a better fix on your view of what the OT rituals accomplished. I know that no one was justified by the sacrifices, but I as a Reformed Protestant also hold that one is not justified by baptism. Since the "works of the law" refer at least to these two practices, I was just wondering how they tie in, in your understanding. Do Catholics hold that grace (any kind) was conferred in the OT sacrifices for the believer? If so, what is the nature of that grace. Thanks! --Joe! |
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4 | Do Jesus and Paul agree on salv by faith | NT general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 81219 | ||
Joe, "Do Catholics hold that grace (any kind) was conferred in the OT sacrifices for the believer? If so, what is the nature of that grace. Thanks!" Yours is a good question. I can't give an authoritative answer except to say in agreement with you that they (the Old Testament sacrifices) did not justify. Beyond that I would not venture with any certainty. The blood on the door posts and lintels at Passover certainly effected a temporal salvation at the very least and the other sacrifices may have confered some kind of grace, but not justifying grace. And of course you know that I believe Baptism ( "by water and the Holy Spirit")not plain ole "water baptism" that so many here like to disect from the Holy Spirit, does confer justifying and sanctifying grace because it is Christ who baptizes in the sacrament and it is into His death and resurrection that we are baptised. But that difference between us is a given as we all know. Emmaus |
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5 | Do Jesus and Paul agree on salv by faith | NT general Archive 1 | reilly1041 | 81222 | ||
I love you guys and your discussions! The mutual respect is so utterly refreshing. Stephanie |
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6 | Do Jesus and Paul agree on salv by faith | NT general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 81223 | ||
Thank you Stephanie, I certainly find that a healthy mutual respect is helpful if one hopes to generate more light than heat in these discussions. Good night. Emmaus |
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